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Is info on Blood banks a trivia for this article -------- Kensplanet ( talk) 17:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Mumbai is metropolitan city having headquarters of Reserve Bank, Stock Exchange and multinational corporations. It is home to Bollywood and economic hub of country.
However seats are reserved for state legislative assembly and municipality which has no reference means insult to word Encyclopedia and particularly to Wikipedia. vkvora2001 ( talk) 09:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we have a Vada Pav Image in the Culture Section? Since Vada Pav is a unique fast food of Mumbai. and Cuisines is merged with Culture in this article.======== Kensplanet ( talk) 13:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Please change the unlikely caption for the Gateway of India picture (created no doubt by some well-intentioned teenager). The caption currently reads, " India won its independence when the last British soldiers left through the Gateway of India on August 14, 1947."
The last British troops, the First Battalion of the Somerset Light Infantry, passed through the Gateway of India on 28 February 1948, many months after India became independent. Either say something to that effect, or say, "The Gateway of India was built to commemorate the arrival in India, on 2nd December 1911, of the King George V and Queen Mary and completed on 4th December, 1924." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
During the last year, the prose in this article has plummeted to a level below that of middle-school. How far below is still not clear.
Here are three random examples:
user:Kensplanet: it is not "apart from," it is "in addition to." Also, you don't repeat "Municipal Corporation" over and over again. This is elementary middle-school English grammar. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 04:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Why don't U yourself do the modifications instead of just chattering here?==== Kensplanet ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the what lead looked like on February 22, 2007:
“ | Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, is the capital of the
state of
Maharashtra, the most populous
city of
India, and by some measures the
most populous city in the world with an estimated population of about 13
million (as of 2006). Mumbai is located on
Salsette Island, off the
west coast of Maharashtra. Along with its neighbouring suburbs, it forms the world's
sixth most populous
metropolitan area with a population of about 25 million. The metro population ranking is projected to rise to 4th in the world by 2015 due to an annual growth rate of 2.2%. The city has a deep natural harbour and the port handles over half of India's passenger traffic and a significant amount of cargo.
Mumbai is the commercial and entertainment capital of India , and houses important financial institutions, such as the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE), the National Stock Exchange of India (NSE) and the corporate headquarters of many Indian companies. Mumbai has attracted migrants from all over India because of the immense business opportunities, and the relatively high standard of living, making the city a potpourri of various communities and cultures. The city is home to India's Hindi film and television industry, known as Bollywood. Mumbai is also one of the rare cities to accommodate a national park, the Sanjay Gandhi National Park, within its city limits. |
” |
And, here is the disaster it has become today, February 22, 2008:
“ | Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, is the capital of the
Indian state of
Maharashtra. With an estimated population of 13 million, it is the largest
metropolis in India and
the most populous city in the world. With a population of 19 million, (repetitive syntax pattern, impermissible in an FA)the
Mumbai Metropolitan Area which includes cities of
Navi Mumbai and
Thane, is also the
world's 5th most populated metropolitan area. (What is it, a "metropolitan area," or "a metropolis?" Stick to one.)
Mumbai is one of the world's top 10 centers of commerce in terms of global financial flow. ("in terms of global financial flow?" You obviously mean, "when ranked by global financial flow") Mumbai is also the commercial and entertainment capital of India, (commercial and entertainment capital of India? What does that mean? Weasel word.) contributing 25% of industrial output, 40% of maritime trade, and 70% of capital transactions to India's economy. (A city doesn't "contribute" 40% of maritime trade! Whose 40%? You mean that Mumbai's contribution comprises 25% of India's industrial output, 40% of her maritime trade, and 70% of her capital transactions. The city houses important financial institutions, such as the Reserve Bank of India, the Bombay Stock Exchange, the National Stock Exchange of India and the corporate headquarters of many Indian companies and numerous multinational corporations. The city is home to Bollywood, the largest film producer in the world. (No, a "film producer" is a person, as your link indicates; you can't use "film producer," unless you have a specific fat cat in mind.) Mumbai attracts migrants from all over India because of the immense employment opportunities and the relatively high standard of living. Located off the west coast of India, (No, not off the coast of India, but off the Konkan coast (of Maharashtra).) on the Indian Ocean, Mumbai has a deep natural sea harbour. (First of all, it is not the Indian Ocean, but rather the Arabian Sea. Second, in the middle of the Arabian Sea, you can't really expect a "fresh water harbour." "sea" is redundant.) The city handles over half of India's passenger traffic and a significant amount of cargo. (What kind of passenger traffic? Air, ship, rail or road? Notice, Nichalp's version says, "the port handles ...." ) Mumbai is also one of the few cities in the world that accommodates a national park, the Sanjay Gandhi National Park, within its city limits. "... one of the few cities?" Can you name a few others?? Notice Nichalp's version says "rare cities." |
” |
And this is just the lead .... Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Who are you to tell me that Nichalp knows more about Mumbai and about English than I? Please DO NOT make offensive comments. Nichalp might be your god, but he is just another editor and deserves no more respect than any other contributor to wiki does. The content of the article is much better now than it has been ever before. Yes there are some minor mistakes, but the page is much more informative now.
