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- altered $10,000 bail to $10,000 bail and $10,000 surety. The media said it and no one is going to have a $10,000 bail without surety in Australia unless we get rid of common sense.
the exact charge has often been reported as "recklessly, but not intentionally" provided assistance (see e.g. http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/terror-suspect-doctor-given-bail/2007/07/14/1183833812030.html).
The exact charge that AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty has detailed is s 102.7(2) of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth). It explains that the giving of aid itself has to be intentional, which seems to contradict many of the newspaper reports. The "reckless" word appears only in relation to whether the accused is aware that the organisation he has given support/resources is a terrorist organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.35.10 ( talk) 07:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/ There seems not to be a page for this at WP.I'd add the link if I knew how.. Feroshki 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Australian.com.au released on line July 10 the interview with police. It was leaked by his attorney. This interview seems to be unavailable on line now. I am assuming it is not the documents related to the court's determination on visa cancelation. Is this locateable? Kyle Andrew Brown 13:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's an interesting development, reported in the SMH. John Dalton 01:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC) It's spreading across the media now (to the ABC). John Dalton 01:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC) The Australian John Dalton 01:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The latest news is that the government wants him deported ASAP to contain potential fallout. I would guess they are offering to drop the charges in exchange for him agreeing to drop his appeal against the visa cancellation although this isn't clear from the source. Or perhaps they're hoping he'd give up on the appeal rather then spend time in Villawood. I presume he can't actually be deported while his visa cancellation appeal is ongoing right? [1] Nil Einne 06:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure the accusations are actually false. The issue is that they are thoroughly absurd in a truly Kakfa-esque way.
So, for example, it is true that he gave his SIM card to his second cousin. What is absurd is characterizing this act as recklessly rendering support to a terrorist organization.
124.168.33.136 13:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
This is silly. For the accusation to be 'false' it must be proven to be so. The charges were dropped, withdrawn, rescinded - whatever term you prefer to enjoy. There was never the opportunity to prove them false as they never got to trial. Further, from another perspective, on the 2nd of July, the accusations were very real (in that they existed). You could say that the accusations were based upon false assumptions and false information but not that the accusations themselves were false. Laager 12:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I personally don't think it needs to be flagged there, but I do know there are strong feelings about this amongst others. I'll step aside from this one 'cos I can see both sides of this argument. 124.168.33.136 13:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Feroshski's edit to change the wording to avoid the contentious argument that really doesn't advance the cause of a neutral presentations of the facts which, at the end of the day, is what Wikipedia is supposed to be about. And I say this as one who thinks Haneef's tribulations are travesty of justice.
124.168.43.193 05:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
He refused to comment on Haneef's fairness of treatment as he informed media he was simply following anti-terror legislation implemented by the current Liberal government.
I don't like Andrews any more than the next guy, but this seems to be putting words into his mouth. If the sentence is to remain, then I ask that you provide a citation that proves he said it.
58.106.6.113 02:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard that this lawyers had hoped he would stay until his hearing. How does his leaving affect the hearing? Nil Einne 23:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
the ABC Radio reported on the w/e that Immigration had paid for an upgrade to business class to keep Dr H away from media. But today's "AUstralian" says, it was a decision by the airline (Thai)to avoid a scrum in the economy section Feroshki 06:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Totally irrelivant to this discussion page, but may be of some merit in illustrating popular view on the subject; today in a packed auditorium of 1,500+ students studying public relations / journalism at the University of Western Sydney they were asked whether anyone believes he was involved in terrorism, not a hand went up. Whether they believe he was victimised. Every hand was raised. Get his visa back. Every hand. Get an apology. Every hand.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this latest alleged 'web chat' thing pans out. I wonder if it's as solid as the names of known terrorists scrawled into his diary by the federal police? News Limited have taken the liberty to 'reconstruct' what the conversation MAY have gone like. And the only sus part about it is the opening line of "They do not know anything about you. When are you leaving the country?" .. I mean seriously, what the .. ? Jachin 08:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
"Dr Haneef's ensuing detention (the longest without trial in recent Australian history) "
shouldn't that read the longest without charge ? I'm sure just about every case takes more than a few weeks to go to trial! Bramley 12:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Andrews revealed some of the information about his decision to cancel Haneef's visa:
There is a follow up story from Haneef's lawyer:
It is interesting to note that Andrews does not say that he made his decision based on the information released today – just that the information now known supports his decision. Seems a bit fishy ... -- James 13:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
this article states that dr mhamed haneef was arrested on july 2 and released on july 27. why then does it also state that haneef was detained for 12 days. doesnt the period between july 2 ans 27 add up to 25 days? how long was he detained??????? 203.221.68.174 22:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Im not sure really. I think he was detained for 12 days, then he was granted bail but Kevin Andrews cancelled his visa so he was detained further as an illegal immigrant. Anyone know how many days Dr. Haneef spent in detention altogether?
