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This external link is broken: http://www.livemaster.org/archive/KujiIn_front_low.wmv {{user Birmingham, Alabama}} 20:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There was a large, unattributed excerpt from a webpage that was sloppily pasted into the article. I got rid of it. Was this the right thing to do? Sengge 20:21, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
the music article and the religious one should be seperate.
Could someone knowledgeable have a look at Image:VairochanaMingCopper.jpg? The plaque in the museum says "Vairochana is seated with his hands in the gesture of anointing (abhisheka mudra)." There is only confusing information online and none here; an explanation would be great. Melchoir 00:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I heard that this kind of hand seals are used in many other areas, e.g. these are used in Buddhism, Taoism, Ninjutsu etc. The article should probably expand on these areas. [1], [2] [3] [4] Kowloonese 01:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I found exist these other mudras (Ashvini Mudra, Maha Mudra, Viparitakarani Mudra, Yoga Mudra), they involve the use of the entire body but there is no mention of them in the article; is there someone that can explain it? I know almost nothing about yoga or Hinduism.-- Dia^ 09:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
An informing cross-cultural correlate to Mudra is evidenced in the technique of
anchoring within
Neuro-linguistic programming... the correlation is intuitive and pointed...deixis: martial arts discourse may furnish a marriage of anchoring with mudra.
Count ur blessings!
B9 hummingbird hovering (
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B9 hummingbird hovering ( talk • contribs) 05:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Twilight language (and the Sanskrit term from which it is rendered) is a valuable categorisation term that fords dialogue between mutually informing technologies and processes. I am
godsmacked how you can dismiss it out of turn.
[1]
B9 hummingbird hovering (
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References
Would there be any objection to use of the Harvnb template for citations, placed within footnotes (not as visible inline Harvard-style citations)? Since there are almost no references for this article, it seems like a good time to add some and install better critical apparatus. Buddhipriya 04:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This unsourced article makes many general statements and gives an impression of being mainly concerned with Buddhist iconography. Uses of these gestures in Hinduism may differ. Most of the sources that I have on hand that could be used for this article pertain to Hinduism. I am unsure how to proceed on some of these specific gestures, because of lack of familiarity with Buddhist art. Since it is almost entirely unsourced, are there any feelings about how to deal with this issue? Buddhipriya 03:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
What does "the left hand hanging down on the right side of the while standing" mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Epopt ( talk • contribs) 17:32, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
This is not only near-incomprehensible, but incorrect:
What is the basis for the last sentence? In the meantime, I've rewritten the lead as follows:
Comments welcome. Jpatokal ( talk) 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Is Namasté not a mudra? __ meco ( talk) 08:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
the word "mudra" is a gay lingo for mother in the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.247.76 ( talk) 15:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I find it difficult to understand many the descriptions. I think it would help to have illustrations (drawings or photographs) to illustrate each mudra discussed?-- Gak ( talk) 13:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I will create some illustrations. Stay tuned. Riwo ( talk) 04:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
There are examples of what look (to me anyway) like mudras in the art of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Christ is often portrayed with his index and middle fingers extended, like the Cub Scout sign, or with his fingers in other (apparently intentional) arrangements.
~~Ted~~
I had to remove the following section because it was misleading. The research is about interpretation of hand gestures and not about performing hand gestures. The articles states that recognizing hand gestures stimulates the same regions of the brain as interpreting a language. Performing hand gestures does not do the same.
References
For some time, this mudra was spelled as "Dhyāna Mudrā", a different mudra which has its own subsection. Having attempted to amend this, I don't know the proper accent marks for Gyana Mudrā, and the subsection's title spelling now has different accent marks from the subsection's text's spelling of Gyana. Is either spelling correct? Expert help requested, and thanks.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 19:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Given that there are related articles called " List of mudras (dance)" and " List of mudras (yoga)," it would stand to reason that this article is not a place to list mudras, but rather to give an overview of what they, where they come from, and to compare various mudra traditions. I recommend removing the lists here, expanding the lists in related articles, and adding some references to support al of it. Morganfitzp ( talk) 19:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster records Mudra used in English in 1811, so it's had over 200 years to assimilate into English: it's an English word now, wherever it came from.
Mudra has been widely used in English since before 1900, see this Ngram. As such it is different from the foreign word that it was borrowed from; asserting that it's still foreign is an Etymological fallacy: both the spelling and the meaning are free to shift with patterns of English usage, which may (fortunately or unfortunately according to taste) differ from usage in Hinduism or Buddhism (and those two are different from each other).
To save having this discussion at 100 talk pages, I suggest we continue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yoga#Terms in wide use accepted into English are not foreign and should not be italicised.
Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Mudras in Taoist tradition not mention. There are some overlap with Buddhist/Hindu traditiional mudras. Main difference is there is more weaving of fingers (and complex weaving of fingers).