Also, your image additions are pointless. The Unesco picture is of fake quality. You are always complaining about how an image is to purple or whatever and then you add your own images that are of worse quality!
I dont know who in the right mind would add an image of recycling in dharavi in the economy section. Atleast, when we add images, they make sense. Discuss the images you wish to add here before adding them to the page. Nikkul ( talk) 02:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Please! you have still not explained how your addition of the supposed "recycling" photo pertains to Mumbai's economy. Is it such a big part of Mumbais economy? How does the trash image show Mumbai's demographics? Dont be a hypocrite. Nikkul ( talk) 05:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
"Like other metropolises in the developing world, Mumbai suffers from the same major urbanisation problems seen in many fast growing cities in developing countries — widespread poverty and unemployment, poor public health, civic and educational standards for a large section of the population. With available space at a premium, Mumbai residents often reside in cramped, relatively expensive housing, usually far from workplaces, and therefore requiring long commutes on crowded mass transit, or clogged roadways. According to 2001 census of India, about 54% of the city's population lives in slums."
Some things that need to be clarified:
=Nichalp «Talk»= 15:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nichalp, Fowler&,Kensplanet, Nikkul & all other users who regularly maintain this article
,
I had noticed that there was no single template for all the various localities of Mumbai and its neighboring areas. As you know
Mumbai metropolitan area is quite big. Other cities on wikipedia do have similar templates - for example check out
Template:Chicagoland.
I thought its time even Mumbai gets one similar template and created Template:Mumbai metropolitan area. Check it out. I have added as many localities of Mumbai to this template as I could. Surprisingly ALL of them have articles already present on Wikipedia. Even though in bad condition. But adding such navigation box will certainly divert traffic to these stubs and people will help enrich their information. I expect that you guys will not have any problem with this new addition page Mumbai. You are invited to do any correction to this template as suits you. If you have any suggestions/comments please scribble at my talk page. I will ad this navigation box tomorrow to page. gppande ( talk) 12:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, it seems this revert warring won't come to a close anytime soon, so I will try to resolve the issues currently in contention. Fowler, you just reverted Nikkul's edits. Could you explain why Nikkul's edits were unsuitable (both prose-wise and image-wise)? I can see some of the "tourist brochure" edits that you referred to, but I would like to hear more from your side.
Nikkul, could you explain why you swapped images here and here? Also from the previous highlighted diff, could you explain why you added the material regarding hovercraft, bus, rickshaw and taxi services to this article instead of at the main article, Public transport in Mumbai? Those are all the questions I have for now. Please address these. Thanks, Nishkid64 ( talk) 02:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I am getting increasingly upset over Fowler's blunt reverts to anything I add to this page. For example, I took out any images that were disagreed upon and went on to add to this page. Fowler simply reverted all of my edits back to his version!
I am an editor on Wikipedia who spends a lot of time make this article better. I understand there is some disagreement about some content, but even when I do not include any disagreed upon images and even when I try to improve the page, Fowler quickly reverts all of my edits back to his version. This is unacceptable! It is unfair to have someone revert your edits for no reason and call them "tourist brochure edits".
I understand that there is disagreement about content of this page and I am open to discuss this here like a civil editor. But even when I try to add information to this page that doesnt involve anything that was controversial, Fowler just reverts my edits This is unacceptable. Fowler does not own this page and has no right to revert any beneficial edit for no reason. Nikkul ( talk) 20:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Friends,
I see, an image is already available of
BMC seal(thanks to some good wikipedian). Indian cities do not have their own
Coat of arms or
flags like European and American cities.
