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Brianboulton ( talk) 22:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Brianboulton ( talk) 00:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering what the rationale was behind this 'M small f G T' capitalization. Can anyone tell me? Otherwise I'm inclined to change it to 'Mfgt'. Thanks. -- Klein zach 13:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
"The Grand Tour was the traditional travel of Europe undertaken by mainly upper-class European young men of means. . . . The New York Times described the Grand Tour in this way: Three hundred years ago, wealthy young Englishmen began taking a post-Oxbridge trek through France and Italy in search of art, culture and the roots of Western civilization. With nearly unlimited funds, aristocratic connections and months (or years) to roam, they commissioned paintings, perfected their language skills and mingled with the upper crust of the Continent."
I lean ever so slightly toward caps. Even though what the Mozart family did was not really a Grand Tour in the standard sense, the title (at least as I read it) is invoking the traditional Grand Tour as a metaphor, and thus makes more sense with caps.
Another possibility to consider is to adopt a more literal (and less elegant) title, such as "Mozart's childhood travels". Regards to all, Opus33 ( talk) 15:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Nice to see an interesting article on an unusual topic as a front page FA. Congratulations! Tempshill ( talk) 21:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This article never seems to have been a "Did you know..." article, which is a pity, because I've got the perfect hook: "Did you know that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart proposed marriage to Marie Antoinette when they were both seven years old?" — An gr 11:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
"The next stage of the journey took them to the Austrian Netherlands,[29] where they visited Liège" Liege isn't in Austria...not according to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.69.8.165 ( talk) 16:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says Leopold saw it as "his duty, as a Catholic and a German, to display the talents of his miraculous children."
I am wondering what being Catholic has to do with it. Had the elder Mozart been a Protestant, would he not have seen it as his duty? Would Bach or Handel not have been so motivated due to their Protestantism?
For that matter, I'm not sure being German is relevant to his motivation either, though given the preeminence of many German composers, I suppose it could be argued. Sca ( talk) 19:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Brianboulton,
I am not offended (please view my user page regarding the German aspect.) But, out of context, this sentiment from Sadie raises for the general reader the questions explored above. The general reader of course has not read Sadie's biography, and the phrase, "as a Catholic and German," seems to come out of nowhere.
Rest assured, the article and its subject are interesting — a slice of Mozart's early life. Thank you for writing it. Sca ( talk) 23:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm removing, pending discussion at least, the link in the lead paragraph from the displayed word journey to Grand Tour. If you read this article then Grand Tour, it is (I feel) obvious, from the first sentence of Grand Tour onwards, that the only thing in common between the two is that they involve travel round Europe. Put crudely, the "mainly upper-class European young men of means" of the Grand Tour were buying and the Mozart family, who were not upper-class or of means but pretty much servant-class musicians, were selling. Every line I read further into Grand Tour convinces me that the link doesn't make sense - you might as well link it to anything else listed at Grand_Tour_(disambiguation) and try to claim relevance. So I've zapped the link/but what d'you think? Thanks and best wishes, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered ( talk) 10:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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Brianboulton ( talk) 22:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Brianboulton ( talk) 00:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering what the rationale was behind this 'M small f G T' capitalization. Can anyone tell me? Otherwise I'm inclined to change it to 'Mfgt'. Thanks. -- Klein zach 13:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
"The Grand Tour was the traditional travel of Europe undertaken by mainly upper-class European young men of means. . . . The New York Times described the Grand Tour in this way: Three hundred years ago, wealthy young Englishmen began taking a post-Oxbridge trek through France and Italy in search of art, culture and the roots of Western civilization. With nearly unlimited funds, aristocratic connections and months (or years) to roam, they commissioned paintings, perfected their language skills and mingled with the upper crust of the Continent."
I lean ever so slightly toward caps. Even though what the Mozart family did was not really a Grand Tour in the standard sense, the title (at least as I read it) is invoking the traditional Grand Tour as a metaphor, and thus makes more sense with caps.
Another possibility to consider is to adopt a more literal (and less elegant) title, such as "Mozart's childhood travels". Regards to all, Opus33 ( talk) 15:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Nice to see an interesting article on an unusual topic as a front page FA. Congratulations! Tempshill ( talk) 21:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
This article never seems to have been a "Did you know..." article, which is a pity, because I've got the perfect hook: "Did you know that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart proposed marriage to Marie Antoinette when they were both seven years old?" — An gr 11:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
"The next stage of the journey took them to the Austrian Netherlands,[29] where they visited Liège" Liege isn't in Austria...not according to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.69.8.165 ( talk) 16:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The article says Leopold saw it as "his duty, as a Catholic and a German, to display the talents of his miraculous children."
I am wondering what being Catholic has to do with it. Had the elder Mozart been a Protestant, would he not have seen it as his duty? Would Bach or Handel not have been so motivated due to their Protestantism?
For that matter, I'm not sure being German is relevant to his motivation either, though given the preeminence of many German composers, I suppose it could be argued. Sca ( talk) 19:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Brianboulton,
I am not offended (please view my user page regarding the German aspect.) But, out of context, this sentiment from Sadie raises for the general reader the questions explored above. The general reader of course has not read Sadie's biography, and the phrase, "as a Catholic and German," seems to come out of nowhere.
Rest assured, the article and its subject are interesting — a slice of Mozart's early life. Thank you for writing it. Sca ( talk) 23:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm removing, pending discussion at least, the link in the lead paragraph from the displayed word journey to Grand Tour. If you read this article then Grand Tour, it is (I feel) obvious, from the first sentence of Grand Tour onwards, that the only thing in common between the two is that they involve travel round Europe. Put crudely, the "mainly upper-class European young men of means" of the Grand Tour were buying and the Mozart family, who were not upper-class or of means but pretty much servant-class musicians, were selling. Every line I read further into Grand Tour convinces me that the link doesn't make sense - you might as well link it to anything else listed at Grand_Tour_(disambiguation) and try to claim relevance. So I've zapped the link/but what d'you think? Thanks and best wishes, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered ( talk) 10:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)