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90% of this article is about the investigation and Scott Peterson's trial. Most of it should be merged into Scott Peterson and reconciled with the existing material there to maintain consistency. However, this article should be maintained as a separate entry, but with a very terse summary after the day of her disappearance. -- Tysto 17:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article needs to summarize the case of her death, rather than go into her biography. Kingturtle 21:42 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)
Has there been a trial yet? Kingturtle 04:02, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why is there an article on Laci but not Scott Peterson? Shouldn't the latter be the focus (as he is a purported multiple murderer) rather than the former (whose only claim to fame is that she died), and therefore Scott should have an article to himself? ugen64 20:33, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
A quite long article for nothing really important? And is " unborn child" really NPOV? -- till we *) 18:16, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Peterson Double Murder - would be what I would name it.-- Lazarias 21:39, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
for one dollar? can someone check this edit out? name of dealership? Christopher Mahan 01:41, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The dealer's name is Doug Roberts and the used car dealership's name is Roberts Auto Sales and is on McHenry Avenue in Modesto, CA. Xanxz
THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY BELIEVES IN SCOTT'S INNOCENCE - WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE
The massive rewrite by 69.161.222.82 of Jan 24, 2005, needs to be edited for NPOV and other reasons. I would, however, like to avoid the urge to blanket revert the edits. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 17:34, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
-It's not our job to post POV on how we feel a trail has gone good or bad, or find perceived errors in the trail and write about them. It's our job to post the facts in what happened during the 'Laci episode'. And leave it at that. Post all you want in this talk section, thats what its for but not in the article. --Anonymous
-She looks like Rachael Ray?? Not at all. This is an opinion. Please omit opinions. --peptidemel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.104.147.200 ( talk) 14:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
There are a number of significant errors of fact in this article. -- A Voice of Sanity 03:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The image added to the article comes from www.lacipeterson.com. It's not perfect, thus it is probably met for WP:CSD due to the lack of confirmed copyright status. Unless the copyrighted work is found, please don't add any image to the article. Thank you. Adnghiem501 00:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Why would we merge Sharon Rocha (who is actually named after Almond Rocha) into the Laci Peterson article? Just because she is her mother? I motion that we also merge George H.W. Bush into the George W. Bush article, because that is his father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.180.50 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 27 February 2006
I think the article here in question just needs to be about Laci, not Scott. There's too much here about the trial and not enough about Laci's life and all that. Plus, I think Sharon Rocha deserves her own article, too. She did write a book, after all. MammaMia 5:16 May 16 2006 (UTC)
Okay, a lot of the information that was here did not accurately cite sources or quotes, so I did some of that. I also cleaned up some grammar, some flow issues, a LOT--but not all--of the prose that was blatantly plagiarized from other websites, and added/reduced some of the details to make it read easier. Also added information on how Sharon Rocha eventually collected Laci's insurance money, not Scott. If I screwed anything up royally, I apologize...I just tried to look at the article from the POV of someone who knew very little about the case, and edit/restructure accordingly. LBoogey 04:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)LBoogey
I'm from Modesto and paid attention to the story, but never heard this. The references are confusing. Is this true or should it have a specific reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.56.134 ( talk) 16:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(criminal_acts)#Victims
Person does not qualify. However, deleting this article would not be good. As a compromise, rename it "Murder of Laci Peterson" Acme Plumbing ( talk) 05:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed 2 paragraphs alleging "Satan" to be involved in Peterson's death per WP:SOAPBOX. This is an encyclopedia, not an opportunity to address WP: GREATWRONGS. Additionally, I've removed links to articles to other murdered women who have nothing to do with the Murder of Laci Peterson per WP:OFFTOPIC and WP:ALSO.
Please don't restore either of these without discussion and consensus. Toddst1 ( talk) 21:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that makes her notable is her murder and the ensuing media circus. There's no reason to include information such as
"Sharon Rocha moved to San Jose in 1977, but felt that the city was too large for her. She soon moved back to Modesto. Upon her return to Modesto, her cousin Gwen Kemple introduced her to Ron Grantski. A year and half later, Grantski and Rocha moved into a three-bedroom home with Brent Rocha and Laci Peterson. They never married."