Our template has parameter "seal =" mentioned in it already. Shall we go ahead and populate the value for it with this image?
Also read:
Coat of arms of the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai
gppande
«talk»
13:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Its been 4 days now since this thread began - If anyone feels this seal & page should not be united in "Holy Matrimony"..speak now..or forever hold your peace gppande «talk» 06:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I dont think its a good idea at all. It doesnt represent the city. It represents the corporation. Nikkul ( talk) 10:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Nikkul, It seems you edit pages without any discussion on the talk page. You recently reverted the seal on Mumbai page without contributing to discussion here. Please dont do this buddy. gppande «talk» 10:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed some new additions been made to article and all are of images. Wikipedia advices 1 image per section. But after today's new additions section People and Culture has 3 images, transport has 3, economy has 2 and so does history. Wow !!! Looks like a photo exhibition in
Jehangir Art Gallery :-))
All images are brilliant but count seems too big for this page. Better start a new page
Image gallery of Mumbai.
gppande
«talk»
12:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Creat a new page Image gallery of Mumbai and redirect people to this page who want to see more pic of Mumbai it is that simple. -- Suyogaerospace talk to me! 15:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
See Baku city they have also added a gallery section Suyogaerospace talk to me! 14:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Poll(Everybody is invited)
User | History | Economy | Transport | People & Culture |
---|---|---|---|---|
User:gppande | ||||
User:Anshuk |
I dont think there are too many images. According to WikiProject Indian cities, there should be at most 2 or 3 images (depending on the length of the section) per section. I think this page has just the right amount of images. All of them are necessary. Nikkul ( talk) 22:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If you all are really concern about Mumbai then also try to improve following articles Mumbai Policeand Mumbai Fire Brigade. I want to make these article as that of NYPD and NYFD Suyogaerospace talk to me! 15:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Byculla comes in south mumbai. it is well known fact. person who put byculla in east suburbs should refresh their geography. similarly chinchpokli also comes in south. byculla and chickpokli are very near to CST.
Dharavi lies between sion and mahim. matunga lies below dharavi. how can anybody put dharavi in south mumbai and and matunga/wadala in eastern suburbs.
please refer proper map and experts from govt. This template is made my some layman who dont know where is what in Mumbai.
Bala 207 ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
i agree with u. that railway map should not be considered. i am also not considering it. but when u define suburbs. look into the google maps again. the suburbs should be part of suburban district. now sion,mahim,matunga,dharavi all lie in city district of mumbai,not suburban district.
change the name of south mumbai to island city. also mention that the autos are not allowed in island city. please research little more.
thanks 202.75.200.19 ( talk) 07:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I think i should volunterlaly handel this geographical problem. I am born and bought up in Mumbai and have detail knowledge of Mumbai Suyogaerospace talk to me! 14:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The administrative district that is Mumbai is said to be 434 square kilometers when you go to the administrative page concerning how the city is administered. Yet, the infobox gives it an area of 603 square kilometers. Why the discrepency? And, if this is a page about Mumbai as an administrative unit, shouldn't we use the 434 square kilometer number? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 01:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently there was an edit inserted that sourced references that Delhi was more populous than Mumbai. Please note that these are approximations conducted by parties that are using several criteria to determine the population, that is not in use by the Census Commission of India. We on Wikipedia go by the figures of the Census Bureau, the only organization competent enough to define and conduct a population census. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Year | Pop. | ±% |
---|---|---|
1971 | 5,970,575 | — |
1981 | 8,243,405 | +38.1% |
1991 | 9,925,891 | +20.4% |
2001 | 11,914,398 | +20.0% |
Data is based on Government of India Census. |
User:Gppande has added this table. I don't think it's suited for the Mumbai page because:
Nikkul ( talk) 04:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I think stats about population growth are needed in this article. Redtigerxyz ( talk) 10:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The name was "officially changed" to Mumbai in India but when was it "officially changed" in the English language? Stutley ( talk) 09:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
(unindent)Neither the word, "Bombay," nor "Mumbai," as proper nouns (like "John" and "Mary"), are words in the English language, so looking to the OED or any other dictionary is not useful. The only reason why "Bombay" occurs in the OED is because it is used attributively in other English language common nouns like Bombay-duck etc. Here is OED's entry for Bombay (requires subscription): "The name of a city in India, used attrib. in: Bombay chair (cf. Bombay furniture); Bombay duck (see DUCK n.1 10); Bombay furniture, a style of furniture combining European forms with Indian ornamentation; Bombay hemp (see HEMP 5); Bombay pearl (see quot.); Bombay shell, the bull's-mouth shell, Cassis rufa, used for cutting shell cameos." Obviously, "Mumbai," because it is a new name, has not resulted in a common noun yet; it might someday, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia's naming convention for cities. Neither "Calcutta" nor "Kolakata" occur in the OED, in part, because the words have too many syllables to inspire other constructions. "Delhi" occurs only because of "Delhi belly." It seems that OED's policy on listing these names has not only to do with compound common nouns inspired by these proper nouns, but also on how common these words are. So, although "Bangalore" occurs in the compound "Bangalore torpedo" it does not have its own entry.
