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For Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be included in this and how this entry is distinct and odd-man-out among the contemporaries is based on logic. 1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to the Ahmadis is a Mujaddid. 2. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a Messiah. 3. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a Mahdi. 4. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a non-legislating prophet.
The list should logically exclude him because no other Mujaddid on list claimed to be Mahdi, Messiah or a Prophet.
The claim of Prophethood after Muhammad (salAllahu alaihiWaSallam) is a false claim according to Islam.
A reason why Musaylimah was rejected for being a Prophet by the Companions and waged war against him and his followers.
The insistence of some moderators to add Mirza Ghulam Ahmad needs to be specified in a separate sub-section, as "Other claimants of Mujaddid". Jssyedmadar ( talk) 09:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
From an encyclopedic perspective, I see there being only two possibilities for potential candidates for this list: individuals whom reliable secondary sources have said were mujaddid, called mujaddid or claimed to mujaddid (with the possibility of distinguishing somehow between those identified as mujaddid and those who simply claimed it for themselves); and those whom reliable secondary sources have said none of these things. In this context, what on earth is a potential mujaddid? Does anyone have an answer? And if not, can we agree to dispense with what seems to be an overly ambiguous wording, and ensure that this list only includes individuals somehow connected directly with the term mujaddid in reliable secondary sources? Iskandar323 ( talk) 17:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Can someone add Taqi al-Din al-Subki to 7th century please Galaxy21ultra ( talk) 19:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Il existe au Soudan en Afrique subsaharienne , plus précisément au Sénégal , Le Mudjaddid de son époque , il s’agit de Cheikh Ahmadou Mbacké Khadimoul Rassoul 41.214.76.189 ( talk) 13:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Shaikh Mahmud Efendi an-Naqshbandi al-Mujaddidi al-Khalidi can be added to the Mujaddids of the 14. century. He is often claimed to be the Mujaddid of this century. The sources often say 15. century but the century starting in 1979/1980 is meant.
These would be the sources: https://www.ismailaga.org.tr/hicri-15-asrin-muceddidi https://kashmirreader.com/2022/06/29/sheikh-mahmud-effendi-the-great-orator-of-islam/ Davut al-Maturidi ( talk) 14:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The activities of a Mujadid is like a heretical person, for those individuals in political office.
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For Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be included in this and how this entry is distinct and odd-man-out among the contemporaries is based on logic. 1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to the Ahmadis is a Mujaddid. 2. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a Messiah. 3. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a Mahdi. 4. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad according to Ahmadis is a non-legislating prophet.
The list should logically exclude him because no other Mujaddid on list claimed to be Mahdi, Messiah or a Prophet.
The claim of Prophethood after Muhammad (salAllahu alaihiWaSallam) is a false claim according to Islam.
A reason why Musaylimah was rejected for being a Prophet by the Companions and waged war against him and his followers.
The insistence of some moderators to add Mirza Ghulam Ahmad needs to be specified in a separate sub-section, as "Other claimants of Mujaddid". Jssyedmadar ( talk) 09:41, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
From an encyclopedic perspective, I see there being only two possibilities for potential candidates for this list: individuals whom reliable secondary sources have said were mujaddid, called mujaddid or claimed to mujaddid (with the possibility of distinguishing somehow between those identified as mujaddid and those who simply claimed it for themselves); and those whom reliable secondary sources have said none of these things. In this context, what on earth is a potential mujaddid? Does anyone have an answer? And if not, can we agree to dispense with what seems to be an overly ambiguous wording, and ensure that this list only includes individuals somehow connected directly with the term mujaddid in reliable secondary sources? Iskandar323 ( talk) 17:33, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Can someone add Taqi al-Din al-Subki to 7th century please Galaxy21ultra ( talk) 19:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Il existe au Soudan en Afrique subsaharienne , plus précisément au Sénégal , Le Mudjaddid de son époque , il s’agit de Cheikh Ahmadou Mbacké Khadimoul Rassoul 41.214.76.189 ( talk) 13:56, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Shaikh Mahmud Efendi an-Naqshbandi al-Mujaddidi al-Khalidi can be added to the Mujaddids of the 14. century. He is often claimed to be the Mujaddid of this century. The sources often say 15. century but the century starting in 1979/1980 is meant.
These would be the sources: https://www.ismailaga.org.tr/hicri-15-asrin-muceddidi https://kashmirreader.com/2022/06/29/sheikh-mahmud-effendi-the-great-orator-of-islam/ Davut al-Maturidi ( talk) 14:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
The activities of a Mujadid is like a heretical person, for those individuals in political office.
09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC) 43.242.178.157 ( talk)\\\\\\\\\\\09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC) 43.242.178.157 ( talk) 09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)\\\\\\\\\\\\\\09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)09:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)\\\\\\
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Add the name of
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