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I included safety warnings, even tho Monadnock is different from Sodium or Florine. As Dennis Hopper's character said, "I know, sometimes he goes too far. He's the first to admit it." Well, probably i haven't left anything out, and hopefully it's easier to edit out than edit in. Have at it. -- Jerzy 06:39, 2003 Nov 20 (UTC)
But I'm not sure warnings belong here - it seems to me, wikipedia could put similar warnings in every article about a mountain or trail or ski area - or almost anything. I'd like to take them all out, I think - maybe reduce it to one sentence along the lines of "Despite the popularity, Monadnock remains dangerous enough to require caution" or something better-written that that. - DavidWBrooks 14:26, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Yeah, but this is an encyclopedia, not a how-to guide. Having said that, I think your mountain safety idea is excellent: Wanna implement it? DavidWBrooks 22:09, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
An editor summarized the removal of red-font markup by a question abt Monadnock's death and injury rate per year.
There won't of course be any record of injury rate, since the term is ill-defined, and i don't have any annual death- or rescue-rate figures. However:
On busy summer days, at the summit, a uniformed on-duty ranger sits, apparently enjoying the view. "It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it", right? In fact, a similar question has been asked without irony: "It looks like you've got light duty today; is that a matter of seniority, or does every one get a turn at it?"
The answer is that only one person does that duty, bcz no other ranger assigned to M'k is able to climb from the ranger station at the main entrance to the summit several times in the same day, and that is how often, on the high-volume summer days that build the estimates that say M'k is a highly climbed mtn, the ranger at the top is notified that someone (presumably nearly always somewhere down the mtn a ways, on any of a variety of trails) is in trouble. I presume that some of them are already injured, that others have decided they shouldn't continue either up or down and are waiting to be told what to do about it, and that others have lost enuf of their judgement to dehydration and/or low blood sugar that they can't see what is obvious to the person notifying the ranger: they are the scene of a race among discouragement, stubbornness, and the ranger, whose outcome determines where they fit into the statistics.
So IMO the question should not focus on the injuries and deaths, but on
As to the red type, i am restoring some of it pending further discussion, in the belief that the removing editor either
"Since 1990, it has been suggested that so many of Fuji's climbers have shifted to new public transportation that Monadnock's annual total of foot traffic now exceeds Fuji's."
I keep hearing claims along those lines, mostly from New Hamphire tourism committees. But I can't find any sign of such a transport system in, say, maps or photos of Mt Fuji. There's a choice of buses to get to a "fifth station" at about 2400 meters on a few different sides, but from any of those you still have to hike about a thousand meters(comparable to the total elevation of Mt Monadnock) [I edited this sentence after having originally pulled a NASA and mixed feet and meters] to reach the summit - not the kind of thing that would disqualify Fuji as "most hiked mountain in the world" based on "annual total of foot traffic." Has anybody SEEN this supposed 'new public transportation' on Fuji??
BTW, the NH parks department compiles estimates of Monadnock traffic as part of their budget projection process. I'll post a link in a minute.
And on a third topic, I don't think any warning is justified. Yes, there are plenty of injuries in terms of annual numbers, but that's because Monadnock is a very crowded place. Would you include a warning in an article about a movie theater, a sports stadium, or a city sidewalk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 21:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
like this
I found it: http://www.nhstateparks.org/ParksPages/Monadnock/MMP040103/monadnockmasterplanch1Final.pdf
"Today, approximately 95,000 visitors come to the state park annually." This report was written in 2003. The state park includes the summit, nearly all the hiking trails, the parking lots, a picnic area, and cross-country-ski trails. Some hikers use trails that start outside the state park and may be harder to count, but this is a very small percentage of the total: the non-park trailheads don't have any parking!
