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The Billie-Jo and Sion articles should be merged as they're both about the same case, and Sion has zero notability apart from the murder trial, which obviously belongs on the Billie-Jo article. -- Dtcdthingy 15:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 00:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
This entry sounds like Southall was struck off because of this case, but reading the article on Southall it seems that he was struck off because of another case or cases? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.237.64.150 ( talk) 09:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I’m struck by how similar this is to the case of Alexander McLeod-Lindsay. How likely is it that a woman would be thrown in gaol for tending to a dying murder victim? There is a pattern of sexism here. 122.150.211.240 ( talk) 02:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
After an estimated 10 Million pounds have been spent on a trial, a jailhouse confession is reported by the tabloid "News of the World." http://notwats.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-killed-billie-jo.html
Some days pass and another newspaper WalesOnline.co.uk, report that the police will not interview the confessor. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid=16723324&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=-i-killed-billie-jo--claim-dismissed-name_page.html
I cannot find confirmation that the DNA testing suggested in the first article was ever conducted. Confirmation of testing, not testing, or test results would if obtainable contribute to a readers conclusions from the article. Pendare ( talk) 16:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't mention that Sion Jenkins was even a suspect before information about an appeal in 1999. Owain meurig ( talk) 11:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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I removed [ [1]] the material which states:
There had been rumours that Jenkins had been having an affair with a 17-year-old girl at the time, but this was not heard by the jury. [1]
As we can see, the material is sourced but unfortunately the source cannot now be checked; at least on the website of NLJ articles prior to 2007 are not available.
We do have to be very careful in WP:BLP:
Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment.
I removed the material for three reasons: 1) This rumour was explicitly not part of the retrial. 2) Adding it is POV: it amounts to an implication of actual guilt. 3) To give 25% of the section about the trial to a rumour which was not heard by the jury amounts to WP:UNDUE WEIGHT.
Grateful for the views of other authors.
With respect to all,
Springnuts ( talk) 12:52, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
All of the juries heard evidence of falsehoods concerning Mr Jenkins' qualifications, evidence of particular acts of violence towards Billie-Jo and evidence, from Billie-Jo's friends, concerning other violent behaviour to Billie-Jo. However, rumours of an affair with a 17-year-old girl, that there had been a history of marital violence and angry outbursts, and that one of his daughters had accused him of punching her in the stomach, were not heard by the juries.
Let me put it another way. The statements are defamatory and unproven. They were not heard in court. He is - in the eyes of the law - an innocent man. How is this appropriate to include in our article? Springnuts ( talk) 20:47, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
If appropriately included it would fit there. But is it appropriate in a BLP? I’ll have a look at the policy. Springnuts ( talk) 21:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the relevant policy is here: Wikipedia:BLPCRIME: "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed ... a crime, unless a conviction has been secured." But I will take it over to the WP:BLPN. Springnuts ( talk) 21:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks - the BLPN is at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Murder_of_Billie-Jo_Jenkins. Springnuts ( talk) 22:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
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User:ScottishFinnishRadish why did you not just remove the content that was discussed on the noticeboard page then 212.187.244.69 ( talk) 20:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Family friends also stated that Billie-Jo had once been kicked aggressively in the ankle by Siôn while on holiday in France in August 1996, despite her ankle being sprained at the time. One family friend said that he had "kicked the living daylights out of her". He had apparently been infuriated by her being injured, and believed that she had done it on purpose.Two sentences on kicking, the one sentence assuming his motive and taking the kicking as fact.
It later materialised that he had lied about his qualifications on his CV to get this job, and had recently repeated the lies on a new application to become the head of the school, which was taking a long time to be processed as it was subject to references being checked. Had it become known he had lied about his qualifications he would have faced being sacked. As a result, he was said to have been under "considerable stress" at the time. His new job was due to start the next September. Jenkins had claimed that he had obtained ten O-levels in 1973, but in fact had obtained only three grade C O-levels in art, English and history, one D grade in arithmetic and E grades in French and physics. He also had claimed he had a teacher qualification in English with drama, but in fact it was in physical education, and had claimed he had attended the University of London when he had actually attended the less prestigious University of East London. He had been suspended from his school as a teenager due to behavioural issues. He had stood as a local Conservative Party candidate in local elections.is completely unnecessary, and casts them in a negative light with no context related to the murder, which is the subject of the article.