"At Cal Poly, Laci Rocha majored in ornamental horticulture. Her desire was to one day open a specialty plant shop."
"Sharon Rocha feared that Gain would have a negative effect on her daughter's ambitious attitude toward school, but this did not strain the relationship between Gain and Laci. In fact, the two lived together in Laci's new home in Morro Bay, a small town north of Cal Poly."
All of the information in the biography can be condensed into about a paragraph. The sources for this information would be better used to illustrate examples of excessive media coverage and missing white woman syndrome rather than giving the reader every gruesomely mundane detail that has ever been reported by any media source.
Recommendations: a) Trim the biography down to one paragraph. b) Create a section on the quantity and specifics of media coverage. c) merge/delete the 'suspect' part of the article with Scott Peterson, with the exception of the delightfully tasteful few sentences on "finding the body".
I will do this in the next few days. If anyone has any concerns or ideas for a major revamp of the article, let me know and we can collaborate. Detruncate 04:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
If the details are available, why not give out more information, people want to know! We are not a paper encyclopedia so as long as its verifiable and has nothing to do with the womans toe nail length or somthing that stupid, lets keep it here.Cholga talK! 19:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I intended to point out the same problem: There is simply too much information that is not encyclopedic or lacks in relevance. This is an encyclopedic entry on a murder, not a TV feature intended to make the readers teary, entertained, or personally invested. Stick to the facts, the relevant facts, and nothing but the facts. 88.77.140.207 ( talk) 03:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Why do we need to know that her purse was a Louis Vuitton, including helpful and educational linkage for those not automatically designer-savvy? Seems silly. 198.53.208.147 ( talk) 11:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The article states that Scott returned home from either fishing or golfing. We state this as a fact, but the only source for that information is Scott and he is unreliable. We need to re-write that. 216.153.214.89 ( talk) 03:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
All police officers reported that Scott said he was boating/fishing (he insisted he was testing the boat). Three other persons claimed he told them he was golfing, but their reliability is in doubt.
All of Scott's statements proved to be true except those to and about Amber Frey, so his reliability is perfectly fine. -- A Voice of Sanity 04:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by A Voice of Sanity ( talk • contribs)
There has been intermittent discussion on the talk pages of both articles about the merging of this with Scott Peterson. Much of the material is duplicated, much of the material on this particular page is extraneous biographical detail. I therefore propose that they be merged. (In practical terms it would probably be easiest to merge this into Scott Peterson and then move that article to this title, as the Scott Peterson article is better written and contains more relevant content). pablo 13:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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The ABCNews article, written 15 years after the fact, simply refers in passing to "the day he reported his wife missing". The way it's cited here and also at the Scott Peterson article makes it sounds like there is some dispute as to who first contacted police. That doesn't appear to be the case; Scott called Laci's mother, and then Laci's stepfather reported her missing to police. The ABC author most likely didn't give that point much thought; again, this was written 15 years later. DefThree ( talk) 01:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I've attempted to incorporate the content at Scott Peterson with this article, in light of both the merger discussion there and prior discussions here. I had flagged this proposed merger on this page and Scott's page.
Reasoning:
I'm still working on smoothing out the merger—thus far, I've been focusing on ensuring that there are no duplicate references or inconsistently defined references. I've also tried to make sure that the Scott Peterson article—which most commonly (though not always) referred to Scott as "Peterson"—has been updated to match the most common usage within this article—referring to him as "Scott".-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
The tag in the media-depictions section is appropriate, as the tag indicates, @ Nightscream. If you click on the link provided in the tag, you'll note a few things—in bold and large text, including: "Examples should be meaningful in the context of the article, explained in the prose and cited to reliable sources". You might also notice that the examples in the section are in list form, there's almost no discussion of the relevance or significance of those depictions, and several of the depictions are self-cited (see, e.g., the E! episode).-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
I feel like the name of her husband's non-notable lover really provides no information to the reader. I'd like to reword to eliminate this. Valereee ( talk) 16:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Tangentially related to this discussion, @ Nightscream: and @ Valereee:, I have removed the name of Juror No. 7 from the discussion of Scott Peterson's habeas petition. I don't see evidence that the juror sought out publicity, and, while reliable sources had published her name, I don't think her name is particularly relevant to this article (the decision even called her "Juror No. 7").-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nightscream :
Laci worked on the farm from a young age, and also enjoyed gardening with her mother, an activity from which she developed an appreciation for plant life that influenced her later life.That is a two-item list. At bottom, it's the equivalent of "he bought apples and bananas." No comma should be before the "and". The fact that there are two verbs doesn't change that: "She liked apples and loved pears." Nor does the inclusion of "also": "He ran track and also swam laps."
