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I modified the claim that MADD is one of the largest non-profit organizations in the United States. It is certainly one of the largest victim rights organizations, but is not a particularly large non-profit. There are thousands of non-profit colleges, universities, hospitals, museums and the like with larger budgets, revenues and assets than MADD. Harvard University, The Shriners Hospital, Partners Health Care, etc.
Whitfield Larrabee 03:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
The summary of what MADD stands for is inaccurate. I have never heard any statement that MADD opposes the use of alcohol for religous purposes, such as communion, and there is not cite to any such authority. This seems calculated to be inflamatory. A better expression of this point would be that MADD strongly favors laws that set the legal drinking age at 21.
Although it is evident that MADD has been advocating for more strict drunk driving laws, there is no evidence that they advocate making them as strict as possible. For example, they have not advocated for the death penalty for drinking and driving at any time to my knowledge. They have not advocated a constitutional amendment to permit torture, cruel and unusual punishment of drunk drivers. This statement is incorrect.
MADD has advocated for a reduction of the permissible BAC limit to .08, but MADD has not advocated "laws which prohibit driving after consuming any amount of alcohol" from what I can discern from there web site. Some individuals associated with MADD have made such statements, but I have not seen an organized effort on the part of the organization to achieve no alcohol and driving rule.
It is true MADD advocates an "increase beer excise taxes to equal the current excise tax on distilled spirits. Higher beer taxes are associated with lower rates of traffic fatalities and youth alcohol consumption." http://www.madd.org/activism/0,1056,4612,00.html?p=1
Whitfield Larrabee 02:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I've hedged the claim in "Controversies" that underage drinking is proven to cause brain damage to make it clear that it is just that -- a claim -- and not a settled fact. To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence from unbiased sources (ie from outside the anti-underage drinking movement) that moderate consumption by under-21s is associated with any more detrimental health effects than it is in over 21s. 69.174.68.99 22:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted deletion of the statement that MADD opposes alcohol consumption by those under age 21 *with no exceptions* for religious, health, or other reasons. A careful reading of the MADD website demonstrates clerly that it makes no exceptions whatsoever, even in those states, for example, which specifically legalize alcohol consumption by those under age 21 within the parents or guardians house under parental or guardian supervision. Some states provide exemptions for religious use, when prescribed by a physician, etc. However, MADD clearly does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.88.33 ( talk) 16:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is packed full of POV statements and uncited claims. It needs to be trimmed, too. -- Scientizzle 01:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Much of this article reads like a diatribe against MADD. In particular, the Controversy section makes up about half the article and seems to have little to say in MADD's defense. The External Links section continues this trend. I suspect I'm being overly skittish in not marking this as a POV dispute.
I also removed the link and one other reference to "Drivers Against MADD Methods." The link was an easy choice-- http://damm-madd.com/ "is currently under construction and will be available soon." Aside from that, this article contains the only reference to DAMM I could find outside their own website. The website itself (some pages are available there--just not the homepage) lists no contact information except their Paypal donations account. whois damm-madd.com returns a UPS store address. It strikes me as a "some guy ranting behind a keyboard" operation--irrelevant to the article.
AdamBradley 04:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
As written, this article is remarkably strong in terms of critical content toward MADD. While a discussion of any particular controversy or criticism is a valid portion of any Wiki article, the manner in which this article is written makes it seem that controversies abound regarding MADD's mission, activities, and goals. The article needs to be rewritten with a neutral POV so as to accurately reflect the purpose of the organization, its accomplishments, its failures, and issues surrounding its activities. Drgitlow 05:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I see no reason to put biographies of past presidents on this page. Little Ol' Winemaker 01:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)— Little Ol' Winemaker ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
I removed the suggested merge notices from the top of the page because they were obtrusive. (I first reverted them as vandalism... which they were not.. sorry User:Bissinger) The suggested merges are: Wendy J. Hamilton, Millie I. Webb, Glynn Birch, and Mickey Sadoff. These are all stub articles on past MADD presidents. If there is a desire to delete these articles and incorporate their information here, I don't think there is a need for four notices at the top of the article. Zzxcnet 20:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Labeling editors who contend that an article has POV as "extremists" is not helpful. Please take a look at Wikipedia policy regarding Civility and No Personal Attacks. I have restored the POV flag. The discussion page makes absolutely clear that this article's NPOV dispute has never been resolved (see Wikipedia policy regarding Resolving Disputes), so the repeated removal of the flag has neither been helpful nor appropriate. (Let's assume good faith and allow that the repeated removal of the POV flag has been not an edit war but simply an honest mistake that now need not be repeated.) Either the POV flag must remain or we must refer this article for mediation and wider comment. Perhaps both.