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The contents of the Sion Jenkins page were merged into Murder of Billie-Jo Jenkins. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
The Billie-Jo and Sion articles should be merged as they're both about the same case, and Sion has zero notability apart from the murder trial, which obviously belongs on the Billie-Jo article. -- Dtcdthingy 15:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 00:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
This entry sounds like Southall was struck off because of this case, but reading the article on Southall it seems that he was struck off because of another case or cases? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.237.64.150 ( talk) 09:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I’m struck by how similar this is to the case of Alexander McLeod-Lindsay. How likely is it that a woman would be thrown in gaol for tending to a dying murder victim? There is a pattern of sexism here. 122.150.211.240 ( talk) 02:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
After an estimated 10 Million pounds have been spent on a trial, a jailhouse confession is reported by the tabloid "News of the World." http://notwats.blogspot.com/2006/02/i-killed-billie-jo.html
Some days pass and another newspaper WalesOnline.co.uk, report that the police will not interview the confessor. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/tm_objectid=16723324&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=-i-killed-billie-jo--claim-dismissed-name_page.html
I cannot find confirmation that the DNA testing suggested in the first article was ever conducted. Confirmation of testing, not testing, or test results would if obtainable contribute to a readers conclusions from the article. Pendare ( talk) 16:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't mention that Sion Jenkins was even a suspect before information about an appeal in 1999. Owain meurig ( talk) 11:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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I removed [ [1]] the material which states:
There had been rumours that Jenkins had been having an affair with a 17-year-old girl at the time, but this was not heard by the jury. [1]
As we can see, the material is sourced but unfortunately the source cannot now be checked; at least on the website of NLJ articles prior to 2007 are not available.
We do have to be very careful in WP:BLP:
Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment.
I removed the material for three reasons: 1) This rumour was explicitly not part of the retrial. 2) Adding it is POV: it amounts to an implication of actual guilt. 3) To give 25% of the section about the trial to a rumour which was not heard by the jury amounts to WP:UNDUE WEIGHT.
Grateful for the views of other authors.
With respect to all,
Springnuts ( talk) 12:52, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
All of the juries heard evidence of falsehoods concerning Mr Jenkins' qualifications, evidence of particular acts of violence towards Billie-Jo and evidence, from Billie-Jo's friends, concerning other violent behaviour to Billie-Jo. However, rumours of an affair with a 17-year-old girl, that there had been a history of marital violence and angry outbursts, and that one of his daughters had accused him of punching her in the stomach, were not heard by the juries.
Let me put it another way. The statements are defamatory and unproven. They were not heard in court. He is - in the eyes of the law - an innocent man. How is this appropriate to include in our article? Springnuts ( talk) 20:47, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
If appropriately included it would fit there. But is it appropriate in a BLP? I’ll have a look at the policy. Springnuts ( talk) 21:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the relevant policy is here: Wikipedia:BLPCRIME: "editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed ... a crime, unless a conviction has been secured." But I will take it over to the WP:BLPN. Springnuts ( talk) 21:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks - the BLPN is at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Murder_of_Billie-Jo_Jenkins. Springnuts ( talk) 22:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
References
User:ScottishFinnishRadish why did you not just remove the content that was discussed on the noticeboard page then 212.187.244.69 ( talk) 20:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Family friends also stated that Billie-Jo had once been kicked aggressively in the ankle by Siôn while on holiday in France in August 1996, despite her ankle being sprained at the time. One family friend said that he had "kicked the living daylights out of her". He had apparently been infuriated by her being injured, and believed that she had done it on purpose.Two sentences on kicking, the one sentence assuming his motive and taking the kicking as fact.
It later materialised that he had lied about his qualifications on his CV to get this job, and had recently repeated the lies on a new application to become the head of the school, which was taking a long time to be processed as it was subject to references being checked. Had it become known he had lied about his qualifications he would have faced being sacked. As a result, he was said to have been under "considerable stress" at the time. His new job was due to start the next September. Jenkins had claimed that he had obtained ten O-levels in 1973, but in fact had obtained only three grade C O-levels in art, English and history, one D grade in arithmetic and E grades in French and physics. He also had claimed he had a teacher qualification in English with drama, but in fact it was in physical education, and had claimed he had attended the University of London when he had actually attended the less prestigious University of East London. He had been suspended from his school as a teenager due to behavioural issues. He had stood as a local Conservative Party candidate in local elections.is completely unnecessary, and casts them in a negative light with no context related to the murder, which is the subject of the article.