-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 19:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nightscream—if you do this again, we're going to have to head to WP:ANI. If you disagree with a particular edit, you can undo that particular edit. You cannot perform a massive revert because you find it more convenient. I'm not even sure what your edit summary refers to, since the quoted language you provide—"told Mell"—wasn't in the article when you made your edit.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 18:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I wanted to create this section in case there was any controversy over the edits I just performed. Most, I imagine, will be non-controversial, but if anyone finds themselves disagreeing, feel free to revert those specific edits and note so here!-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi User:Nightscream—just wanted to flag this diff [3]. I do think there is a problem with that intro as written: It's actually a bit distinct from the source because of the context—unlike the source, it's including that language in a section called "Investigation". If you introduce detectives in an investigation section, and then later say "Scott initially said he went golfing, but he later told police that he went fishing" ... I think the natural conclusion is that he first told the detectives he went golfing. (Also worth pointing out that that source only touches on this issue extremely briefly—there are much more detailed sources out there.) Either way, instead of entirely moving the intro, as I had, I modified it just slightly to ensure there was no ambiguity.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Okay. In what way do you feel the Evidence section can/should be expanded? Nightscream ( talk) 18:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Peterson had said that on the morning the prosecution says he killed Laci, she was watching Stewart talk about meringue. The Modesto, Calif., police department claimed no meringue was mentioned on Stewart's show that morning. But Peterson attorney Mark Geragos, in his opening statement, played the tape and showed otherwise." It surprised me to find an entire blurb dedicated to this one issue, because, to that point, I didn't see Martha Stewart mentioned in the article. And when I searched for Scott Peterson and Martha Stewart ... I found other reliable secondary sources (and, admittedly, a bunch of non-reliable ones) that mentioned this event. See this CNN article, for example, which covers it about halfway down, or this Fox News article, which called it a "huge problem" for the prosecution. (As a completely tangential note .. I work in law, and I don't understand why an attorney was allowed to present evidence during an opening statement? Oh well.)
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Hello! We are in a debate over phrasing. The sentence in question:
I do not deny that there is a reliable source that uses that wording, almost to the tee. But, after editing this article for some time, I objected to this passage. Importantly, from my perspective, the passage is in the "Investigation" section and comes after conversations between the police and Scott Peterson are described. When I first read the passage, I assumed that Scott had told police he had gone golfing, and then changed his story. But because I thought the phrasing was a little odd—the direct object not being listed in the first part of the sentence, I went to the source and checked. So, here's where the source comes in. First, the source is a San Francisco Mercury piece covering a 2019 moratorium on death sentences announced by California governor. It provides short background on of three persons who were then on death row. The first two subjects get one paragraph each, and, then, Scott Peterson's story is listed. It's given 4 short paragraphs. The supporting text in question says, " I searched the subject a bit more and found that the paper was most likely referring to testimony given at Scott's trial by two neighbors and a relative of Laci's, who all said they had heard Scott tell them he had gone golfing the day Laci went missing. I could not find a single source that said Scott told the police he went golfing, and, in fact, I found one that said just the opposite—that Scott had always told police he went fishing. As such, I added the details of those conversations, above the investigation section, and changed the intro to just what Scott told the police. User:Nightscream reverted me as to the paragraph in question. To try to reach some compromise, I kept the start of the intro but added that Scott had told "others" that he had gone fishing. I attributed the first half of the intro to the source I had discovered describing Scott's conversation with the relative/neighbor. But Nightscream reverted me again, since that detail was not in the San Francisco Mercury piece.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC) |
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90% of this article is about the investigation and Scott Peterson's trial. Most of it should be merged into Scott Peterson and reconciled with the existing material there to maintain consistency. However, this article should be maintained as a separate entry, but with a very terse summary after the day of her disappearance. -- Tysto 17:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article needs to summarize the case of her death, rather than go into her biography. Kingturtle 21:42 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)
