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Chotiner, in the photo, looks strangely like Nixon. He has the famous Nixon ski jump nose. — Mattisse ( Talk) 03:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the lead needs work. It is too obscure for a general reader. There is the assumption that the reader knows about Nixon's history of campaigns and his controversial presidency and nuances of American politics of the middle of the last century, the significance of a "pink sheet" etc. Also, there is nothing in the lead to interest the reader about Chotiner. It sounds like he held several dull political jobs. Your infer that he was involved in designing Nixon's controversial campaigns tarring his opponents as Communists. But you cannot expect the general reader to understand the significance of this, in a world where the most famous "Communist" is Fidel Castro. "Political operative" is rather technical for the general reader. This is my opinion, of course, and I could be wrong. — Mattisse ( Talk) 00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Nixon may have "decisively" squelched rumors of "a private fund to pay Nixon's political expenses", but that is not what the speech is now in the collective memory. In the end, Nixon was ridiculed for his maudlin presentation. Today I don't think that speech is admired. Rather, it is considered another example of the worst side of feel-sorry-for-me Nixon. I was under the impression that it was a misstep. The "Republican cloth coat" became a joke. — Mattisse ( Talk) 23:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You wikilink Democrat in the lede, but you never mention that Chotiner or Nixon are Republicans and don't wikilink to Republican when you do refer to it later in the article body. For non Americans, this article will be difficult. — Mattisse ( Talk) 20:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any way of phrasing the lede mention of Chotiner's 1969 appointment to the government position in the active voice. He was not technically a Presidential appointment, according to the NY Times, he was appointed by Acting Trade Representative Gates, whose permanent replacement was announced the same day. I have expanded the language in the lede to make it clear it was a political appointment. I think that is about the best we can do.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 15:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I gave you the benefit of the doubt in promoting this nomination, since there was a slight disagreement between our image reviewers on whether their issue was actionable under WIAFA. Auburnpilot's big search also played a role in that, as did the pledge to continue looking at offline sources for a free image. I hope that you will continue that search and find a replacement image soon. The article was overall well-done; I enjoyed reading it. Karanacs ( talk) 16:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Is anybody else having problems reading the dashes in the headings, e.g. "Rise of Richard Nixon (1946–1952)" Maybe it's just my browser, settings. Smallbones ( talk) 22:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
This article talks very little about others involved in the Nixon-for-Senate campaign including Bernard Brennan working with Chotiner in SoCal, and the team of John Dinkelspiel and Harvey Hancock in NorCal. There was a guy covering Central California out of Fresno, too—his name is on the bottom of the pink sheet but I can't read it, nor can I judge how important his contribution was. All the sources I have seen divide the campaign in two, with Hancock and Dinkelspiel getting some direction from Chotiner but acting independently, especially in terms of the pink sheet. The NorCal guys looked at Nixon's voting record as compared to Marcantonio's and Gahagan's and found it nearly identical, so they thought the pink sheet an indefensibly weak attack, and kept it out of their jurisdiction. Binksternet ( talk) 20:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
From reading the lead, I gathered that Chotiner was significant because he was a brilliant campaign strategist. Yet I skimmed the article, and found no mention of any of his brilliant strategies or what him so successful. I think this article should have a goal in mind in highlighting his significance and emphasizing his accomplishments. Include stories and examples of his brilliant strategies. Mac520 ( talk) 06:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Wehwalt for his effort to write this amazing article. -- Jarodalien ( talk) 08:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
The source for the statement that "Chotiner's Law has held true in every presidential election since his death" is a NYT article from 1992. Several elections have taken place since its publication and I remember that Barack Obama won in 2008 despite having been seriously challenged in the Democratic primary election by Hillary Clinton. The words "every election" should at least be replaced by the word "most elections". -- Edelseider ( talk) 19:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC) See also this article: Will Chotiner's Law Work in 2008?. -- Edelseider ( talk) 19:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
March 18, 2009. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in 1952, after giving the
Checkers Speech,
Richard Nixon dictated a
