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I'm sorry I didn't make it to the official peer review! I have tried to make up for this by copyediting the article a bit. I do have a few questions as a result (of course):
I hope these suggestions are helpful. Awadewit ( talk) 02:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I have looked at WP:Creation and usage of media files, which gives technical information which I don't really undrstand. It gives a link to WP:Sound/list, which lists available PD recordings. There's a lot of Mozart there, but nothing from the Italian journeys period - although the list is evidently "incomplete". Another link to WP:Music samples indicates that short clips of non-free music, no more than 10% of the work's length, may in some circumstances be used. I am no wiser as to the process for actually creating a sound file.
That's all I've found out so far. I have also written to User:Shoemaker's Holiday, as this may still be the quickest way of getting what we want. Brianboulton ( talk) 11:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"As for the Mozart in Italy request - I've checked my usual archives - one seems to have gotten a big sampling of material from a Freemason - LOTS of Zauberflote, nothing else by Mozart, the other didn't have anything. I have checked, there IS a PD recording by Geraldine Farrar, but I haven't found it.
Now, that said, I've made several enquiries, and think I should be able to at least arrange a piano-and-voice recording of one or more of the works in question. If nothing else, I can give you an excellent link: http://downloadmozart.com/ has full, no-commercial-use (Drat!) but otherwise free-licensed copies of... pretty much everything Mozart ever wrote, including the Betulia Liberata, all the operas in question, and so on. We may not be able to use it on Wikipedia, but we can certainly link there. I've sent an e-mail to them about relaxing the licensing for some pieces or parts of pieces; we shall see if anything comes of that."
I did add notes about Myslivecek's relationship with Mozart in this article, however the significance of their relationship was questioned. In light of the research presented in the study cited, Freeman 2009, there can be no question that he was a major influence on Mozart, both in terms of musical style and personal relations. Contrary to what the individual who questioned this significance seems to believe, the community of Mozart scholars in western Europe and the United States has not made a decision in this matter by carefully examining Myslivecek's music and rejecting the possibility of his influence, rather these scholars have simply not looked at his music at all and have ignored the considerable number of letters in the Mozart correspondence that document the closeness of his personal relationship with the Mozart family. The reasons for the neglect of Myslivecek by Mozart scholars is documented in the same study.
Something's wrong here: I can only suggest a member of the Marulli family, principi di Sant'Angelo dei Lombardi.-- Wetman ( talk) 01:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The borders of the map are wrong for the time period. This is a modern map of Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.209.27.142 ( talk) 04:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, Bolzano was a name that came into use in the early 20th Century. The city was exclusively called Bozen at the time. If you want to be historically acurate then change it or include both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.209.25.59 ( talk) 08:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
No one has "talked" on the talk page for going-on four years, so I wanted to mention (after some years of reflection) that I feel like this article is the epitome of what WP can accomplish that traditional music dictionaries (including great ones like Grove) struggle to do. What we have here is, in a reasonable length article that can be digested in an hour or two, a wonderful introduction to an important part of a major composer's life and career. To try to fit all of this into a "Mozart" article is to say that a reader cannot increase his or her knowledge of the composer in any way without digging into a book-length treatment of the composer. To cut it out is to say that the depth of scholarship on Mozart would have no interest to anyone who is not a professional musicologist. By pulling out a significant part of the composer's life into a separate article, WP and the authors of the article have achieved the best of all possible worlds -- making this knowledge accessible without being overwhelming. Articles such as this one were, mostly, born at a time when WP was more stringent in enforcing limits on article lengths, and I wish it would be again so that its purpose in being the world's encyclopedia can continue to flourish. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 08:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
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I'm sorry I didn't make it to the official peer review! I have tried to make up for this by copyediting the article a bit. I do have a few questions as a result (of course):
I hope these suggestions are helpful. Awadewit ( talk) 02:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I have looked at WP:Creation and usage of media files, which gives technical information which I don't really undrstand. It gives a link to WP:Sound/list, which lists available PD recordings. There's a lot of Mozart there, but nothing from the Italian journeys period - although the list is evidently "incomplete". Another link to WP:Music samples indicates that short clips of non-free music, no more than 10% of the work's length, may in some circumstances be used. I am no wiser as to the process for actually creating a sound file.
That's all I've found out so far. I have also written to User:Shoemaker's Holiday, as this may still be the quickest way of getting what we want. Brianboulton ( talk) 11:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"As for the Mozart in Italy request - I've checked my usual archives - one seems to have gotten a big sampling of material from a Freemason - LOTS of Zauberflote, nothing else by Mozart, the other didn't have anything. I have checked, there IS a PD recording by Geraldine Farrar, but I haven't found it.
Now, that said, I've made several enquiries, and think I should be able to at least arrange a piano-and-voice recording of one or more of the works in question. If nothing else, I can give you an excellent link: http://downloadmozart.com/ has full, no-commercial-use (Drat!) but otherwise free-licensed copies of... pretty much everything Mozart ever wrote, including the Betulia Liberata, all the operas in question, and so on. We may not be able to use it on Wikipedia, but we can certainly link there. I've sent an e-mail to them about relaxing the licensing for some pieces or parts of pieces; we shall see if anything comes of that."
I did add notes about Myslivecek's relationship with Mozart in this article, however the significance of their relationship was questioned. In light of the research presented in the study cited, Freeman 2009, there can be no question that he was a major influence on Mozart, both in terms of musical style and personal relations. Contrary to what the individual who questioned this significance seems to believe, the community of Mozart scholars in western Europe and the United States has not made a decision in this matter by carefully examining Myslivecek's music and rejecting the possibility of his influence, rather these scholars have simply not looked at his music at all and have ignored the considerable number of letters in the Mozart correspondence that document the closeness of his personal relationship with the Mozart family. The reasons for the neglect of Myslivecek by Mozart scholars is documented in the same study.
Something's wrong here: I can only suggest a member of the Marulli family, principi di Sant'Angelo dei Lombardi.-- Wetman ( talk) 01:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The borders of the map are wrong for the time period. This is a modern map of Italy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.209.27.142 ( talk) 04:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Furthermore, Bolzano was a name that came into use in the early 20th Century. The city was exclusively called Bozen at the time. If you want to be historically acurate then change it or include both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.209.25.59 ( talk) 08:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
No one has "talked" on the talk page for going-on four years, so I wanted to mention (after some years of reflection) that I feel like this article is the epitome of what WP can accomplish that traditional music dictionaries (including great ones like Grove) struggle to do. What we have here is, in a reasonable length article that can be digested in an hour or two, a wonderful introduction to an important part of a major composer's life and career. To try to fit all of this into a "Mozart" article is to say that a reader cannot increase his or her knowledge of the composer in any way without digging into a book-length treatment of the composer. To cut it out is to say that the depth of scholarship on Mozart would have no interest to anyone who is not a professional musicologist. By pulling out a significant part of the composer's life into a separate article, WP and the authors of the article have achieved the best of all possible worlds -- making this knowledge accessible without being overwhelming. Articles such as this one were, mostly, born at a time when WP was more stringent in enforcing limits on article lengths, and I wish it would be again so that its purpose in being the world's encyclopedia can continue to flourish. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 08:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)