So where did the 125,000 figure come from?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 16:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Back to the Fuji bus question: I made an edit that makes it clear that Fuji's buses don't go all the way to the top and removes the deceptive and plagiarized phrase "total foot traffic". I originally included the following sentence, but decided it came too close to taking a position and is too detailed for the top of the article:
"Whether it's fair to disqualify a hiker who starts from Fuji's highest bus station at 2,380 meters, and gains 1,396 meters on foot, compared to hikers on Mt Monadnock who experience under 600 meters of elevation gain but have climbed "the whole mountain", is debatable." Would it be worthwhile to devote some kind of sidebar to this question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 16:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
you wrote: "..state park authority estimates that 95,000 people climbed to the top in 2003". That's not precisely what they said. I'm editing that sentence so as not to put words in their mouths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 22:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I am a huge fan of Mount Monadnock, and I actually grew up in the next town over, but having spent a large chunk of time in China, I have to say I really doubt that Mount Monadnock surpasses any of the important Chinese mountains (Tai Shan, Wutai Shan, Huang Shan, Hua Shan even Changbai Shan etc...)in terms of numbers of climbers per year. Is there any hard numbers on this? I feel like the NH Tourist Bureau has really strung people along. It's a bit irresponsible. W. Little — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.85.106 ( talk) 16:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi just came across this old discussion, if anybody is still interested. I can't comment on the Chinese mountains, but Snowdon/Yr Wyddfa [1] in North Wales is claimed by the National Park Authority to have 400,000 visitors [2] to the summit every year, with another 100,000 on the mountain railway. The NPA has never made the most climbed claim itself, but it has been made by others including the popular UK mountain and hill walking magazine Trail [3]. Having done the climb many times myself, I can attest to the popularity of the mountain, I have sometimes had to queue for the summit. The shortest path to the summit has a vertical climb of about 600m, while the longest are about 1000m. Flossiesheep ( talk) 10:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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I've climbed Monadnock maybe 100 times in my life, mostly without much meandering off the trails. I've heard locals talk about a large cave on the mountain. Many people have told me it's in such and such a place or such and such another place but I never seem to be able to find it.
Is it just some local folklore or is there actually a significantly sized cave on the mountain? And would anyone care to describe where it is for us discussion page lurkers? Perhaps a photo? Glippy00 11:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
From what I have read of the wikipedia image guidelines, the original panorama does not meet them. The picture has visible seams for one thing, and for another, the left and right sides don't match up. Also, the guidelines state that bigger is better and images should have a resolution of at LEAST 1000. The original panorama's vertical resolution is only 518 pixels tall, yet nearly as wide as my image which is twice as tall.
The guidelines also state that the image should not be compressed too much. An image that size should not be a mere 380K. That is part of the reason it is so blurry.
These policies of having large images which are not over comrpessed go against what you said about having pity on people with slow net connections. When you click a thumbnail you get a larger version. When you click that larger version you get a full sized image. Those with slow net connections need not click for the full sized version. You might as well argue that the original image is too wide for people with an 800x600 display which is what a good 50% of PC's on the market are set to.
You also said my image doesn't add anything new. I counter that my image shows off the beauty of the mountain better than the original image, which looks flat and boring. I have many other very nice pictures of the mountain which I was considering submitting, but if the people maintaining wikipedia think awful images like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC_0456.JPG are good enough, then what's the point? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scswift ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
I believe that the story about the wolfs and setting fires etc, is a myth, if there is a source for this please cite it or move this subject out of history and into folklore. thanks, Strangealibi 19:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The infobox needs a good photo of the mountain. For a mountain that is reportedly the second most climbed in the world, hard to believe we don't have any good photos. RedWolf 03:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The statement "Herman Melville compared the hump of Moby Dick to Monadnock when describing Captain Ahab's final struggle with the whale." is not correct. It was Mt. Greylock in Adams, MA that was his inspiration. He could view this mountain from the very room in which he wrote Moby Dick. (The estate is called Arrowhead in Pittsfield, MA and can be visited most days of the year.)
The shape and snow-covered summit reminded him of a whale. I don't know if he ever climbed Monadnock but he certainly did climb Greylock many times and loved the mountain as did many other artists and authors such as Nathaniel Hawthorne, William Cullen Bryant, Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Henry David Thoreau. In fact Thoreau's experience on Greylock was said to have a huge effect on his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.183.236 ( talk) 20:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The GNIS lists this as "Monadnock Mountain", not "Mount Monadnock".
[1] Should we rename this article?
—wwoods (
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21:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Added a bunch of material, reorganized the article under more comprehensive sections, and made other edits. Let me know what you think. -- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 02:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Pgagnon999, sorry we got into a bit of an edit back-and-forth there. It was late! If you look at the article history, you'll see that it said southwest New Hampshire before you changed it to southeast New England, citing the Berkshires - that's when I entered. All I ever did was revert edits, never rewrite.