The preeminent Indian city name, as far as its legacy in the English language is concerned, is, of course, "Madras," which has inspired many English constructions. Its linguistic preeminence, as far as I can tell, has as much to do with it being the oldest large British outpost in India, as it does with the word itself being short and snappy (like "Bombay"). The OED entry for "Madras," incidentally, has 10 sub-entries, none of which is the city. It is only when you look at the etymology that it says, "From: Madras, the name of a seaport on the east coast of India (first recorded as Madrazpatam (1640)), now capital of Tamil Nadu (formerly also the name of a province; since 1995 known as Chennai)." So, obviously, the OED editors are aware that the city that was Madras is now called Chennai. (The word "Chennai," of course does not occur in the OED.) I hope this will put an end to this discussion. If you are debating what the city should be called in Wikipedia, look at Wikipedia's naming conventions, look to other encyclopedias, look to newspapers and news magazines, but not to dictionaries. (Some dictionaries, of course, do have geographical names in their appendices, but that is different.) Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | → | Archive 10 |
Is info on Blood banks a trivia for this article -------- Kensplanet ( talk) 17:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Mumbai is metropolitan city having headquarters of Reserve Bank, Stock Exchange and multinational corporations. It is home to Bollywood and economic hub of country.
However seats are reserved for state legislative assembly and municipality which has no reference means insult to word Encyclopedia and particularly to Wikipedia. vkvora2001 ( talk) 09:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Can we have a Vada Pav Image in the Culture Section? Since Vada Pav is a unique fast food of Mumbai. and Cuisines is merged with Culture in this article.======== Kensplanet ( talk) 13:32, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Please change the unlikely caption for the Gateway of India picture (created no doubt by some well-intentioned teenager). The caption currently reads, " India won its independence when the last British soldiers left through the Gateway of India on August 14, 1947."
The last British troops, the First Battalion of the Somerset Light Infantry, passed through the Gateway of India on 28 February 1948, many months after India became independent. Either say something to that effect, or say, "The Gateway of India was built to commemorate the arrival in India, on 2nd December 1911, of the King George V and Queen Mary and completed on 4th December, 1924." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
During the last year, the prose in this article has plummeted to a level below that of middle-school. How far below is still not clear.
Here are three random examples:
user:Kensplanet: it is not "apart from," it is "in addition to." Also, you don't repeat "Municipal Corporation" over and over again. This is elementary middle-school English grammar. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 04:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Why don't U yourself do the modifications instead of just chattering here?==== Kensplanet ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the what lead looked like on February 22, 2007:
“ | Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, is the capital of the
state of
Maharashtra, the most populous
city of
India, and by some measures the
most populous city in the world with an estimated population of about 13
million (as of 2006). Mumbai is located on
Salsette Island, off the
west coast of Maharashtra. Along with its neighbouring suburbs, it forms the world's
sixth most populous
metropolitan area with a population of about 25 million. The metro population ranking is projected to rise to 4th in the world by 2015 due to an annual growth rate of 2.2%. The city has a deep natural harbour and the port handles over half of India's passenger traffic and a significant amount of cargo.