Has there been a trial yet? Kingturtle 04:02, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why is there an article on Laci but not Scott Peterson? Shouldn't the latter be the focus (as he is a purported multiple murderer) rather than the former (whose only claim to fame is that she died), and therefore Scott should have an article to himself? ugen64 20:33, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
A quite long article for nothing really important? And is " unborn child" really NPOV? -- till we *) 18:16, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Peterson Double Murder - would be what I would name it.-- Lazarias 21:39, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
for one dollar? can someone check this edit out? name of dealership? Christopher Mahan 01:41, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The dealer's name is Doug Roberts and the used car dealership's name is Roberts Auto Sales and is on McHenry Avenue in Modesto, CA. Xanxz
THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY BELIEVES IN SCOTT'S INNOCENCE - WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE
The massive rewrite by 69.161.222.82 of Jan 24, 2005, needs to be edited for NPOV and other reasons. I would, however, like to avoid the urge to blanket revert the edits. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 17:34, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
-It's not our job to post POV on how we feel a trail has gone good or bad, or find perceived errors in the trail and write about them. It's our job to post the facts in what happened during the 'Laci episode'. And leave it at that. Post all you want in this talk section, thats what its for but not in the article. --Anonymous
-She looks like Rachael Ray?? Not at all. This is an opinion. Please omit opinions. --peptidemel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.104.147.200 ( talk) 14:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
There are a number of significant errors of fact in this article. -- A Voice of Sanity 03:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The image added to the article comes from www.lacipeterson.com. It's not perfect, thus it is probably met for WP:CSD due to the lack of confirmed copyright status. Unless the copyrighted work is found, please don't add any image to the article. Thank you. Adnghiem501 00:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Why would we merge Sharon Rocha (who is actually named after Almond Rocha) into the Laci Peterson article? Just because she is her mother? I motion that we also merge George H.W. Bush into the George W. Bush article, because that is his father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.180.50 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 27 February 2006
I think the article here in question just needs to be about Laci, not Scott. There's too much here about the trial and not enough about Laci's life and all that. Plus, I think Sharon Rocha deserves her own article, too. She did write a book, after all. MammaMia 5:16 May 16 2006 (UTC)
Okay, a lot of the information that was here did not accurately cite sources or quotes, so I did some of that. I also cleaned up some grammar, some flow issues, a LOT--but not all--of the prose that was blatantly plagiarized from other websites, and added/reduced some of the details to make it read easier. Also added information on how Sharon Rocha eventually collected Laci's insurance money, not Scott. If I screwed anything up royally, I apologize...I just tried to look at the article from the POV of someone who knew very little about the case, and edit/restructure accordingly. LBoogey 04:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)LBoogey
I'm from Modesto and paid attention to the story, but never heard this. The references are confusing. Is this true or should it have a specific reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.56.134 ( talk) 16:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(criminal_acts)#Victims
Person does not qualify. However, deleting this article would not be good. As a compromise, rename it "Murder of Laci Peterson" Acme Plumbing ( talk) 05:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed 2 paragraphs alleging "Satan" to be involved in Peterson's death per WP:SOAPBOX. This is an encyclopedia, not an opportunity to address WP: GREATWRONGS. Additionally, I've removed links to articles to other murdered women who have nothing to do with the Murder of Laci Peterson per WP:OFFTOPIC and WP:ALSO.
Please don't restore either of these without discussion and consensus. Toddst1 ( talk) 21:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that makes her notable is her murder and the ensuing media circus. There's no reason to include information such as
"Sharon Rocha moved to San Jose in 1977, but felt that the city was too large for her. She soon moved back to Modesto. Upon her return to Modesto, her cousin Gwen Kemple introduced her to Ron Grantski. A year and half later, Grantski and Rocha moved into a three-bedroom home with Brent Rocha and Laci Peterson. They never married."