More importantly, though, it's not correct to say Monadnock is the most prominent mountain in southeast New England because it's in northern New England. Nobody ever calls New Hampshire part of southern New England - that would be like saying Nebraska is in the Southeast U.S. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 13:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
David, if you look at the history, you'll see that the southeast reference has stood on the article for some time now; it was changed by an anon user; [7] I reverted that edit because it created a poorly worded sentence (echo reference to location as "New Hampshire") and removed reference to Monadnock's place in the geography of New England. Then you reverted my revert (leaving the poorly worded language intact), and here we are.
As for the confusion about southern New England, it's a matter of perspective, but I see your point (and yours Jrclark); I'll work something out to clarify that. Thanks for discussing.-- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 14:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking that it might be best to move this article to either Mount Monadnock (Jaffrey, New Hampshire) or Grand Monadnock. The reason: there are other mountains with the same or similar names; per Wiki general policy, that would indicate the need for a general dab page to which are linked specific article pages with unambiguous titles. Granted, Mount Monadnock is by far more widely known. . .and I feel a certain resistance to altering it. ..but it would conform to policy better. Someone living in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont might well be more familiar with the mountain by the same name up there. What do you the rest of you think?-- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 16:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, it looks good & seems to solve the problem. -- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Something that resembles an advertisement for a dance (including an external URL) continues to be inputted on the article. Another user has also editted this down. Jrclark ( talk) 14:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Craig Brandon's Monadnock: More than a Mountain mentions a compelling theory on the name of the mountain presented by former NH Parks director Will LaPage. Specifically he contends that the mountain was named by Scotch Irish explorers who left Boston in the late 17th century. "monadh" means "mountain" in ancient Gaelic, and "nock" means "low hill". The name could have be adopted by Native American guides and then assumed to be of aboriginal origin by later Europeans entering the region.
While not a citable source, Will LaPage lays out the theory himself here:
From The Monadnock File #1 -- What's in a Name?
TerminalSaint (
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02:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The question was answered and sources provided in 2020 at Talk:Abnaki language, copied below: Ken Gallager ( talk) 12:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be first European Descent? I find it hard to believe no Natives climbed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.128.30.197 ( talk) 17:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
It's also laughable to state with any kind of straight face that it's first ascent was in 1725. There are all kinds of political and racial issues associated with historical events such as "first peaked" but it's ludicrous and laughable to say this incredible peak, available to all kinds of groups for thousands of years, was "first peaked in 1725." Come on... — Preceding unsigned comment added 21:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC) by ChrisEOlive ( talk • contribs)
A picture was recently removed, supposedly because it adds nothing to the article. I would agree that the picture is not essential, but it surely adds something. Since the mountain is climbed so frequently, an example of the sort of detail that brings people back many times (in my case, 73 times) seems completely appropriate. It also is relevant that the trails often double as streams or intermittent drainage. Perhaps this fact can be mentioned as part of the caption? Witnessforpeace ( talk) 18:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could select a new photo for the infobox? I have two concerns with the current one: The first being that most Wikipedia articles on mountains have a very clear view of the summit and some of their surroundings. Where as the current one is a shot of the north-western ridge line (Dublin/Marlborough Trail). The photo is also a little blurry for one taken mid-day.
I uploaded some photos to Wikimedia awhile ago and would love to use one of them for the photo but I wanted to see what others thought first. The photos can be seen here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mount_Monadnock#/media/File:Mt._Monadnock_Summit.JPG https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mount_Monadnock#/media/File:Mt._Monadnock.jpg
I also have an extremely high resolution stitched-photo that could be used on my site: (warning 8MBs) http://blarney.me/projects/imgGallery/photos/2013-12-07_Monadnock/2013-12-07-Panorama02.jpg
If I don't hear any objections I will probably change the photo in a few weeks and see how it is received.
Additionally the current panorama is very blurry and has some exposure issues. I don't have any suitable photos but if there is any interest I could take a good one. Probably once the warmer weather roles in since I think a warm season photo better represents the mountain.
