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this article is terrible lmao — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey125a ( talk • contribs) 06:29, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
But is this not just a passing news story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey125a ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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Is it just me or does the article look like it's speaking in journalese? Something about this seems off and it looks as if it's trying to glorify the victim instead of simply explaining how it happened and the aftermath (even though the article did specify the aftermath.
Initial reports focused on depictions of Devins as a social media star; though later details suggested media coverage may have exaggerated the teen's notoriety as follower counts prior to the virality of images of her death indicated a modest following.
The problem with this statement is that she was not a social media star. She did not receive any media coverage prior to the murder.
There was a 4chan post I found that was summarizing her activities on the imageboards and speculating her mental issues and the causes of why she was murdered; an example were to be that she manipulated people by falsly posing as someone of a legal age on Discord servers and then blackmail them for money/narcotics, at the time she was supposedly addicted to narcotics such as heroin according to this post.
Usually, bigger and more notable news sites such as BBC and sometimes local news stations such as the one in Utica tend to not understand the situation and if anything, they try to word it up to a certain way where they eventually make it into journalese so everyone can understand it, as we can see from the article's sources
As per WP:Neutrality, I suggest that we use credible sources relating to the incident by getting deeper with the article instead of heavily relying on news tabloid, even if they're known to be credible. Balkanite ( talk) 19:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry, are you trying to say that you think murder under these circumstances can be in any way understandable? 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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should be noted but no news source is talking about how her very wild kinks and fetishes she had due to her mental illness. this is pretty much a fact as when she had her tellonym in her bio, it was represented as her enjoying rape and being drugged https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/wsr/image/1563/35/1563355034725.jpg
sanriocore liberal e girls dont respond to this pls
122.58.20.241 ( talk) 07:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
the tellonym one is atleast trustworthy becuz she had that in her bio before the whole thing happened 122.58.20.241 ( talk) 09:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
why would her kinks and fetushes have anything to do with her murder? last time I checked being into bdsm doesn't mean you think being killed is kinky 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
There was and still is much speculation regarding the victim, Bianca Devins. Considering she had some online following before her death, I believe it would be more appropriate to include either a separate article about Bianca and the article about her murder respectively, or change this article to a personal article about Bianca Devins. CanadianOntarian ( talk) 04:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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It's, well...not one. BLP does have wiggle room, but it's heading towards the end of the timeframe that applies to. Is the BLP tag instead focused on Clark? Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 00:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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Some of the cited sources say the murder happened the night of the 13th, some say early on the 14th. The 14th seems more plausible based on the timeline in the latter link. Apocheir ( talk) 01:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Actually, the first source claims the concert was on the 12th, which is wrong; see, for instance, the FaceBook event for the concert. I think the 13th is a mistake or typo; I'll change the article accordingly. - Apocheir ( talk) 01:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I feel we should add a section about the current situation happening with Influencer Gabbie Hanna. It has renewed attention to Devins and what happened and is notable enough for at least a paragraph, maybe in the aftermath section? User talk:HumanHistory1 01:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
As much as it pains me, we need to update this page to match up with what's come out in the lawsuit filing. See utica newspaper article, the text of the lawsuit. A lawsuit is not in itself a reliable source but the OD article is, and some of this is corroborated by other sources cited on this page. In particular, by her own family's admission if nothing else, Clark and Devins had sex before the murder and we should probably make that plain on the page. I can't force myself to make that edit, though. Feels ghoulish. - Apocheir ( talk) 21:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
It should be noted, given the murderers like of anime/manga, that his attemped suicide note is identical to the suicide note left by Aiko in the manga Goodnight Punpun. 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Per a recent decision regarding Rolling Stone's reporting of material outside of entertainment (see: WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS), the current abundance of references will have to be removed. It's unfortunate but needs must. I'll likely do it by morning unless someone else wishes to. DMT Biscuit ( talk) 20:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
I tweaked a sentence in the "Legislation" section to avoid copying from the https://www.wktv.com/news/state/new-york-state-assembly-passes-biancas-law/article_f9374df4-7943-11ec-b37b-bb7e239e0067.html source. I have tried rephrasing this myself, but I'm sure this is not perfect, so please improve it as you see fit. /wiae /tlk 15:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
"Clark set up a camera in his car so he could film the two having sex and, right after, the moment he cut her throat as she pleaded for her life." Source: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/mums-horror-as-murdered-daughter-sex-tape-released/news-story/ea47386ab51aaa4ee1ed3fd3d26cba37
Havent read anything about any "sex" before the murder anywhere else. Did anyone else? Thx - Joaquin89uy ( talk) 16:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I find it pretty weird that the article refers to Devins' mother Kimberly Devins as simply "Kim" and similarly to her sister as "Olivia". This doesn't sound appropriate for an encyclopedia. I'd either suggest to call them by their first and last name or by their relationship to the victim ("Devins' mother" and "Devins' sister").
It reads as if "Kim" is a last name in sentences like: Kim said that "So many people have been affected by the pictures, scarred for life and suffering from PTSD, unable to erase the image from their mind". Nakonana ( talk) 00:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
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this article is terrible lmao — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey125a ( talk • contribs) 06:29, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
But is this not just a passing news story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey125a ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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Is it just me or does the article look like it's speaking in journalese? Something about this seems off and it looks as if it's trying to glorify the victim instead of simply explaining how it happened and the aftermath (even though the article did specify the aftermath.