2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk)Ted 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk) 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk) 06:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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This external link is broken: http://www.livemaster.org/archive/KujiIn_front_low.wmv {{user Birmingham, Alabama}} 20:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
There was a large, unattributed excerpt from a webpage that was sloppily pasted into the article. I got rid of it. Was this the right thing to do? Sengge 20:21, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
the music article and the religious one should be seperate.
Could someone knowledgeable have a look at Image:VairochanaMingCopper.jpg? The plaque in the museum says "Vairochana is seated with his hands in the gesture of anointing (abhisheka mudra)." There is only confusing information online and none here; an explanation would be great. Melchoir 00:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I heard that this kind of hand seals are used in many other areas, e.g. these are used in Buddhism, Taoism, Ninjutsu etc. The article should probably expand on these areas. [1], [2] [3] [4] Kowloonese 01:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I found exist these other mudras (Ashvini Mudra, Maha Mudra, Viparitakarani Mudra, Yoga Mudra), they involve the use of the entire body but there is no mention of them in the article; is there someone that can explain it? I know almost nothing about yoga or Hinduism.-- Dia^ 09:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
An informing cross-cultural correlate to Mudra is evidenced in the technique of
anchoring within
Neuro-linguistic programming... the correlation is intuitive and pointed...deixis: martial arts discourse may furnish a marriage of anchoring with mudra.
Count ur blessings!
B9 hummingbird hovering (
talk •
contribs) 17:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
B9 hummingbird hovering ( talk • contribs) 05:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Twilight language (and the Sanskrit term from which it is rendered) is a valuable categorisation term that fords dialogue between mutually informing technologies and processes. I am
godsmacked how you can dismiss it out of turn.
[1]
B9 hummingbird hovering (
talk •
contribs) 01:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
References
Would there be any objection to use of the Harvnb template for citations, placed within footnotes (not as visible inline Harvard-style citations)? Since there are almost no references for this article, it seems like a good time to add some and install better critical apparatus. Buddhipriya 04:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This unsourced article makes many general statements and gives an impression of being mainly concerned with Buddhist iconography. Uses of these gestures in Hinduism may differ. Most of the sources that I have on hand that could be used for this article pertain to Hinduism. I am unsure how to proceed on some of these specific gestures, because of lack of familiarity with Buddhist art. Since it is almost entirely unsourced, are there any feelings about how to deal with this issue? Buddhipriya 03:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
What does "the left hand hanging down on the right side of the while standing" mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Epopt ( talk • contribs) 17:32, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
This is not only near-incomprehensible, but incorrect:
What is the basis for the last sentence? In the meantime, I've rewritten the lead as follows:
Comments welcome. Jpatokal ( talk) 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Is Namasté not a mudra? __ meco ( talk) 08:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
the word "mudra" is a gay lingo for mother in the Philippines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.247.76 ( talk) 15:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I find it difficult to understand many the descriptions. I think it would help to have illustrations (drawings or photographs) to illustrate each mudra discussed?-- Gak ( talk) 13:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I will create some illustrations. Stay tuned. Riwo ( talk) 04:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
There are examples of what look (to me anyway) like mudras in the art of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Christ is often portrayed with his index and middle fingers extended, like the Cub Scout sign, or with his fingers in other (apparently intentional) arrangements.
~~Ted~~
I had to remove the following section because it was misleading. The research is about interpretation of hand gestures and not about performing hand gestures. The articles states that recognizing hand gestures stimulates the same regions of the brain as interpreting a language. Performing hand gestures does not do the same.
References
For some time, this mudra was spelled as "Dhyāna Mudrā", a different mudra which has its own subsection. Having attempted to amend this, I don't know the proper accent marks for Gyana Mudrā, and the subsection's title spelling now has different accent marks from the subsection's text's spelling of Gyana. Is either spelling correct? Expert help requested, and thanks.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 19:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Given that there are related articles called " List of mudras (dance)" and " List of mudras (yoga)," it would stand to reason that this article is not a place to list mudras, but rather to give an overview of what they, where they come from, and to compare various mudra traditions. I recommend removing the lists here, expanding the lists in related articles, and adding some references to support al of it. Morganfitzp ( talk) 19:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster records Mudra used in English in 1811, so it's had over 200 years to assimilate into English: it's an English word now, wherever it came from.
Mudra has been widely used in English since before 1900, see this Ngram. As such it is different from the foreign word that it was borrowed from; asserting that it's still foreign is an Etymological fallacy: both the spelling and the meaning are free to shift with patterns of English usage, which may (fortunately or unfortunately according to taste) differ from usage in Hinduism or Buddhism (and those two are different from each other).
To save having this discussion at 100 talk pages, I suggest we continue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yoga#Terms in wide use accepted into English are not foreign and should not be italicised.
Chiswick Chap ( talk) 09:43, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Mudras in Taoist tradition not mention. There are some overlap with Buddhist/Hindu traditiional mudras. Main difference is there is more weaving of fingers (and complex weaving of fingers).
2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk)Ted 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk) 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:F9FB:7822:6AEA:A659 ( talk) 06:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)