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Overall I believe strongly that i have found some biases in the article that might apply with the Wiki:NPOV, as a member of Wikipedia community i believe that it is strongly needed for the article to be reedited with a neutral point of view (NPOV) to ensure that information is presented in a way that is knowledgeable for all.
Here are some lines which i strongly believe can be of a fan's point of view:
Article title
The Muhajirs are the most educated, and affluent ethnic group in Pakistan. Because of this, they constituted a influential community in the earlier years of post-partition Pakistan.
Geographic distribution, Pakistan
The muhajir dominance of Urban sindh has led to that region being referred to as Urdu-speaking Sindh.
History
On 14 August 1947, the muhajir led Pakistan movement succeeded in creating an independent state for Indian Muslims under the banner of Pakistan.
The percentage of Muhajirs in the civil service declined while the percentage of non-muhajirs increased.
Society
and pay more taxes than any other ethnic group.
Muhajirs are seen as the most-educated and literate ethnic group in Pakistan. ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️ 📧 ✍️ 06:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Starkex: I also left a message User:Flamealpha123 to avoid personalization of differences. Said that, let us come to content part. Starkex, Article subsections Muhajir (Pakistan)#Economic status and Muhajir (Pakistan)#Education seem to be well cited. And summary statements in lead do not need citation if supported by citations in rest of body text. Do you have any objections on citations used in these two subsections? Bookku ( talk) 09:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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people who came from India to Pakistan were Refugees not migrants. 94.202.214.83 ( talk) 14:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
The description of the page it is written as "Ethnolinguistic group...", I think there are mass errors with the description Muhajirs being ethnolinguistic, @ Flamealpha123 do you understand the difference between Ethnoreligious and Ethnolinguistic and have you compared them both in contrast with the history of Muhajirs since 1947? I think you don't understand why migration of Indianized Muslims from India to Pakistan happened. ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️ 📧 ✍️ 12:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Deepfriedokra: since you're the admin who semi-protected, I think it's a good idea to extend the semi-protection. Because between the time you protected and now, a number of accounts have edit warred. Mostly it was one promotional editor. But regardless of that user, this is an article that's edit warred enough on, so I don't think allowing the semi-protection to end is a good idea. It's better for this article to remain semi-protected for the foreseeable future. Sylvester Millner ( talk) 05:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Muhajirs refers to the Muslim immigrants from the present-day India, who immigrated to Pakistan. The term 'Muhajir' is itself a Muslim term. So, Christianity is irrelevant here. 103.169.65.150 ( talk) 11:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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The descendants of those Muslims, who immigrated to Pakistan from present-day India, do not call themselves Muhajirs. 'Muhajir' was the term only used for those individual immigrants, who immigrated to Pakistan, from present-day India. Just as Muhacir were only the individual Turks, who immigrated to Turkey from the areas,which formerly used to be under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. The term literally means 'immigrant', It should not be applied to all Urdu speakers, Gujarati speakers, and Tamil speakers, just because, some minorities among them, call themselves a 'Muhajir'. The universal accepted term for them, are " Urdu-speaking people", "Pakistani Gujarati-speaking people", "Pakistani Tamil-speaking people", etc. Even Anwar Maqsood and Farooq Sattar have talked regarding the term. I would humbly request these articles to be created and/or to improve them. [1] Darlingliterature ( talk) 14:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | Muhajir (Pakistan) ( final version) received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which on 18 June 2023 was archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
![]() | Muhajir (Pakistan) ( final version) received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which on 4 February 2023 was archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
![]() | Muhajir (Pakistan) was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 10, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
![]() | Persecution of Muhajirs was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 23 August 2020 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Muhajir (Pakistan). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
![]() | On 19 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mahajir (Pakistan) to Muhajir (Pakistan). The result of the discussion was moved. |
![]() | On 29 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Muhajir people to Muhajir (Urdu-speaking). The result of the discussion was moved to Muhajir (Urdu-speaking people). |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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![]() | This article is written in Pakistani English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, realise, travelled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
![]() | The use of the contentious topics procedure has been authorised by the community for pages related to South Asian social groups, including this page. Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned. |
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Overall I believe strongly that i have found some biases in the article that might apply with the Wiki:NPOV, as a member of Wikipedia community i believe that it is strongly needed for the article to be reedited with a neutral point of view (NPOV) to ensure that information is presented in a way that is knowledgeable for all.
Here are some lines which i strongly believe can be of a fan's point of view:
Article title
The Muhajirs are the most educated, and affluent ethnic group in Pakistan. Because of this, they constituted a influential community in the earlier years of post-partition Pakistan.
Geographic distribution, Pakistan
The muhajir dominance of Urban sindh has led to that region being referred to as Urdu-speaking Sindh.
History
On 14 August 1947, the muhajir led Pakistan movement succeeded in creating an independent state for Indian Muslims under the banner of Pakistan.
The percentage of Muhajirs in the civil service declined while the percentage of non-muhajirs increased.
Society
and pay more taxes than any other ethnic group.
Muhajirs are seen as the most-educated and literate ethnic group in Pakistan. ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️ 📧 ✍️ 06:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Starkex: I also left a message User:Flamealpha123 to avoid personalization of differences. Said that, let us come to content part. Starkex, Article subsections Muhajir (Pakistan)#Economic status and Muhajir (Pakistan)#Education seem to be well cited. And summary statements in lead do not need citation if supported by citations in rest of body text. Do you have any objections on citations used in these two subsections? Bookku ( talk) 09:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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people who came from India to Pakistan were Refugees not migrants. 94.202.214.83 ( talk) 14:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
The description of the page it is written as "Ethnolinguistic group...", I think there are mass errors with the description Muhajirs being ethnolinguistic, @ Flamealpha123 do you understand the difference between Ethnoreligious and Ethnolinguistic and have you compared them both in contrast with the history of Muhajirs since 1947? I think you don't understand why migration of Indianized Muslims from India to Pakistan happened. ⭐️ Starkex ⭐️ 📧 ✍️ 12:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Deepfriedokra: since you're the admin who semi-protected, I think it's a good idea to extend the semi-protection. Because between the time you protected and now, a number of accounts have edit warred. Mostly it was one promotional editor. But regardless of that user, this is an article that's edit warred enough on, so I don't think allowing the semi-protection to end is a good idea. It's better for this article to remain semi-protected for the foreseeable future. Sylvester Millner ( talk) 05:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Muhajirs refers to the Muslim immigrants from the present-day India, who immigrated to Pakistan. The term 'Muhajir' is itself a Muslim term. So, Christianity is irrelevant here. 103.169.65.150 ( talk) 11:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The descendants of those Muslims, who immigrated to Pakistan from present-day India, do not call themselves Muhajirs. 'Muhajir' was the term only used for those individual immigrants, who immigrated to Pakistan, from present-day India. Just as Muhacir were only the individual Turks, who immigrated to Turkey from the areas,which formerly used to be under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. The term literally means 'immigrant', It should not be applied to all Urdu speakers, Gujarati speakers, and Tamil speakers, just because, some minorities among them, call themselves a 'Muhajir'. The universal accepted term for them, are " Urdu-speaking people", "Pakistani Gujarati-speaking people", "Pakistani Tamil-speaking people", etc. Even Anwar Maqsood and Farooq Sattar have talked regarding the term. I would humbly request these articles to be created and/or to improve them. [1] Darlingliterature ( talk) 14:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)