The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during the reign of Muhammad II,
Granada survived simultaneous attacks by
Castile and the
Marinids, its two larger neighbors?
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Hi
HaEr48. I have started the copy edit you requested. If you have any queries or qualms, don't hesitate to post them here.
Queries
Muhammad's name should be consistent through the article. Normally I would go with Muhammad after first mention. Or would you prefer me to use Muhammad II throughout?
Gog the Mild (
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13:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Gog the Mild: Good point. I agree with you, it should be Muhammad after the first mention, unless there's a nearby mention of someone else with the same name. Probably should be the same for Alfonso X and James II. I've updated the article.
HaEr48 (
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18:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)reply
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Gog the Mild: For emir vs king, both titles (as well as another title, sultan) are used in sources (and apparently historical documents too), so they can be used interchangably in this context. As for the English variety, I'll just defer to your preference. Now that you mention it probably my writing isn't very consistent, sorry about that!
HaEr48 (
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22:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
his father (also named Muhammad) I would suggest to link the elder Muhammad here, and simply introduce him as "his father, Muhammad I,..." the regnal number is used in the article later on to avoid confusion either way, so better to establish that distinction right from the start. Ditto for the sizeable independent state in the south of Spain, essentialy this repeats the information of the "Background" section.
Used regnal number for Muhammad I. Any suggestion for the "sizeable independent state" part? I agree it overlaps a little bit, but IMHO it's okay it's warranted because the "early life" part introduces his family, while the background is for the wider geopolitical situation.HaEr48 (
talk)
08:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Hmmm, how about "In 1232, his father Muhammad I established the independence of the town, and it later grew to a sizeable independent state in the south of Spain, centered on Granada after the loss of Arjona in 1244. The Emirate of Granada became the last independent Muslim state in the Iberian peninsula."
Constantine ✍ 21:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Murcia would go to Aragon and Andalusia to Granada I suggest relinking Murcia to
Kingdom of Murcia, and Andalusia perhaps to
Four Kingdoms of Andalusia, rather than the modern political entities.
Do we know why precisely he received the sobriquet "Faqih"? Was he particularly distinguished in fiqh or...?
not yet. Many source hints that he was well-learned in religious matters, but haven't found any explicit assertion that this was the reason for thr nickname. I will keep looking HaEr48 (
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08:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)reply
I've found an explanation in a book I have, which seems to cover it, and added it to the text (I also moved the part about the sobriquet to the Evaluation section as it seemed more appropriate).
Constantine ✍ 21:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you, your addition looks good. I wish I had access to the Carrasco Manchado source. I am working on a few Nasrid king biographies and it sounds very relevant.HaEr48 (
talk)
04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
ports on the Strait of Gibraltar, such as Algeciras and Gibraltar, I suggest adding: "that controlled passage to and from the North African coast", or analogous, to make their strategic importance explicit.
On the tribute paid in general, if the information is available, it would be useful to point out what proportion of the overall budget of Castile and/or Granada that represented.
I found sources that say it's half of Granada's revenue. It's also an important income for Castile but I haven't found sources that mention a specific percentage. I added the info to the text.HaEr48 (
talk)
04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
A few references are out of numerical order: [18][16], [23][10], [24][23], [34][10], [50][45]
The maps are fine, although if you intend to move this for a nomination for A-class or FA, "Reino de Granada.svg" would definitely need a more suitable source.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
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HaEr48: Hi, I've completed a first pass through the article. My comments are above. I will definitely make another pass when I have my own sources at hand later this week. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 09:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Cplakidas: Thanks for your review. Unfortunately you've caught me during a break with limited internet access. I hope I will be able to respond after 1-2 weeks from now. I hope that's okay?
HaEr48 (
talk)
21:29, 8 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Cplakidas: Thanks for your patience. I've addressed most of your feedback above. There are some unaddressed ones (I've marked them with red comments), mostly because they need more research. I'll get at them in the next few days. In the mean time feel free to add more feedback or review my changes so far.
HaEr48 (
talk)
02:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
HaEr48: Looks good to me. I have no further comments, at least not at the GA stage. Well done. If you need access to my sources (I have a couple of Spanish-language books on al-Andalus, apart from a copy of Kennedy) for other articles, feel free to ping me. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 07:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
TFA prep
Hi
HaEr48 and other interested editors. This is to let you know that as a part of preparing this article for TFA on 21 January I will be lightly running an eye over it for MoS-compliance and grammar, and possibly tweaking a little of the language to ensure that it is at it's very best for its appearance on the main page. If you have any queries about any of the edits don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
17:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during the reign of Muhammad II,
Granada survived simultaneous attacks by
Castile and the
Marinids, its two larger neighbors?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
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Hi
HaEr48. I have started the copy edit you requested. If you have any queries or qualms, don't hesitate to post them here.