Mumbai is the commercial and entertainment capital of India , and houses important financial institutions, such as the Reserve Bank of India (RBI), the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE), the National Stock Exchange of India (NSE) and the corporate headquarters of many Indian companies. Mumbai has attracted migrants from all over India because of the immense business opportunities, and the relatively high standard of living, making the city a potpourri of various communities and cultures. The city is home to India's Hindi film and television industry, known as Bollywood. Mumbai is also one of the rare cities to accommodate a national park, the Sanjay Gandhi National Park, within its city limits. |
” |
And, here is the disaster it has become today, February 22, 2008:
“ | Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, is the capital of the
Indian state of
Maharashtra. With an estimated population of 13 million, it is the largest
metropolis in India and
the most populous city in the world. With a population of 19 million, (repetitive syntax pattern, impermissible in an FA)the
Mumbai Metropolitan Area which includes cities of
Navi Mumbai and
Thane, is also the
world's 5th most populated metropolitan area. (What is it, a "metropolitan area," or "a metropolis?" Stick to one.)
Mumbai is one of the world's top 10 centers of commerce in terms of global financial flow. ("in terms of global financial flow?" You obviously mean, "when ranked by global financial flow") Mumbai is also the commercial and entertainment capital of India, (commercial and entertainment capital of India? What does that mean? Weasel word.) contributing 25% of industrial output, 40% of maritime trade, and 70% of capital transactions to India's economy. (A city doesn't "contribute" 40% of maritime trade! Whose 40%? You mean that Mumbai's contribution comprises 25% of India's industrial output, 40% of her maritime trade, and 70% of her capital transactions. The city houses important financial institutions, such as the Reserve Bank of India, the Bombay Stock Exchange, the National Stock Exchange of India and the corporate headquarters of many Indian companies and numerous multinational corporations. The city is home to Bollywood, the largest film producer in the world. (No, a "film producer" is a person, as your link indicates; you can't use "film producer," unless you have a specific fat cat in mind.) Mumbai attracts migrants from all over India because of the immense employment opportunities and the relatively high standard of living. Located off the west coast of India, (No, not off the coast of India, but off the Konkan coast (of Maharashtra).) on the Indian Ocean, Mumbai has a deep natural sea harbour. (First of all, it is not the Indian Ocean, but rather the Arabian Sea. Second, in the middle of the Arabian Sea, you can't really expect a "fresh water harbour." "sea" is redundant.) The city handles over half of India's passenger traffic and a significant amount of cargo. (What kind of passenger traffic? Air, ship, rail or road? Notice, Nichalp's version says, "the port handles ...." ) Mumbai is also one of the few cities in the world that accommodates a national park, the Sanjay Gandhi National Park, within its city limits. "... one of the few cities?" Can you name a few others?? Notice Nichalp's version says "rare cities." |
” |
And this is just the lead .... Fowler&fowler «Talk» 17:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Who are you to tell me that Nichalp knows more about Mumbai and about English than I? Please DO NOT make offensive comments. Nichalp might be your god, but he is just another editor and deserves no more respect than any other contributor to wiki does. The content of the article is much better now than it has been ever before. Yes there are some minor mistakes, but the page is much more informative now.
Also, your image additions are pointless. The Unesco picture is of fake quality. You are always complaining about how an image is to purple or whatever and then you add your own images that are of worse quality!
I dont know who in the right mind would add an image of recycling in dharavi in the economy section. Atleast, when we add images, they make sense. Discuss the images you wish to add here before adding them to the page. Nikkul ( talk) 02:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Please! you have still not explained how your addition of the supposed "recycling" photo pertains to Mumbai's economy. Is it such a big part of Mumbais economy? How does the trash image show Mumbai's demographics? Dont be a hypocrite. Nikkul ( talk) 05:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
"Like other metropolises in the developing world, Mumbai suffers from the same major urbanisation problems seen in many fast growing cities in developing countries — widespread poverty and unemployment, poor public health, civic and educational standards for a large section of the population. With available space at a premium, Mumbai residents often reside in cramped, relatively expensive housing, usually far from workplaces, and therefore requiring long commutes on crowded mass transit, or clogged roadways. According to 2001 census of India, about 54% of the city's population lives in slums."