telegram resigning as
Eisenhower's running mate, but his campaign manager
Murray Chotiner ripped it up unsent? |
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Chotiner, in the photo, looks strangely like Nixon. He has the famous Nixon ski jump nose. — Mattisse ( Talk) 03:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the lead needs work. It is too obscure for a general reader. There is the assumption that the reader knows about Nixon's history of campaigns and his controversial presidency and nuances of American politics of the middle of the last century, the significance of a "pink sheet" etc. Also, there is nothing in the lead to interest the reader about Chotiner. It sounds like he held several dull political jobs. Your infer that he was involved in designing Nixon's controversial campaigns tarring his opponents as Communists. But you cannot expect the general reader to understand the significance of this, in a world where the most famous "Communist" is Fidel Castro. "Political operative" is rather technical for the general reader. This is my opinion, of course, and I could be wrong. — Mattisse ( Talk) 00:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Nixon may have "decisively" squelched rumors of "a private fund to pay Nixon's political expenses", but that is not what the speech is now in the collective memory. In the end, Nixon was ridiculed for his maudlin presentation. Today I don't think that speech is admired. Rather, it is considered another example of the worst side of feel-sorry-for-me Nixon. I was under the impression that it was a misstep. The "Republican cloth coat" became a joke. — Mattisse ( Talk) 23:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
You wikilink Democrat in the lede, but you never mention that Chotiner or Nixon are Republicans and don't wikilink to Republican when you do refer to it later in the article body. For non Americans, this article will be difficult. — Mattisse ( Talk) 20:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any way of phrasing the lede mention of Chotiner's 1969 appointment to the government position in the active voice. He was not technically a Presidential appointment, according to the NY Times, he was appointed by Acting Trade Representative Gates, whose permanent replacement was announced the same day. I have expanded the language in the lede to make it clear it was a political appointment. I think that is about the best we can do.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 15:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I gave you the benefit of the doubt in promoting this nomination, since there was a slight disagreement between our image reviewers on whether their issue was actionable under WIAFA. Auburnpilot's big search also played a role in that, as did the pledge to continue looking at offline sources for a free image. I hope that you will continue that search and find a replacement image soon. The article was overall well-done; I enjoyed reading it. Karanacs ( talk) 16:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Is anybody else having problems reading the dashes in the headings, e.g. "Rise of Richard Nixon (1946–1952)" Maybe it's just my browser, settings. Smallbones ( talk) 22:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
This article talks very little about others involved in the Nixon-for-Senate campaign including Bernard Brennan working with Chotiner in SoCal, and the team of John Dinkelspiel and Harvey Hancock in NorCal. There was a guy covering Central California out of Fresno, too—his name is on the bottom of the pink sheet but I can't read it, nor can I judge how important his contribution was. All the sources I have seen divide the campaign in two, with Hancock and Dinkelspiel getting some direction from Chotiner but acting independently, especially in terms of the pink sheet. The NorCal guys looked at Nixon's voting record as compared to Marcantonio's and Gahagan's and found it nearly identical, so they thought the pink sheet an indefensibly weak attack, and kept it out of their jurisdiction. Binksternet ( talk) 20:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
From reading the lead, I gathered that Chotiner was significant because he was a brilliant campaign strategist. Yet I skimmed the article, and found no mention of any of his brilliant strategies or what him so successful. I think this article should have a goal in mind in highlighting his significance and emphasizing his accomplishments. Include stories and examples of his brilliant strategies. Mac520 ( talk) 06:27, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Wehwalt for his effort to write this amazing article. -- Jarodalien ( talk) 08:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
The source for the statement that "Chotiner's Law has held true in every presidential election since his death" is a NYT article from 1992. Several elections have taken place since its publication and I remember that Barack Obama won in 2008 despite having been seriously challenged in the Democratic primary election by Hillary Clinton. The words "every election" should at least be replaced by the word "most elections". -- Edelseider ( talk) 19:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC) See also this article: Will Chotiner's Law Work in 2008?. -- Edelseider ( talk) 19:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)