Queries
Muhammad's name should be consistent through the article. Normally I would go with Muhammad after first mention. Or would you prefer me to use Muhammad II throughout?
Gog the Mild (
talk)
13:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Gog the Mild: Good point. I agree with you, it should be Muhammad after the first mention, unless there's a nearby mention of someone else with the same name. Probably should be the same for Alfonso X and James II. I've updated the article.
HaEr48 (
talk)
18:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Gog the Mild: For emir vs king, both titles (as well as another title, sultan) are used in sources (and apparently historical documents too), so they can be used interchangably in this context. As for the English variety, I'll just defer to your preference. Now that you mention it probably my writing isn't very consistent, sorry about that!
HaEr48 (
talk)
22:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)reply
his father (also named Muhammad) I would suggest to link the elder Muhammad here, and simply introduce him as "his father, Muhammad I,..." the regnal number is used in the article later on to avoid confusion either way, so better to establish that distinction right from the start. Ditto for the sizeable independent state in the south of Spain, essentialy this repeats the information of the "Background" section.
Used regnal number for Muhammad I. Any suggestion for the "sizeable independent state" part? I agree it overlaps a little bit, but IMHO it's okay it's warranted because the "early life" part introduces his family, while the background is for the wider geopolitical situation.HaEr48 (
talk)
08:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Hmmm, how about "In 1232, his father Muhammad I established the independence of the town, and it later grew to a sizeable independent state in the south of Spain, centered on Granada after the loss of Arjona in 1244. The Emirate of Granada became the last independent Muslim state in the Iberian peninsula."
Constantine ✍ 21:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Murcia would go to Aragon and Andalusia to Granada I suggest relinking Murcia to
Kingdom of Murcia, and Andalusia perhaps to
Four Kingdoms of Andalusia, rather than the modern political entities.
Do we know why precisely he received the sobriquet "Faqih"? Was he particularly distinguished in fiqh or...?
not yet. Many source hints that he was well-learned in religious matters, but haven't found any explicit assertion that this was the reason for thr nickname. I will keep looking HaEr48 (
talk)
08:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)reply
I've found an explanation in a book I have, which seems to cover it, and added it to the text (I also moved the part about the sobriquet to the Evaluation section as it seemed more appropriate).
Constantine ✍ 21:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you, your addition looks good. I wish I had access to the Carrasco Manchado source. I am working on a few Nasrid king biographies and it sounds very relevant.HaEr48 (
talk)
04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
ports on the Strait of Gibraltar, such as Algeciras and Gibraltar, I suggest adding: "that controlled passage to and from the North African coast", or analogous, to make their strategic importance explicit.
On the tribute paid in general, if the information is available, it would be useful to point out what proportion of the overall budget of Castile and/or Granada that represented.
I found sources that say it's half of Granada's revenue. It's also an important income for Castile but I haven't found sources that mention a specific percentage. I added the info to the text.HaEr48 (
talk)
04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
A few references are out of numerical order: [18][16], [23][10], [24][23], [34][10], [50][45]
The maps are fine, although if you intend to move this for a nomination for A-class or FA, "Reino de Granada.svg" would definitely need a more suitable source.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
@
HaEr48: Hi, I've completed a first pass through the article. My comments are above. I will definitely make another pass when I have my own sources at hand later this week. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 09:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Cplakidas: Thanks for your review. Unfortunately you've caught me during a break with limited internet access. I hope I will be able to respond after 1-2 weeks from now. I hope that's okay?
HaEr48 (
talk)
21:29, 8 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
Cplakidas: Thanks for your patience. I've addressed most of your feedback above. There are some unaddressed ones (I've marked them with red comments), mostly because they need more research. I'll get at them in the next few days. In the mean time feel free to add more feedback or review my changes so far.
HaEr48 (
talk)
02:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC)reply
@
HaEr48: Looks good to me. I have no further comments, at least not at the GA stage. Well done. If you need access to my sources (I have a couple of Spanish-language books on al-Andalus, apart from a copy of Kennedy) for other articles, feel free to ping me. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 07:31, 25 June 2019 (UTC)reply
TFA prep
Hi
HaEr48 and other interested editors. This is to let you know that as a part of preparing this article for TFA on 21 January I will be lightly running an eye over it for MoS-compliance and grammar, and possibly tweaking a little of the language to ensure that it is at it's very best for its appearance on the main page. If you have any queries about any of the edits don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks.
Gog the Mild (
talk)
17:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)reply