"At Cal Poly, Laci Rocha majored in ornamental horticulture. Her desire was to one day open a specialty plant shop."
"Sharon Rocha feared that Gain would have a negative effect on her daughter's ambitious attitude toward school, but this did not strain the relationship between Gain and Laci. In fact, the two lived together in Laci's new home in Morro Bay, a small town north of Cal Poly."
All of the information in the biography can be condensed into about a paragraph. The sources for this information would be better used to illustrate examples of excessive media coverage and missing white woman syndrome rather than giving the reader every gruesomely mundane detail that has ever been reported by any media source.
Recommendations: a) Trim the biography down to one paragraph. b) Create a section on the quantity and specifics of media coverage. c) merge/delete the 'suspect' part of the article with Scott Peterson, with the exception of the delightfully tasteful few sentences on "finding the body".
I will do this in the next few days. If anyone has any concerns or ideas for a major revamp of the article, let me know and we can collaborate. Detruncate 04:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
If the details are available, why not give out more information, people want to know! We are not a paper encyclopedia so as long as its verifiable and has nothing to do with the womans toe nail length or somthing that stupid, lets keep it here.Cholga talK! 19:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I intended to point out the same problem: There is simply too much information that is not encyclopedic or lacks in relevance. This is an encyclopedic entry on a murder, not a TV feature intended to make the readers teary, entertained, or personally invested. Stick to the facts, the relevant facts, and nothing but the facts. 88.77.140.207 ( talk) 03:45, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Why do we need to know that her purse was a Louis Vuitton, including helpful and educational linkage for those not automatically designer-savvy? Seems silly. 198.53.208.147 ( talk) 11:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The article states that Scott returned home from either fishing or golfing. We state this as a fact, but the only source for that information is Scott and he is unreliable. We need to re-write that. 216.153.214.89 ( talk) 03:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
All police officers reported that Scott said he was boating/fishing (he insisted he was testing the boat). Three other persons claimed he told them he was golfing, but their reliability is in doubt.
All of Scott's statements proved to be true except those to and about Amber Frey, so his reliability is perfectly fine. -- A Voice of Sanity 04:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by A Voice of Sanity ( talk • contribs)
There has been intermittent discussion on the talk pages of both articles about the merging of this with Scott Peterson. Much of the material is duplicated, much of the material on this particular page is extraneous biographical detail. I therefore propose that they be merged. (In practical terms it would probably be easiest to merge this into Scott Peterson and then move that article to this title, as the Scott Peterson article is better written and contains more relevant content). pablo 13:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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The ABCNews article, written 15 years after the fact, simply refers in passing to "the day he reported his wife missing". The way it's cited here and also at the Scott Peterson article makes it sounds like there is some dispute as to who first contacted police. That doesn't appear to be the case; Scott called Laci's mother, and then Laci's stepfather reported her missing to police. The ABC author most likely didn't give that point much thought; again, this was written 15 years later. DefThree ( talk) 01:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I've attempted to incorporate the content at Scott Peterson with this article, in light of both the merger discussion there and prior discussions here. I had flagged this proposed merger on this page and Scott's page.
Reasoning:
I'm still working on smoothing out the merger—thus far, I've been focusing on ensuring that there are no duplicate references or inconsistently defined references. I've also tried to make sure that the Scott Peterson article—which most commonly (though not always) referred to Scott as "Peterson"—has been updated to match the most common usage within this article—referring to him as "Scott".-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:01, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
The tag in the media-depictions section is appropriate, as the tag indicates, @ Nightscream. If you click on the link provided in the tag, you'll note a few things—in bold and large text, including: "Examples should be meaningful in the context of the article, explained in the prose and cited to reliable sources". You might also notice that the examples in the section are in list form, there's almost no discussion of the relevance or significance of those depictions, and several of the depictions are self-cited (see, e.g., the E! episode).-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
I feel like the name of her husband's non-notable lover really provides no information to the reader. I'd like to reword to eliminate this. Valereee ( talk) 16:23, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Tangentially related to this discussion, @ Nightscream: and @ Valereee:, I have removed the name of Juror No. 7 from the discussion of Scott Peterson's habeas petition. I don't see evidence that the juror sought out publicity, and, while reliable sources had published her name, I don't think her name is particularly relevant to this article (the decision even called her "Juror No. 7").-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nightscream :
Laci worked on the farm from a young age, and also enjoyed gardening with her mother, an activity from which she developed an appreciation for plant life that influenced her later life.That is a two-item list. At bottom, it's the equivalent of "he bought apples and bananas." No comma should be before the "and". The fact that there are two verbs doesn't change that: "She liked apples and loved pears." Nor does the inclusion of "also": "He ran track and also swam laps."