Just reading through this article, one thing missing is a section / title about Political Fallout. Apart from the obvious ramifications to the Government in opinion polls, there is also the stance of other parties. Some Labor left politicians have been heavily criticised for supporting Howard on this issue ( Reference). I'd like to see how the stance was of the major parties, eg Liberal, Labor, Greens, Democrats. I think it would be an interesting and important section. 203.158.43.178 05:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The use of the word 'leak' to describe the release of the AFP interview transcript is pejorative. The chairman of the Queensland Law Society commented "To describe this information as a leak is to completely misdescribe it." 'Leak' suggests the release was illegal, or unethical - it appears the release was neither, therefore I suggest the more neutral term 'release' be used instead. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/19/1982169.htm Just wanted to add my opinion as to how biased this WP article is. It seems nearly every entry is written in a style that supports Dr Haneef. It is really an insult to the neutrality of WP. People have an obligation to present the facts, and all the facts, not just selecting the ones that support their view. It does not matter which side you believe is correct, the point is to present an article with complete and correct facts in a neutral and unbiased manner.
Safe your opinion for yourself. Wiki is not a place to express your gibberish. Besides, this article is neutral enough. 203.49.196.163 00:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.100.228.90 ( talk) 04:40, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
I think the tag at the start of the article stating it is a "current event" should be removed as I don't believe it is current any more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biting mammal ( talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC).
It is still a "current event", read The Australian today 23 August 2007 refuting Kevin "cherry picker" Andrews' claims. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.49.196.163 ( talk) 00:27, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be the trend lately that persons notable for a single event only be covered in an article on the event rather than a biography. Is such an approach appropriate here?-- cj | talk 08:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I've amended the words "residence detention visa" as there is no such visa. The correct term is Residence Determination under s197AB Migration Act. The person is still in detention (under s189 Migration Act) but is permitted to have their place of detention determined to be a particular place in the community. This is another power that can only be exercised by the Minister personally.
I'm not clear on how to link from wiki to external links. Should I link to the legislation? http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6E4ED401C9760993CA257368007DE74A
Do I cite it as a reference? In no sense nonsense 21:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
More evidence has emerged regarding the Haneef case. Someone might want to add it to the article. John Dalton ( talk) 10:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 02:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if I read the article properly but I could not see where it said that he is innocent or guilty. Based on my knowledge of media coverage there was intense media speculation in mid 2007 against this guy and the media tried to portray him as guilty. Then suddenly the media coverage, strangely faded and totally disappeared out of headlines. I do not know what happened after that. I think lots of politics was involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyz887 ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Despite his prolonged detention, no charge was ever brought for him to be innocent or guilty of. He never made it to court and never had to plead innocent or guilty. Haneef faced a massive presumption of guilt instead. The article says "vindicated" which is probably the right word given that Haneef only ever faced accusations and innuendo and not charges. I can understand your confusion as it is indeed an exceptional thing for someone to be detained like Haneef was and not to actually be charged with anything. Maybe the article need to expand on these unusual circumstances? 220.233.191.2 ( talk) 23:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Clarification: "charge" in what I just wrote means "valid charge". The charges which were brought turned out to be a work of fiction, without any supporting evidence. They quickly collapsed, so Haneef never had to answer them. Incidentally here is a recent article that contains a lot of material that should find its way into the article. 220.233.191.2 ( talk) 23:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
As mentioned in the article various translated transcripts have been released, and maybe presented to the courts, of material in the Urdu language. Now, I'm wondering if there's any evidence that Haneef knows the Urdu language. The language is not widely spoken in southern India. Have the original "Urdu" transcripts also been released? Does anyone other than the Australian authorities think they are really Urdu, or that the "translations" are correct? This detail just sounds so odd, that some backup or explanation seems necessary. 198.142.5.241 ( talk) 03:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The entire article is biased towards Haneef's case. It covers evidence which supports him at extravagant length, while sidelining any that does not. If this had not been a provincial Australian affair then there would have been many posters demonstrating that it does not abide by Wikipedia's POV requirements. I am going to point this out now.