Jonwmcinenrey ( talk) 15:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I am a fan of LiDAR data, and I recently noted that the summit elevation for Monadnock seems to vary by source. Google lists 3166', this page 3165', and Peakbagger lists NAVD88 of 3149' but allows a range from 960-966 meters (3149' to 3169'). NH GRANIT http://granit.sr.unh.edu/ has LiDAR data for the mountain, and from what I can gather, lists the peak at a few inches over 3170' (with an error of less than a foot). Is it policy here to reflect the "official" elevation? I've contacted the NH Division of Parks and Rec. about this. Markstock ( talk) 20:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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I included safety warnings, even tho Monadnock is different from Sodium or Florine. As Dennis Hopper's character said, "I know, sometimes he goes too far. He's the first to admit it." Well, probably i haven't left anything out, and hopefully it's easier to edit out than edit in. Have at it. -- Jerzy 06:39, 2003 Nov 20 (UTC)
But I'm not sure warnings belong here - it seems to me, wikipedia could put similar warnings in every article about a mountain or trail or ski area - or almost anything. I'd like to take them all out, I think - maybe reduce it to one sentence along the lines of "Despite the popularity, Monadnock remains dangerous enough to require caution" or something better-written that that. - DavidWBrooks 14:26, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Yeah, but this is an encyclopedia, not a how-to guide. Having said that, I think your mountain safety idea is excellent: Wanna implement it? DavidWBrooks 22:09, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
An editor summarized the removal of red-font markup by a question abt Monadnock's death and injury rate per year.
There won't of course be any record of injury rate, since the term is ill-defined, and i don't have any annual death- or rescue-rate figures. However:
On busy summer days, at the summit, a uniformed on-duty ranger sits, apparently enjoying the view. "It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it", right? In fact, a similar question has been asked without irony: "It looks like you've got light duty today; is that a matter of seniority, or does every one get a turn at it?"
The answer is that only one person does that duty, bcz no other ranger assigned to M'k is able to climb from the ranger station at the main entrance to the summit several times in the same day, and that is how often, on the high-volume summer days that build the estimates that say M'k is a highly climbed mtn, the ranger at the top is notified that someone (presumably nearly always somewhere down the mtn a ways, on any of a variety of trails) is in trouble. I presume that some of them are already injured, that others have decided they shouldn't continue either up or down and are waiting to be told what to do about it, and that others have lost enuf of their judgement to dehydration and/or low blood sugar that they can't see what is obvious to the person notifying the ranger: they are the scene of a race among discouragement, stubbornness, and the ranger, whose outcome determines where they fit into the statistics.
So IMO the question should not focus on the injuries and deaths, but on
As to the red type, i am restoring some of it pending further discussion, in the belief that the removing editor either
"Since 1990, it has been suggested that so many of Fuji's climbers have shifted to new public transportation that Monadnock's annual total of foot traffic now exceeds Fuji's."
I keep hearing claims along those lines, mostly from New Hamphire tourism committees. But I can't find any sign of such a transport system in, say, maps or photos of Mt Fuji. There's a choice of buses to get to a "fifth station" at about 2400 meters on a few different sides, but from any of those you still have to hike about a thousand meters(comparable to the total elevation of Mt Monadnock) [I edited this sentence after having originally pulled a NASA and mixed feet and meters] to reach the summit - not the kind of thing that would disqualify Fuji as "most hiked mountain in the world" based on "annual total of foot traffic." Has anybody SEEN this supposed 'new public transportation' on Fuji??
BTW, the NH parks department compiles estimates of Monadnock traffic as part of their budget projection process. I'll post a link in a minute.
And on a third topic, I don't think any warning is justified. Yes, there are plenty of injuries in terms of annual numbers, but that's because Monadnock is a very crowded place. Would you include a warning in an article about a movie theater, a sports stadium, or a city sidewalk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 21:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
like this
I found it: http://www.nhstateparks.org/ParksPages/Monadnock/MMP040103/monadnockmasterplanch1Final.pdf
"Today, approximately 95,000 visitors come to the state park annually." This report was written in 2003. The state park includes the summit, nearly all the hiking trails, the parking lots, a picnic area, and cross-country-ski trails. Some hikers use trails that start outside the state park and may be harder to count, but this is a very small percentage of the total: the non-park trailheads don't have any parking!