Initial reports focused on depictions of Devins as a social media star; though later details suggested media coverage may have exaggerated the teen's notoriety as follower counts prior to the virality of images of her death indicated a modest following.
The problem with this statement is that she was not a social media star. She did not receive any media coverage prior to the murder.
There was a 4chan post I found that was summarizing her activities on the imageboards and speculating her mental issues and the causes of why she was murdered; an example were to be that she manipulated people by falsly posing as someone of a legal age on Discord servers and then blackmail them for money/narcotics, at the time she was supposedly addicted to narcotics such as heroin according to this post.
Usually, bigger and more notable news sites such as BBC and sometimes local news stations such as the one in Utica tend to not understand the situation and if anything, they try to word it up to a certain way where they eventually make it into journalese so everyone can understand it, as we can see from the article's sources
As per WP:Neutrality, I suggest that we use credible sources relating to the incident by getting deeper with the article instead of heavily relying on news tabloid, even if they're known to be credible. Balkanite ( talk) 19:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry, are you trying to say that you think murder under these circumstances can be in any way understandable? 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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should be noted but no news source is talking about how her very wild kinks and fetishes she had due to her mental illness. this is pretty much a fact as when she had her tellonym in her bio, it was represented as her enjoying rape and being drugged https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/wsr/image/1563/35/1563355034725.jpg
sanriocore liberal e girls dont respond to this pls
122.58.20.241 ( talk) 07:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
the tellonym one is atleast trustworthy becuz she had that in her bio before the whole thing happened 122.58.20.241 ( talk) 09:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
why would her kinks and fetushes have anything to do with her murder? last time I checked being into bdsm doesn't mean you think being killed is kinky 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
There was and still is much speculation regarding the victim, Bianca Devins. Considering she had some online following before her death, I believe it would be more appropriate to include either a separate article about Bianca and the article about her murder respectively, or change this article to a personal article about Bianca Devins. CanadianOntarian ( talk) 04:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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It's, well...not one. BLP does have wiggle room, but it's heading towards the end of the timeframe that applies to. Is the BLP tag instead focused on Clark? Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 00:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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Some of the cited sources say the murder happened the night of the 13th, some say early on the 14th. The 14th seems more plausible based on the timeline in the latter link. Apocheir ( talk) 01:48, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Actually, the first source claims the concert was on the 12th, which is wrong; see, for instance, the FaceBook event for the concert. I think the 13th is a mistake or typo; I'll change the article accordingly. - Apocheir ( talk) 01:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
I feel we should add a section about the current situation happening with Influencer Gabbie Hanna. It has renewed attention to Devins and what happened and is notable enough for at least a paragraph, maybe in the aftermath section? User talk:HumanHistory1 01:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
As much as it pains me, we need to update this page to match up with what's come out in the lawsuit filing. See utica newspaper article, the text of the lawsuit. A lawsuit is not in itself a reliable source but the OD article is, and some of this is corroborated by other sources cited on this page. In particular, by her own family's admission if nothing else, Clark and Devins had sex before the murder and we should probably make that plain on the page. I can't force myself to make that edit, though. Feels ghoulish. - Apocheir ( talk) 21:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
It should be noted, given the murderers like of anime/manga, that his attemped suicide note is identical to the suicide note left by Aiko in the manga Goodnight Punpun. 2600:100F:B132:9013:54F6:1151:1BA5:A90D ( talk) 06:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Per a recent decision regarding Rolling Stone's reporting of material outside of entertainment (see: WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS), the current abundance of references will have to be removed. It's unfortunate but needs must. I'll likely do it by morning unless someone else wishes to. DMT Biscuit ( talk) 20:56, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
I tweaked a sentence in the "Legislation" section to avoid copying from the https://www.wktv.com/news/state/new-york-state-assembly-passes-biancas-law/article_f9374df4-7943-11ec-b37b-bb7e239e0067.html source. I have tried rephrasing this myself, but I'm sure this is not perfect, so please improve it as you see fit. /wiae /tlk 15:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
"Clark set up a camera in his car so he could film the two having sex and, right after, the moment he cut her throat as she pleaded for her life." Source: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/mums-horror-as-murdered-daughter-sex-tape-released/news-story/ea47386ab51aaa4ee1ed3fd3d26cba37
Havent read anything about any "sex" before the murder anywhere else. Did anyone else? Thx - Joaquin89uy ( talk) 16:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I find it pretty weird that the article refers to Devins' mother Kimberly Devins as simply "Kim" and similarly to her sister as "Olivia". This doesn't sound appropriate for an encyclopedia. I'd either suggest to call them by their first and last name or by their relationship to the victim ("Devins' mother" and "Devins' sister").
It reads as if "Kim" is a last name in sentences like: Kim said that "So many people have been affected by the pictures, scarred for life and suffering from PTSD, unable to erase the image from their mind". Nakonana ( talk) 00:02, 5 November 2023 (UTC)