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I propose that Cheri Jo Bates be merged into Zodiac Killer. Cheri Jo Bates seems to be notably only as a possible victim of the Zodiac Killer, and none of the Zodiac Killer's other victims have their own Wikipedia article. Yaush ( talk) 15:18, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
I've completed the merge. There's some opposition above, but It's been a year and I think merging is a reasonable step. Protonk ( talk) 20:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
With reference to the following statement;
"The author of these letters described in detail how Cheri Jo had been murdered, and how he had disabled her car before watching Cheri Jo repeatedly attempt to switch on the ignition until the battery had drained of power."
A statement such as this would be correct. Continual operation of the starter motor, (with the coil disconnected) would drain the battery. The time taken to do this would be dependent on a number of factors.
We now come to this statement;
"Furthermore, the author of the letter stated he had watched Cheri Jo attempt to activate the ignition to her car for "about two minutes," yet the ignition coil wire of her vehicle had been disconnected, thus meaning the ignition coil was unable to deliver the spark necessary to ignite the fuel; as such, the battery of her vehicle did not drain of power.[37]
The conclusion of, "as such, the battery of her vehicle did not drain of power" is erroneous. I very much doubt this sentence is as described in the reference. Whoever wrote this information, whether included in the source or otherwise, is ignorant of the operation of a gasoline engine. With the coil disconnected and the starter cranked regularly, the battery will quickly drain. The time taken will be, as I stated further above, dependent on a number of factors, including the state of the battery. "Two minutes" is quite viable.
This 'conclusion' per above seems to be used to indicate in the article text that this is one of the reasons the letter writer was discounted as a suspect. Hopefully this is a 'conclusion' reached by a Wiki editor and not a Law Enforcement party. Wiki editor's should not be 'reaching conclusions' though, so someone with access to the source material needs to correct this.
The source is given as; "America's Jack The Ripper: The Crimes and Psychology of the Zodiac Killer ISBN 978-1-365-88573-0 p. 226"
Neils51 (
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11:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
"The Battery Must Have Been About Dead By Then": If one disconnects the coil wire, the ignition cannot deliver the necessary spark to ignite the fuel and the car will not start; it will not drain the battery (my italics). The writer could accurately describe the method of sabotage, yet he was unaware of how it affected the car.-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 23:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
I first heard about the death of Mrs. Bates in a podcast thread which Tom Voigt posted in 2019. The thread and derivative threads generated a variety of comments. I have obtained a death certificate for Mrs. Bates and can confirm that the information from Tom Voigt is correct.
Draft: Irene Bates, the mother of Cheri Jo Bates, died of "ingestion of strychnine (Gopher pesticide)" in early July, 1969. The estimated date of ingestion ("injury date") was July 2. Her body was found on July 4 at 3:45 PM. She was 50 years of age. The address of death, and Mrs. Bates residence, was 3210 Main St. This was a Swiss Inn facility. Her death was ruled a suicide on July 8, though this has caused debate.
Original links from Tom Voigt:
Sample discussion, including comments by Sandy Betts:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiackillerfr/viewtopic.php?p=161106#p161106
VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I have added the above, with minor edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VallejoHistory ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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I propose that Cheri Jo Bates be merged into Zodiac Killer. Cheri Jo Bates seems to be notably only as a possible victim of the Zodiac Killer, and none of the Zodiac Killer's other victims have their own Wikipedia article. Yaush ( talk) 15:18, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
I've completed the merge. There's some opposition above, but It's been a year and I think merging is a reasonable step. Protonk ( talk) 20:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
With reference to the following statement;
"The author of these letters described in detail how Cheri Jo had been murdered, and how he had disabled her car before watching Cheri Jo repeatedly attempt to switch on the ignition until the battery had drained of power."
A statement such as this would be correct. Continual operation of the starter motor, (with the coil disconnected) would drain the battery. The time taken to do this would be dependent on a number of factors.
We now come to this statement;
"Furthermore, the author of the letter stated he had watched Cheri Jo attempt to activate the ignition to her car for "about two minutes," yet the ignition coil wire of her vehicle had been disconnected, thus meaning the ignition coil was unable to deliver the spark necessary to ignite the fuel; as such, the battery of her vehicle did not drain of power.[37]
The conclusion of, "as such, the battery of her vehicle did not drain of power" is erroneous. I very much doubt this sentence is as described in the reference. Whoever wrote this information, whether included in the source or otherwise, is ignorant of the operation of a gasoline engine. With the coil disconnected and the starter cranked regularly, the battery will quickly drain. The time taken will be, as I stated further above, dependent on a number of factors, including the state of the battery. "Two minutes" is quite viable.
This 'conclusion' per above seems to be used to indicate in the article text that this is one of the reasons the letter writer was discounted as a suspect. Hopefully this is a 'conclusion' reached by a Wiki editor and not a Law Enforcement party. Wiki editor's should not be 'reaching conclusions' though, so someone with access to the source material needs to correct this.
The source is given as; "America's Jack The Ripper: The Crimes and Psychology of the Zodiac Killer ISBN 978-1-365-88573-0 p. 226"
Neils51 (
talk)
11:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
"The Battery Must Have Been About Dead By Then": If one disconnects the coil wire, the ignition cannot deliver the necessary spark to ignite the fuel and the car will not start; it will not drain the battery (my italics). The writer could accurately describe the method of sabotage, yet he was unaware of how it affected the car.-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 23:49, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
I first heard about the death of Mrs. Bates in a podcast thread which Tom Voigt posted in 2019. The thread and derivative threads generated a variety of comments. I have obtained a death certificate for Mrs. Bates and can confirm that the information from Tom Voigt is correct.
Draft: Irene Bates, the mother of Cheri Jo Bates, died of "ingestion of strychnine (Gopher pesticide)" in early July, 1969. The estimated date of ingestion ("injury date") was July 2. Her body was found on July 4 at 3:45 PM. She was 50 years of age. The address of death, and Mrs. Bates residence, was 3210 Main St. This was a Swiss Inn facility. Her death was ruled a suicide on July 8, though this has caused debate.
Original links from Tom Voigt:
Sample discussion, including comments by Sandy Betts:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiackillerfr/viewtopic.php?p=161106#p161106
VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I have added the above, with minor edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VallejoHistory ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 March 2023 (UTC)