Some things that need to be clarified:
=Nichalp «Talk»= 15:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Nichalp, Fowler&,Kensplanet, Nikkul & all other users who regularly maintain this article
,
I had noticed that there was no single template for all the various localities of Mumbai and its neighboring areas. As you know
Mumbai metropolitan area is quite big. Other cities on wikipedia do have similar templates - for example check out
Template:Chicagoland.
I thought its time even Mumbai gets one similar template and created Template:Mumbai metropolitan area. Check it out. I have added as many localities of Mumbai to this template as I could. Surprisingly ALL of them have articles already present on Wikipedia. Even though in bad condition. But adding such navigation box will certainly divert traffic to these stubs and people will help enrich their information. I expect that you guys will not have any problem with this new addition page Mumbai. You are invited to do any correction to this template as suits you. If you have any suggestions/comments please scribble at my talk page. I will ad this navigation box tomorrow to page. gppande ( talk) 12:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, it seems this revert warring won't come to a close anytime soon, so I will try to resolve the issues currently in contention. Fowler, you just reverted Nikkul's edits. Could you explain why Nikkul's edits were unsuitable (both prose-wise and image-wise)? I can see some of the "tourist brochure" edits that you referred to, but I would like to hear more from your side.
Nikkul, could you explain why you swapped images here and here? Also from the previous highlighted diff, could you explain why you added the material regarding hovercraft, bus, rickshaw and taxi services to this article instead of at the main article, Public transport in Mumbai? Those are all the questions I have for now. Please address these. Thanks, Nishkid64 ( talk) 02:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I am getting increasingly upset over Fowler's blunt reverts to anything I add to this page. For example, I took out any images that were disagreed upon and went on to add to this page. Fowler simply reverted all of my edits back to his version!
I am an editor on Wikipedia who spends a lot of time make this article better. I understand there is some disagreement about some content, but even when I do not include any disagreed upon images and even when I try to improve the page, Fowler quickly reverts all of my edits back to his version. This is unacceptable! It is unfair to have someone revert your edits for no reason and call them "tourist brochure edits".
I understand that there is disagreement about content of this page and I am open to discuss this here like a civil editor. But even when I try to add information to this page that doesnt involve anything that was controversial, Fowler just reverts my edits This is unacceptable. Fowler does not own this page and has no right to revert any beneficial edit for no reason. Nikkul ( talk) 20:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Friends,
I see, an image is already available of
BMC seal(thanks to some good wikipedian). Indian cities do not have their own
Coat of arms or
flags like European and American cities.
Our template has parameter "seal =" mentioned in it already. Shall we go ahead and populate the value for it with this image?
Also read:
Coat of arms of the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai
gppande
«talk»
13:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Its been 4 days now since this thread began - If anyone feels this seal & page should not be united in "Holy Matrimony"..speak now..or forever hold your peace gppande «talk» 06:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I dont think its a good idea at all. It doesnt represent the city. It represents the corporation. Nikkul ( talk) 10:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Nikkul, It seems you edit pages without any discussion on the talk page. You recently reverted the seal on Mumbai page without contributing to discussion here. Please dont do this buddy. gppande «talk» 10:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed some new additions been made to article and all are of images. Wikipedia advices 1 image per section. But after today's new additions section People and Culture has 3 images, transport has 3, economy has 2 and so does history. Wow !!! Looks like a photo exhibition in
Jehangir Art Gallery :-))
All images are brilliant but count seems too big for this page. Better start a new page
Image gallery of Mumbai.
gppande
«talk»
12:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Creat a new page Image gallery of Mumbai and redirect people to this page who want to see more pic of Mumbai it is that simple. -- Suyogaerospace talk to me! 15:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
See Baku city they have also added a gallery section Suyogaerospace talk to me! 14:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Poll(Everybody is invited)
User | History | Economy | Transport | People & Culture |
---|---|---|---|---|
User:gppande | ||||
User:Anshuk |
I dont think there are too many images. According to WikiProject Indian cities, there should be at most 2 or 3 images (depending on the length of the section) per section. I think this page has just the right amount of images. All of them are necessary. Nikkul ( talk) 22:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If you all are really concern about Mumbai then also try to improve following articles Mumbai Policeand Mumbai Fire Brigade. I want to make these article as that of NYPD and NYFD Suyogaerospace talk to me! 15:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Byculla comes in south mumbai. it is well known fact. person who put byculla in east suburbs should refresh their geography. similarly chinchpokli also comes in south. byculla and chickpokli are very near to CST.
