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Danielle jones and Stuart Campbell are very clsley related in terms of notariaty and should be merged in to one page specifically under the undrella title of Stuart Campbell murder.-- Lucy-marie 16:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 25, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
- 1. Well written?: Needs editing for better language and flow.
- 2. Factually accurate?: Needs citations covering quotes and points of fact.
- 3. Broad in coverage?: Would benefit from expansion in discussing points of case and issues that make it notable.
- 4. Neutral point of view?: It is NPOV.
- 5. Article stability? Article is stable.
- 6. Images?: Appear acceptable.
I briefly looked over this article and noticed a few problems with it that preclude it from passing a good article nomination. One of the most serious issues procluding it is that there are facts and quotes included that are not directly referenced. Examples include the quote by a police superintendent in the first paragraph of the Murder trial section, the listing of points in the prosecution's case has no inline references and the references given at the end of the paragraph do not cover all of the points outlined. All of this qualifies it for quick-fail based on Wikipedia:Verifiability.
The article needs revision for good flow of language as well as expansion to discuss the aspects of the case more fully. One example is in the Disappearance and investigation section: "Suspicion fell on her uncle Stuart Campbell almost immediately who was first arrested on 23 June 2001, five days after Jones went missing." This sentence, as well as others in the article, is simply run-on and awkward. It would also seem that his being her uncle would be relevant enough to mention in the lead of the story. Other questions arise, such as why did suspicion fall on him almost immediately? The article has potential but just needs expansion and better referencing.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was Move (you can add WP:BIO1E to the rationale for not simply using "Danielle Jones".) Parsecboy ( talk) 14:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The page was moved without discussion, from Murder to disappearance. The reason given no body was found so it is not a murder. A murder trial resulting in a successful conviction occurred, meaning that there is enough evidence to prove a murder occurred, just the body has not been found. -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 17:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Murder" is an inflammatory word to use in the title of any article. "Disappearance", "Killing", or just using Danielle Jones would be preferable. 199.125.109.126 ( talk) 22:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - murder is the standard term for articles titles of this nature see Murder of Sarah Payne and Soham murders.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Murder is likely to be the common name, as that's what the court said it was. (Killing has nothing to recommend it that I can see... is there any suggestion that it was a killing but not a murder? Strange idea.) Andrewa ( talk) 10:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Fine rationale on the part of Lucy-marie. In addition, "Murder of" is common in articles of this type. See the
prefix index for a list. Sir Stanley's original move was in good faith, however, and he will have seen it as an uncontroversial move, so not seeking consensus before the move is fine.
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- Still not a good idea. Making mistakes because other articles do it is not a good idea. The policy is to name articles about a person using Firstname Lastname (dis if nec). It is not practical to go into more details in the title, and simply inflammatory, in the case of words like murder. 199.125.109.126 ( talk) 02:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Firstly, I wouldn't say that all those articles are making mistakes. These articles are not solely about the people - they are more about the events themselves. In this case, the article is about the murder (or disappearance, whichever you prefer for the purposes of my argument) of Danielle Jones. Neither Danielle Jones herself, nor Stuart Campbell are notable enough for articles about them. The murder case, however, is very much notable. This article is about the case, rather than the person. Obviously our intention is not to be inflammatory, but as Regent's Park says below, WP:SPADE, and also as I have just stated the article is about the event rather than the people (hence why there's no biography, or most other things usually found in a usual biography of a living person). Dreaded Walrus t c 05:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:SPADE. -- Regent's Park ( Rose Garden) 17:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Please can users comment on how this article can be improved further to enable this article to be made to GA status.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 13:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
She looks 10 or something in that. Upload summary says "a head-on portrait distributed for identification purposes by the family of the victim" and "used to illustrate an article about the victim in question"
She went missing when she was 15, not 10, so for purposes of both ID and depicting who the victim was, shouldn't we show the most recent picture? BBC supplies this one, can we just upload it overtop? Ranze ( talk) 07:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
There is an error pertaining to the height conversion! 5 feet 7 = 170 cm; 5 feet 8 = 173 cm Which one of those is correct?
