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The result of the move request was: page moved. Canoe1967 ( talk) 05:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Murder of Jill Meagher → Death of Jill Meagher – Current title is not neutral per WP:NDESC. The current title implies the accused is guilty of murder which is a breach of WP:BLP. Hack ( talk) 12:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
If the current accused is found not guilty, does that mean she was not murdered? Surely an unsolved murder is still a murder. If that is not the case, do you need the verdict of a coronial inquest to say a person was murdered by an unknown person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.2.209 ( talk) 00:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
It is the most offensive suggestion I have read in years to remove this. Have you no respect? How many people marched in the street where she was abuducted to show their disgust at such an innocent person being taken from this life to soon and in such a terrible way. Considering the number of no-name reserve grade footballers that can be found on wikipedia it's utterly obscene. Whoever the grub is that suggested it I would question their motives. The fact ninemsn had it as a lead story also suggest how out of touch this clown must be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.186.215 ( talk) 06:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Could editors brought here by the article in The Age newspaper please note that this is not the correct place for comments on whether the article should be deleted or not. Such comments belong in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Jill Meagher.
But also note that that discussion is currently in the process of being closed. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: stale discussion. See newer move request below for the discussion that resulted in the moving of this page. Dekimasu よ! 01:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I would question the validity of the comment that social media such as Facebook and Twitter "played a significant role in bringing the case to prominence and in helping with the police investigation."
It is certainly true that both had a significant role in bringing the case to prominence but it could be equally said that hate pages and careless or uninformed comments stood to put the trail of Ms Meagher's killer at serious risk. In the highly charged atmosphere of the weeks which followed Bayley's arrest, many were keen to expose what they believed (rightly or wrongly) to be evidence of his prior offences. On that basis, the likelihood of finding an impartial jury would be extremely remote and the possibility of him receiving a fair trial would be very low.
On that basis, there is no way that social media could have helped police with their investigation. Had the detectives not been able to swoop so quickly, social media might have played a bigger role but as it was, it had little or no relevance to the investigation. Flanker235 ( talk) 10:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It has become obvious that an IP and SPA editor is in violation of Wikipedia's guidelines regarding attempting "ownership" of articles as described at WP:OWN. This is not acceptable, especially as the IP's edits are frequently inadequate and require correction or improvement. It would be good if other editors could become more involved with the article so that it is written with collaboration instead of the current ownership problems. Afterwriting ( talk) 07:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Death of Jill Meagher → Murder of Jill Meagher – As per WP:PERSON: "If the person was the victim of a notable murder, then a title such as Murder of Kitty Genovese is appropriate." Starting a new discussion here as an earlier debate on this article's Talk page back in 2014 apparently lapsed without being properly closed or resolved. (The accused was convicted of murder, so earlier legal/BLP concerns about calling the article "Murder of..." are no longer valid.) Muzilon ( talk) 13:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Canoe1967 ( talk) 05:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Murder of Jill Meagher → Death of Jill Meagher – Current title is not neutral per WP:NDESC. The current title implies the accused is guilty of murder which is a breach of WP:BLP. Hack ( talk) 12:02, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
If the current accused is found not guilty, does that mean she was not murdered? Surely an unsolved murder is still a murder. If that is not the case, do you need the verdict of a coronial inquest to say a person was murdered by an unknown person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.2.209 ( talk) 00:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
It is the most offensive suggestion I have read in years to remove this. Have you no respect? How many people marched in the street where she was abuducted to show their disgust at such an innocent person being taken from this life to soon and in such a terrible way. Considering the number of no-name reserve grade footballers that can be found on wikipedia it's utterly obscene. Whoever the grub is that suggested it I would question their motives. The fact ninemsn had it as a lead story also suggest how out of touch this clown must be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.186.215 ( talk) 06:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Could editors brought here by the article in The Age newspaper please note that this is not the correct place for comments on whether the article should be deleted or not. Such comments belong in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Jill Meagher.
But also note that that discussion is currently in the process of being closed. HiLo48 ( talk) 08:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: stale discussion. See newer move request below for the discussion that resulted in the moving of this page. Dekimasu よ! 01:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I would question the validity of the comment that social media such as Facebook and Twitter "played a significant role in bringing the case to prominence and in helping with the police investigation."
It is certainly true that both had a significant role in bringing the case to prominence but it could be equally said that hate pages and careless or uninformed comments stood to put the trail of Ms Meagher's killer at serious risk. In the highly charged atmosphere of the weeks which followed Bayley's arrest, many were keen to expose what they believed (rightly or wrongly) to be evidence of his prior offences. On that basis, the likelihood of finding an impartial jury would be extremely remote and the possibility of him receiving a fair trial would be very low.
On that basis, there is no way that social media could have helped police with their investigation. Had the detectives not been able to swoop so quickly, social media might have played a bigger role but as it was, it had little or no relevance to the investigation. Flanker235 ( talk) 10:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
It has become obvious that an IP and SPA editor is in violation of Wikipedia's guidelines regarding attempting "ownership" of articles as described at WP:OWN. This is not acceptable, especially as the IP's edits are frequently inadequate and require correction or improvement. It would be good if other editors could become more involved with the article so that it is written with collaboration instead of the current ownership problems. Afterwriting ( talk) 07:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Death of Jill Meagher → Murder of Jill Meagher – As per WP:PERSON: "If the person was the victim of a notable murder, then a title such as Murder of Kitty Genovese is appropriate." Starting a new discussion here as an earlier debate on this article's Talk page back in 2014 apparently lapsed without being properly closed or resolved. (The accused was convicted of murder, so earlier legal/BLP concerns about calling the article "Murder of..." are no longer valid.) Muzilon ( talk) 13:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)