So where did the 125,000 figure come from?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 16:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Back to the Fuji bus question: I made an edit that makes it clear that Fuji's buses don't go all the way to the top and removes the deceptive and plagiarized phrase "total foot traffic". I originally included the following sentence, but decided it came too close to taking a position and is too detailed for the top of the article:
"Whether it's fair to disqualify a hiker who starts from Fuji's highest bus station at 2,380 meters, and gains 1,396 meters on foot, compared to hikers on Mt Monadnock who experience under 600 meters of elevation gain but have climbed "the whole mountain", is debatable." Would it be worthwhile to devote some kind of sidebar to this question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 16:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
you wrote: "..state park authority estimates that 95,000 people climbed to the top in 2003". That's not precisely what they said. I'm editing that sentence so as not to put words in their mouths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.242.3 ( talk) 22:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I am a huge fan of Mount Monadnock, and I actually grew up in the next town over, but having spent a large chunk of time in China, I have to say I really doubt that Mount Monadnock surpasses any of the important Chinese mountains (Tai Shan, Wutai Shan, Huang Shan, Hua Shan even Changbai Shan etc...)in terms of numbers of climbers per year. Is there any hard numbers on this? I feel like the NH Tourist Bureau has really strung people along. It's a bit irresponsible. W. Little — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.85.106 ( talk) 16:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi just came across this old discussion, if anybody is still interested. I can't comment on the Chinese mountains, but Snowdon/Yr Wyddfa [1] in North Wales is claimed by the National Park Authority to have 400,000 visitors [2] to the summit every year, with another 100,000 on the mountain railway. The NPA has never made the most climbed claim itself, but it has been made by others including the popular UK mountain and hill walking magazine Trail [3]. Having done the climb many times myself, I can attest to the popularity of the mountain, I have sometimes had to queue for the summit. The shortest path to the summit has a vertical climb of about 600m, while the longest are about 1000m. Flossiesheep ( talk) 10:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
References
I've climbed Monadnock maybe 100 times in my life, mostly without much meandering off the trails. I've heard locals talk about a large cave on the mountain. Many people have told me it's in such and such a place or such and such another place but I never seem to be able to find it.
Is it just some local folklore or is there actually a significantly sized cave on the mountain? And would anyone care to describe where it is for us discussion page lurkers? Perhaps a photo? Glippy00 11:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
From what I have read of the wikipedia image guidelines, the original panorama does not meet them. The picture has visible seams for one thing, and for another, the left and right sides don't match up. Also, the guidelines state that bigger is better and images should have a resolution of at LEAST 1000. The original panorama's vertical resolution is only 518 pixels tall, yet nearly as wide as my image which is twice as tall.
The guidelines also state that the image should not be compressed too much. An image that size should not be a mere 380K. That is part of the reason it is so blurry.
These policies of having large images which are not over comrpessed go against what you said about having pity on people with slow net connections. When you click a thumbnail you get a larger version. When you click that larger version you get a full sized image. Those with slow net connections need not click for the full sized version. You might as well argue that the original image is too wide for people with an 800x600 display which is what a good 50% of PC's on the market are set to.
You also said my image doesn't add anything new. I counter that my image shows off the beauty of the mountain better than the original image, which looks flat and boring. I have many other very nice pictures of the mountain which I was considering submitting, but if the people maintaining wikipedia think awful images like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC_0456.JPG are good enough, then what's the point? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scswift ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
I believe that the story about the wolfs and setting fires etc, is a myth, if there is a source for this please cite it or move this subject out of history and into folklore. thanks, Strangealibi 19:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The infobox needs a good photo of the mountain. For a mountain that is reportedly the second most climbed in the world, hard to believe we don't have any good photos. RedWolf 03:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The statement "Herman Melville compared the hump of Moby Dick to Monadnock when describing Captain Ahab's final struggle with the whale." is not correct. It was Mt. Greylock in Adams, MA that was his inspiration. He could view this mountain from the very room in which he wrote Moby Dick. (The estate is called Arrowhead in Pittsfield, MA and can be visited most days of the year.)
The shape and snow-covered summit reminded him of a whale. I don't know if he ever climbed Monadnock but he certainly did climb Greylock many times and loved the mountain as did many other artists and authors such as Nathaniel Hawthorne, William Cullen Bryant, Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Henry David Thoreau. In fact Thoreau's experience on Greylock was said to have a huge effect on his life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.183.236 ( talk) 20:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The GNIS lists this as "Monadnock Mountain", not "Mount Monadnock".
[1] Should we rename this article?
—wwoods (
talk)
21:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Added a bunch of material, reorganized the article under more comprehensive sections, and made other edits. Let me know what you think. -- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 02:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Pgagnon999, sorry we got into a bit of an edit back-and-forth there. It was late! If you look at the article history, you'll see that it said southwest New Hampshire before you changed it to southeast New England, citing the Berkshires - that's when I entered. All I ever did was revert edits, never rewrite.