Haneef ran like a jackrabbit as soon as the Glasgow terrorist incident occurred. I for one am glad that the police were not inclined to credulously accept his feeble excuse that his daughter was sick in India. A doctor in a responsible position, he did not even advise his hospital that he was leaving. He left his flat in a squalid state, as if he had just taken off on the spur of the moment, quite possibly in panic.
I am glad that the AFP did not buy his story for having only a one-way plane ticket to India: that he did not have the money and he was going to arrange the return fare with his father. How is that a man on a doctor's salary living by himself in a modest flat does not have sufficient funds to purchase a ticket? I would myself judge that even if Haneef was not directly involved in the plot, he most probably knew about his relatives' secret program. He never seems to express shock that they turned out to be fanatics set on murdering innocent people.
And then there are the mysterious messages he got in web chats, ostensibly telling him that he is "not suspected". Doesn't anyone else find these details suggestive of there being a lot more to the story than an innocent doctor taking a very abrupt one way trip back home after he hears his daughter is ill (and we never hear of how this "gravely ill" little girl is doing) coincidentally just days after his cousins were involved in a globally reported story to bomb an airport?
And for the mysterious 150.101.246.227 23:41 who posts in material advantageous to Haneef, written in perfect English but from a WP site that has no other contributions to it, may I ask you whether you are a lawyer, and if so, whether you have some connection to the Haneef case? Currently, Haneef is in the process of suing our Government, though he seemingly has no intention of returning. As detailed above, a poster (Jachin, above) mentions some of the same concerns I have broached, and you meander off dealing at length with questions he did not ask, and slipping past the ones he did. You certainly write like a trained lawyer. It is really not enough to simply assert that the "excerpts from the diary…[the] interrogation [and]… the chat logs" were all "misleading", while giving no indication at all as to why that is so.
There is a strange tendency on behalf of Australia's "progressives" to suck up to fanatical elements who would like nothing more that to see them turned into mince meat in some subway. Haneef may well not be in that category. But as a thinking member of the public, outside of a jury room, I do not have to judge someone as guilty only if there is really no doubt at all that he is. I can judge by my wits and on the balance of probabilities. On that basis, I find that there are enough loose ends in the Haneef story for me to feel relieved that he is no longer here. Eric155 ( talk) 08:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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- altered $10,000 bail to $10,000 bail and $10,000 surety. The media said it and no one is going to have a $10,000 bail without surety in Australia unless we get rid of common sense.
the exact charge has often been reported as "recklessly, but not intentionally" provided assistance (see e.g. http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/terror-suspect-doctor-given-bail/2007/07/14/1183833812030.html).
The exact charge that AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty has detailed is s 102.7(2) of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth). It explains that the giving of aid itself has to be intentional, which seems to contradict many of the newspaper reports. The "reckless" word appears only in relation to whether the accused is aware that the organisation he has given support/resources is a terrorist organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.35.10 ( talk) 07:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skilled-workers/sbs/ There seems not to be a page for this at WP.I'd add the link if I knew how.. Feroshki 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Australian.com.au released on line July 10 the interview with police. It was leaked by his attorney. This interview seems to be unavailable on line now. I am assuming it is not the documents related to the court's determination on visa cancelation. Is this locateable? Kyle Andrew Brown 13:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's an interesting development, reported in the SMH. John Dalton 01:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC) It's spreading across the media now (to the ABC). John Dalton 01:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC) The Australian John Dalton 01:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The latest news is that the government wants him deported ASAP to contain potential fallout. I would guess they are offering to drop the charges in exchange for him agreeing to drop his appeal against the visa cancellation although this isn't clear from the source. Or perhaps they're hoping he'd give up on the appeal rather then spend time in Villawood. I presume he can't actually be deported while his visa cancellation appeal is ongoing right? [1] Nil Einne 06:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure the accusations are actually false. The issue is that they are thoroughly absurd in a truly Kakfa-esque way.
So, for example, it is true that he gave his SIM card to his second cousin. What is absurd is characterizing this act as recklessly rendering support to a terrorist organization.
124.168.33.136 13:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
This is silly. For the accusation to be 'false' it must be proven to be so. The charges were dropped, withdrawn, rescinded - whatever term you prefer to enjoy. There was never the opportunity to prove them false as they never got to trial. Further, from another perspective, on the 2nd of July, the accusations were very real (in that they existed). You could say that the accusations were based upon false assumptions and false information but not that the accusations themselves were false. Laager 12:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I personally don't think it needs to be flagged there, but I do know there are strong feelings about this amongst others. I'll step aside from this one 'cos I can see both sides of this argument. 124.168.33.136 13:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Feroshski's edit to change the wording to avoid the contentious argument that really doesn't advance the cause of a neutral presentations of the facts which, at the end of the day, is what Wikipedia is supposed to be about. And I say this as one who thinks Haneef's tribulations are travesty of justice.