Dharavi lies between sion and mahim. matunga lies below dharavi. how can anybody put dharavi in south mumbai and and matunga/wadala in eastern suburbs.
please refer proper map and experts from govt. This template is made my some layman who dont know where is what in Mumbai.
Bala 207 ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
i agree with u. that railway map should not be considered. i am also not considering it. but when u define suburbs. look into the google maps again. the suburbs should be part of suburban district. now sion,mahim,matunga,dharavi all lie in city district of mumbai,not suburban district.
change the name of south mumbai to island city. also mention that the autos are not allowed in island city. please research little more.
thanks 202.75.200.19 ( talk) 07:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I think i should volunterlaly handel this geographical problem. I am born and bought up in Mumbai and have detail knowledge of Mumbai Suyogaerospace talk to me! 14:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
The administrative district that is Mumbai is said to be 434 square kilometers when you go to the administrative page concerning how the city is administered. Yet, the infobox gives it an area of 603 square kilometers. Why the discrepency? And, if this is a page about Mumbai as an administrative unit, shouldn't we use the 434 square kilometer number? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 01:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently there was an edit inserted that sourced references that Delhi was more populous than Mumbai. Please note that these are approximations conducted by parties that are using several criteria to determine the population, that is not in use by the Census Commission of India. We on Wikipedia go by the figures of the Census Bureau, the only organization competent enough to define and conduct a population census. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Year | Pop. | ±% |
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1971 | 5,970,575 | — |
1981 | 8,243,405 | +38.1% |
1991 | 9,925,891 | +20.4% |
2001 | 11,914,398 | +20.0% |
Data is based on Government of India Census. |
User:Gppande has added this table. I don't think it's suited for the Mumbai page because:
Nikkul ( talk) 04:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I think stats about population growth are needed in this article. Redtigerxyz ( talk) 10:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The name was "officially changed" to Mumbai in India but when was it "officially changed" in the English language? Stutley ( talk) 09:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
(unindent)Neither the word, "Bombay," nor "Mumbai," as proper nouns (like "John" and "Mary"), are words in the English language, so looking to the OED or any other dictionary is not useful. The only reason why "Bombay" occurs in the OED is because it is used attributively in other English language common nouns like Bombay-duck etc. Here is OED's entry for Bombay (requires subscription): "The name of a city in India, used attrib. in: Bombay chair (cf. Bombay furniture); Bombay duck (see DUCK n.1 10); Bombay furniture, a style of furniture combining European forms with Indian ornamentation; Bombay hemp (see HEMP 5); Bombay pearl (see quot.); Bombay shell, the bull's-mouth shell, Cassis rufa, used for cutting shell cameos." Obviously, "Mumbai," because it is a new name, has not resulted in a common noun yet; it might someday, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia's naming convention for cities. Neither "Calcutta" nor "Kolakata" occur in the OED, in part, because the words have too many syllables to inspire other constructions. "Delhi" occurs only because of "Delhi belly." It seems that OED's policy on listing these names has not only to do with compound common nouns inspired by these proper nouns, but also on how common these words are. So, although "Bangalore" occurs in the compound "Bangalore torpedo" it does not have its own entry.
The preeminent Indian city name, as far as its legacy in the English language is concerned, is, of course, "Madras," which has inspired many English constructions. Its linguistic preeminence, as far as I can tell, has as much to do with it being the oldest large British outpost in India, as it does with the word itself being short and snappy (like "Bombay"). The OED entry for "Madras," incidentally, has 10 sub-entries, none of which is the city. It is only when you look at the etymology that it says, "From: Madras, the name of a seaport on the east coast of India (first recorded as Madrazpatam (1640)), now capital of Tamil Nadu (formerly also the name of a province; since 1995 known as Chennai)." So, obviously, the OED editors are aware that the city that was Madras is now called Chennai. (The word "Chennai," of course does not occur in the OED.) I hope this will put an end to this discussion. If you are debating what the city should be called in Wikipedia, look at Wikipedia's naming conventions, look to other encyclopedias, look to newspapers and news magazines, but not to dictionaries. (Some dictionaries, of course, do have geographical names in their appendices, but that is different.) Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)