More importantly, though, it's not correct to say Monadnock is the most prominent mountain in southeast New England because it's in northern New England. Nobody ever calls New Hampshire part of southern New England - that would be like saying Nebraska is in the Southeast U.S. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 13:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
David, if you look at the history, you'll see that the southeast reference has stood on the article for some time now; it was changed by an anon user; [7] I reverted that edit because it created a poorly worded sentence (echo reference to location as "New Hampshire") and removed reference to Monadnock's place in the geography of New England. Then you reverted my revert (leaving the poorly worded language intact), and here we are.
As for the confusion about southern New England, it's a matter of perspective, but I see your point (and yours Jrclark); I'll work something out to clarify that. Thanks for discussing.-- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 14:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking that it might be best to move this article to either Mount Monadnock (Jaffrey, New Hampshire) or Grand Monadnock. The reason: there are other mountains with the same or similar names; per Wiki general policy, that would indicate the need for a general dab page to which are linked specific article pages with unambiguous titles. Granted, Mount Monadnock is by far more widely known. . .and I feel a certain resistance to altering it. ..but it would conform to policy better. Someone living in the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont might well be more familiar with the mountain by the same name up there. What do you the rest of you think?-- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 16:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, it looks good & seems to solve the problem. -- Pgagnon999 ( talk) 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Something that resembles an advertisement for a dance (including an external URL) continues to be inputted on the article. Another user has also editted this down. Jrclark ( talk) 14:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Craig Brandon's Monadnock: More than a Mountain mentions a compelling theory on the name of the mountain presented by former NH Parks director Will LaPage. Specifically he contends that the mountain was named by Scotch Irish explorers who left Boston in the late 17th century. "monadh" means "mountain" in ancient Gaelic, and "nock" means "low hill". The name could have be adopted by Native American guides and then assumed to be of aboriginal origin by later Europeans entering the region.
While not a citable source, Will LaPage lays out the theory himself here:
From The Monadnock File #1 -- What's in a Name?
TerminalSaint (
talk)
02:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The question was answered and sources provided in 2020 at Talk:Abnaki language, copied below: Ken Gallager ( talk) 12:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't that be first European Descent? I find it hard to believe no Natives climbed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.128.30.197 ( talk) 17:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
It's also laughable to state with any kind of straight face that it's first ascent was in 1725. There are all kinds of political and racial issues associated with historical events such as "first peaked" but it's ludicrous and laughable to say this incredible peak, available to all kinds of groups for thousands of years, was "first peaked in 1725." Come on... — Preceding unsigned comment added 21:31, 8 January 2020 (UTC) by ChrisEOlive ( talk • contribs)
A picture was recently removed, supposedly because it adds nothing to the article. I would agree that the picture is not essential, but it surely adds something. Since the mountain is climbed so frequently, an example of the sort of detail that brings people back many times (in my case, 73 times) seems completely appropriate. It also is relevant that the trails often double as streams or intermittent drainage. Perhaps this fact can be mentioned as part of the caption? Witnessforpeace ( talk) 18:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could select a new photo for the infobox? I have two concerns with the current one: The first being that most Wikipedia articles on mountains have a very clear view of the summit and some of their surroundings. Where as the current one is a shot of the north-western ridge line (Dublin/Marlborough Trail). The photo is also a little blurry for one taken mid-day.
I uploaded some photos to Wikimedia awhile ago and would love to use one of them for the photo but I wanted to see what others thought first. The photos can be seen here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mount_Monadnock#/media/File:Mt._Monadnock_Summit.JPG https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Mount_Monadnock#/media/File:Mt._Monadnock.jpg
I also have an extremely high resolution stitched-photo that could be used on my site: (warning 8MBs) http://blarney.me/projects/imgGallery/photos/2013-12-07_Monadnock/2013-12-07-Panorama02.jpg
If I don't hear any objections I will probably change the photo in a few weeks and see how it is received.
Additionally the current panorama is very blurry and has some exposure issues. I don't have any suitable photos but if there is any interest I could take a good one. Probably once the warmer weather roles in since I think a warm season photo better represents the mountain.
Jonwmcinenrey ( talk) 15:23, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I am a fan of LiDAR data, and I recently noted that the summit elevation for Monadnock seems to vary by source. Google lists 3166', this page 3165', and Peakbagger lists NAVD88 of 3149' but allows a range from 960-966 meters (3149' to 3169'). NH GRANIT http://granit.sr.unh.edu/ has LiDAR data for the mountain, and from what I can gather, lists the peak at a few inches over 3170' (with an error of less than a foot). Is it policy here to reflect the "official" elevation? I've contacted the NH Division of Parks and Rec. about this. Markstock ( talk) 20:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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