124.168.43.193 05:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
He refused to comment on Haneef's fairness of treatment as he informed media he was simply following anti-terror legislation implemented by the current Liberal government.
I don't like Andrews any more than the next guy, but this seems to be putting words into his mouth. If the sentence is to remain, then I ask that you provide a citation that proves he said it.
58.106.6.113 02:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard that this lawyers had hoped he would stay until his hearing. How does his leaving affect the hearing? Nil Einne 23:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
the ABC Radio reported on the w/e that Immigration had paid for an upgrade to business class to keep Dr H away from media. But today's "AUstralian" says, it was a decision by the airline (Thai)to avoid a scrum in the economy section Feroshki 06:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Totally irrelivant to this discussion page, but may be of some merit in illustrating popular view on the subject; today in a packed auditorium of 1,500+ students studying public relations / journalism at the University of Western Sydney they were asked whether anyone believes he was involved in terrorism, not a hand went up. Whether they believe he was victimised. Every hand was raised. Get his visa back. Every hand. Get an apology. Every hand.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this latest alleged 'web chat' thing pans out. I wonder if it's as solid as the names of known terrorists scrawled into his diary by the federal police? News Limited have taken the liberty to 'reconstruct' what the conversation MAY have gone like. And the only sus part about it is the opening line of "They do not know anything about you. When are you leaving the country?" .. I mean seriously, what the .. ? Jachin 08:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
"Dr Haneef's ensuing detention (the longest without trial in recent Australian history) "
shouldn't that read the longest without charge ? I'm sure just about every case takes more than a few weeks to go to trial! Bramley 12:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Kevin Andrews revealed some of the information about his decision to cancel Haneef's visa:
There is a follow up story from Haneef's lawyer:
It is interesting to note that Andrews does not say that he made his decision based on the information released today – just that the information now known supports his decision. Seems a bit fishy ... -- James 13:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
this article states that dr mhamed haneef was arrested on july 2 and released on july 27. why then does it also state that haneef was detained for 12 days. doesnt the period between july 2 ans 27 add up to 25 days? how long was he detained??????? 203.221.68.174 22:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Im not sure really. I think he was detained for 12 days, then he was granted bail but Kevin Andrews cancelled his visa so he was detained further as an illegal immigrant. Anyone know how many days Dr. Haneef spent in detention altogether?
Just reading through this article, one thing missing is a section / title about Political Fallout. Apart from the obvious ramifications to the Government in opinion polls, there is also the stance of other parties. Some Labor left politicians have been heavily criticised for supporting Howard on this issue ( Reference). I'd like to see how the stance was of the major parties, eg Liberal, Labor, Greens, Democrats. I think it would be an interesting and important section. 203.158.43.178 05:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The use of the word 'leak' to describe the release of the AFP interview transcript is pejorative. The chairman of the Queensland Law Society commented "To describe this information as a leak is to completely misdescribe it." 'Leak' suggests the release was illegal, or unethical - it appears the release was neither, therefore I suggest the more neutral term 'release' be used instead. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/19/1982169.htm Just wanted to add my opinion as to how biased this WP article is. It seems nearly every entry is written in a style that supports Dr Haneef. It is really an insult to the neutrality of WP. People have an obligation to present the facts, and all the facts, not just selecting the ones that support their view. It does not matter which side you believe is correct, the point is to present an article with complete and correct facts in a neutral and unbiased manner.
Safe your opinion for yourself. Wiki is not a place to express your gibberish. Besides, this article is neutral enough. 203.49.196.163 00:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
LOL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.100.228.90 ( talk) 04:40, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
I think the tag at the start of the article stating it is a "current event" should be removed as I don't believe it is current any more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biting mammal ( talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC).
It is still a "current event", read The Australian today 23 August 2007 refuting Kevin "cherry picker" Andrews' claims. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.49.196.163 ( talk) 00:27, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
It seems to be the trend lately that persons notable for a single event only be covered in an article on the event rather than a biography. Is such an approach appropriate here?-- cj | talk 08:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I've amended the words "residence detention visa" as there is no such visa. The correct term is Residence Determination under s197AB Migration Act. The person is still in detention (under s189 Migration Act) but is permitted to have their place of detention determined to be a particular place in the community. This is another power that can only be exercised by the Minister personally.