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The picture used for Danielle Jones is quite grainy and small, when there are plenty of other photos that are higher res. Would a new picture be accepted? Naihreloe ( talk) 23:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Danielle jones and Stuart Campbell are very clsley related in terms of notariaty and should be merged in to one page specifically under the undrella title of Stuart Campbell murder.-- Lucy-marie 16:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of November 25, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
- 1. Well written?: Needs editing for better language and flow.
- 2. Factually accurate?: Needs citations covering quotes and points of fact.
- 3. Broad in coverage?: Would benefit from expansion in discussing points of case and issues that make it notable.
- 4. Neutral point of view?: It is NPOV.
- 5. Article stability? Article is stable.
- 6. Images?: Appear acceptable.
I briefly looked over this article and noticed a few problems with it that preclude it from passing a good article nomination. One of the most serious issues procluding it is that there are facts and quotes included that are not directly referenced. Examples include the quote by a police superintendent in the first paragraph of the Murder trial section, the listing of points in the prosecution's case has no inline references and the references given at the end of the paragraph do not cover all of the points outlined. All of this qualifies it for quick-fail based on Wikipedia:Verifiability.
The article needs revision for good flow of language as well as expansion to discuss the aspects of the case more fully. One example is in the Disappearance and investigation section: "Suspicion fell on her uncle Stuart Campbell almost immediately who was first arrested on 23 June 2001, five days after Jones went missing." This sentence, as well as others in the article, is simply run-on and awkward. It would also seem that his being her uncle would be relevant enough to mention in the lead of the story. Other questions arise, such as why did suspicion fall on him almost immediately? The article has potential but just needs expansion and better referencing.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 04:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was Move (you can add WP:BIO1E to the rationale for not simply using "Danielle Jones".) Parsecboy ( talk) 14:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
The page was moved without discussion, from Murder to disappearance. The reason given no body was found so it is not a murder. A murder trial resulting in a successful conviction occurred, meaning that there is enough evidence to prove a murder occurred, just the body has not been found. -- Lucy-marie ( talk) 17:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Murder" is an inflammatory word to use in the title of any article. "Disappearance", "Killing", or just using Danielle Jones would be preferable. 199.125.109.126 ( talk) 22:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - murder is the standard term for articles titles of this nature see Murder of Sarah Payne and Soham murders.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 22:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Murder is likely to be the common name, as that's what the court said it was. (Killing has nothing to recommend it that I can see... is there any suggestion that it was a killing but not a murder? Strange idea.) Andrewa ( talk) 10:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Fine rationale on the part of Lucy-marie. In addition, "Murder of" is common in articles of this type. See the
prefix index for a list. Sir Stanley's original move was in good faith, however, and he will have seen it as an uncontroversial move, so not seeking consensus before the move is fine.
Dreaded Walrus
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c 10:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Still not a good idea. Making mistakes because other articles do it is not a good idea. The policy is to name articles about a person using Firstname Lastname (dis if nec). It is not practical to go into more details in the title, and simply inflammatory, in the case of words like murder. 199.125.109.126 ( talk) 02:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Firstly, I wouldn't say that all those articles are making mistakes. These articles are not solely about the people - they are more about the events themselves. In this case, the article is about the murder (or disappearance, whichever you prefer for the purposes of my argument) of Danielle Jones. Neither Danielle Jones herself, nor Stuart Campbell are notable enough for articles about them. The murder case, however, is very much notable. This article is about the case, rather than the person. Obviously our intention is not to be inflammatory, but as Regent's Park says below, WP:SPADE, and also as I have just stated the article is about the event rather than the people (hence why there's no biography, or most other things usually found in a usual biography of a living person). Dreaded Walrus t c 05:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:SPADE. -- Regent's Park ( Rose Garden) 17:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Please can users comment on how this article can be improved further to enable this article to be made to GA status.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 13:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
She looks 10 or something in that. Upload summary says "a head-on portrait distributed for identification purposes by the family of the victim" and "used to illustrate an article about the victim in question"
She went missing when she was 15, not 10, so for purposes of both ID and depicting who the victim was, shouldn't we show the most recent picture? BBC supplies this one, can we just upload it overtop? Ranze ( talk) 07:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
There is an error pertaining to the height conversion! 5 feet 7 = 170 cm; 5 feet 8 = 173 cm Which one of those is correct?
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