-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 19:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nightscream—if you do this again, we're going to have to head to WP:ANI. If you disagree with a particular edit, you can undo that particular edit. You cannot perform a massive revert because you find it more convenient. I'm not even sure what your edit summary refers to, since the quoted language you provide—"told Mell"—wasn't in the article when you made your edit.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 18:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I wanted to create this section in case there was any controversy over the edits I just performed. Most, I imagine, will be non-controversial, but if anyone finds themselves disagreeing, feel free to revert those specific edits and note so here!-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 15:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi User:Nightscream—just wanted to flag this diff [3]. I do think there is a problem with that intro as written: It's actually a bit distinct from the source because of the context—unlike the source, it's including that language in a section called "Investigation". If you introduce detectives in an investigation section, and then later say "Scott initially said he went golfing, but he later told police that he went fishing" ... I think the natural conclusion is that he first told the detectives he went golfing. (Also worth pointing out that that source only touches on this issue extremely briefly—there are much more detailed sources out there.) Either way, instead of entirely moving the intro, as I had, I modified it just slightly to ensure there was no ambiguity.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Okay. In what way do you feel the Evidence section can/should be expanded? Nightscream ( talk) 18:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Peterson had said that on the morning the prosecution says he killed Laci, she was watching Stewart talk about meringue. The Modesto, Calif., police department claimed no meringue was mentioned on Stewart's show that morning. But Peterson attorney Mark Geragos, in his opening statement, played the tape and showed otherwise." It surprised me to find an entire blurb dedicated to this one issue, because, to that point, I didn't see Martha Stewart mentioned in the article. And when I searched for Scott Peterson and Martha Stewart ... I found other reliable secondary sources (and, admittedly, a bunch of non-reliable ones) that mentioned this event. See this CNN article, for example, which covers it about halfway down, or this Fox News article, which called it a "huge problem" for the prosecution. (As a completely tangential note .. I work in law, and I don't understand why an attorney was allowed to present evidence during an opening statement? Oh well.)
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Hello! We are in a debate over phrasing. The sentence in question:
I do not deny that there is a reliable source that uses that wording, almost to the tee. But, after editing this article for some time, I objected to this passage. Importantly, from my perspective, the passage is in the "Investigation" section and comes after conversations between the police and Scott Peterson are described. When I first read the passage, I assumed that Scott had told police he had gone golfing, and then changed his story. But because I thought the phrasing was a little odd—the direct object not being listed in the first part of the sentence, I went to the source and checked. So, here's where the source comes in. First, the source is a San Francisco Mercury piece covering a 2019 moratorium on death sentences announced by California governor. It provides short background on of three persons who were then on death row. The first two subjects get one paragraph each, and, then, Scott Peterson's story is listed. It's given 4 short paragraphs. The supporting text in question says, " I searched the subject a bit more and found that the paper was most likely referring to testimony given at Scott's trial by two neighbors and a relative of Laci's, who all said they had heard Scott tell them he had gone golfing the day Laci went missing. I could not find a single source that said Scott told the police he went golfing, and, in fact, I found one that said just the opposite—that Scott had always told police he went fishing. As such, I added the details of those conversations, above the investigation section, and changed the intro to just what Scott told the police. User:Nightscream reverted me as to the paragraph in question. To try to reach some compromise, I kept the start of the intro but added that Scott had told "others" that he had gone fishing. I attributed the first half of the intro to the source I had discovered describing Scott's conversation with the relative/neighbor. But Nightscream reverted me again, since that detail was not in the San Francisco Mercury piece.-- Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 14:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC) |