I'm not clear on how to link from wiki to external links. Should I link to the legislation? http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6E4ED401C9760993CA257368007DE74A
Do I cite it as a reference? In no sense nonsense 21:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
More evidence has emerged regarding the Haneef case. Someone might want to add it to the article. John Dalton ( talk) 10:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 02:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if I read the article properly but I could not see where it said that he is innocent or guilty. Based on my knowledge of media coverage there was intense media speculation in mid 2007 against this guy and the media tried to portray him as guilty. Then suddenly the media coverage, strangely faded and totally disappeared out of headlines. I do not know what happened after that. I think lots of politics was involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyz887 ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Despite his prolonged detention, no charge was ever brought for him to be innocent or guilty of. He never made it to court and never had to plead innocent or guilty. Haneef faced a massive presumption of guilt instead. The article says "vindicated" which is probably the right word given that Haneef only ever faced accusations and innuendo and not charges. I can understand your confusion as it is indeed an exceptional thing for someone to be detained like Haneef was and not to actually be charged with anything. Maybe the article need to expand on these unusual circumstances? 220.233.191.2 ( talk) 23:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Clarification: "charge" in what I just wrote means "valid charge". The charges which were brought turned out to be a work of fiction, without any supporting evidence. They quickly collapsed, so Haneef never had to answer them. Incidentally here is a recent article that contains a lot of material that should find its way into the article. 220.233.191.2 ( talk) 23:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
As mentioned in the article various translated transcripts have been released, and maybe presented to the courts, of material in the Urdu language. Now, I'm wondering if there's any evidence that Haneef knows the Urdu language. The language is not widely spoken in southern India. Have the original "Urdu" transcripts also been released? Does anyone other than the Australian authorities think they are really Urdu, or that the "translations" are correct? This detail just sounds so odd, that some backup or explanation seems necessary. 198.142.5.241 ( talk) 03:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The entire article is biased towards Haneef's case. It covers evidence which supports him at extravagant length, while sidelining any that does not. If this had not been a provincial Australian affair then there would have been many posters demonstrating that it does not abide by Wikipedia's POV requirements. I am going to point this out now.
Haneef ran like a jackrabbit as soon as the Glasgow terrorist incident occurred. I for one am glad that the police were not inclined to credulously accept his feeble excuse that his daughter was sick in India. A doctor in a responsible position, he did not even advise his hospital that he was leaving. He left his flat in a squalid state, as if he had just taken off on the spur of the moment, quite possibly in panic.
I am glad that the AFP did not buy his story for having only a one-way plane ticket to India: that he did not have the money and he was going to arrange the return fare with his father. How is that a man on a doctor's salary living by himself in a modest flat does not have sufficient funds to purchase a ticket? I would myself judge that even if Haneef was not directly involved in the plot, he most probably knew about his relatives' secret program. He never seems to express shock that they turned out to be fanatics set on murdering innocent people.
And then there are the mysterious messages he got in web chats, ostensibly telling him that he is "not suspected". Doesn't anyone else find these details suggestive of there being a lot more to the story than an innocent doctor taking a very abrupt one way trip back home after he hears his daughter is ill (and we never hear of how this "gravely ill" little girl is doing) coincidentally just days after his cousins were involved in a globally reported story to bomb an airport?
And for the mysterious 150.101.246.227 23:41 who posts in material advantageous to Haneef, written in perfect English but from a WP site that has no other contributions to it, may I ask you whether you are a lawyer, and if so, whether you have some connection to the Haneef case? Currently, Haneef is in the process of suing our Government, though he seemingly has no intention of returning. As detailed above, a poster (Jachin, above) mentions some of the same concerns I have broached, and you meander off dealing at length with questions he did not ask, and slipping past the ones he did. You certainly write like a trained lawyer. It is really not enough to simply assert that the "excerpts from the diary…[the] interrogation [and]… the chat logs" were all "misleading", while giving no indication at all as to why that is so.
There is a strange tendency on behalf of Australia's "progressives" to suck up to fanatical elements who would like nothing more that to see them turned into mince meat in some subway. Haneef may well not be in that category. But as a thinking member of the public, outside of a jury room, I do not have to judge someone as guilty only if there is really no doubt at all that he is. I can judge by my wits and on the balance of probabilities. On that basis, I find that there are enough loose ends in the Haneef story for me to feel relieved that he is no longer here. Eric155 ( talk) 08:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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