A reorganization of this article into two main sections - "MADD" and "Criticisms of MADD" - would help better represent what controversy there may be around this organization. (As it is, the criticisms of MADD take up more space than information about how MADD has actually organized, argued, and acted.) Sourcing the criticisms and interpretations of MADD is, as others have pointed out, an absolute necessity. As Wikipedia policy regarding Verifiability makes crystal clear, "The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it." Note also that otherwise unpublished arguments or theories constitute a violation of Wikipedia's No Original Research policy. Everyone would currently be within their rights to remove most of what this article has to say about MADD, good, neutral, or bad. - RamseyK 01:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have moved all of the criticisms to a "Criticisms" section. As the article currently stands, most of the criticisms are unsourced statements of the "Some argue" and "Critics say" kind. Unless someone adds documentation to meet the Verifiability policy, all of the unsourced criticsms will have to be deleted. Who have the critics been? Where did they do the critiquing?
The "Arguments" section consists almost entirely of interpretations that are, as the article currently stands, unsubstantiated original research. All of the "It can be argued..." paragraphs will need Verifiability documentation or they will also have to be deleted. Who have the arguers been? Where have they been arguing it?
For everybody's convenience, here's the link to Wikipedia's Citing Sources guidelines.
- RamseyK 23:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Several quotes in the article also fail to cite their sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.244.119 ( talk) 02:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Those links were inserted disguised into opposed viewpoints, but they really are little more than hitpieces. I came here specificly to remove activistcash.com, an attack site that shouldn't be used as a source of information for anything but itself according to guidelines. I also found the parent website of activistcash. Alcohofacts and "alcohol solution" appears to be owned by the same person and there's 6 links to them. There's a blog thrown in there for good measure too. Wiki policies are fine with alternate viewpoints, but AFAIK those are just attack sites (eg.:all they do is attack MADD).
"MADD argues that, given that the brain does not stop developing until the early 20s..."
I've seen studies that point out that while heavy brain development does occur during adolescence, some aspects of the brain don't stop developing until much later. These two articles say it doesn't stop until 35-45:
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/media/News/HS_05162001.html http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060927/news_lz1n27brain.html
Not trying to disabuse the rersearch, just want it cited right. Lots of studies and articles make the "early 20s" claim, but they are none of them conclusive. That said, this link has some pretty compelling evidence about alcohol leading to possible adolescent brain damage:
http://www.duke.edu/~amwhite/Adolescence/adolescent7.html
Perhpas it could be reworded to reflect the both ambiguity about brain development and the evidence of potential damage from excessive alcohol use on developing brains? Just a thought. 66.57.225.77 23:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
This article alleges that MADD spends less than 20% of the money it raises on direct charitable work, with the rest going to administration, salary, and more fundraising. Read the article and say whether it merits mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoctorWorm ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
Ouch, sorry, Jonathan Luckett, I didn't notice that you added the "according to"s right before I took them back out. I have database access, so I'm going to go look up those two articles and see what they say. - Kelly Ramsey 09:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Right. It turns out that the Dresty cite isn't from The Chronicle of Higher Education It's actually an op-ed from a student newspaper, the Hofstra Chronicle, and it's online in their archives. Dresty only cites getMADD.com as his source. IMHO, considering that the Dresty piece is (a) an op-ed, (b) in a student newspaper, (c) by a student pundit, and (d) cites only that polemical self-published personal web site as its source, it doesn't count as a reliable source to verify the Lightner quote. - Kelly Ramsey 09:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The Bresnahan piece is a news article. It mentions Lightner only in this 3-paragraph passage, which looks to be enough to verify the quote:
- Kelly Ramsey 10:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I restored the mobile phone section. It is not original research, it is cited and a link is provided to the main article which shows that MADD's policy is out of touch with research published in respected academic journals. Cheers m'dears. Famousdog 16:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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The last paragraph in the Ignition Interlock section under criticisms ("These concerns may be allayed with newer technology which provides for passive sensors installed in steering wheels. Since many responsible drivers, both non-offenders and offenders who have become sensitized to the danger of impaired driving, prefer to not drive when they have had any alcohol, the sensors can provide the peace of mind they desire. These drivers believe that their personal guideline is safety-related and not dependent on a state's laws. They choose to believe studies which show that any measurable alcohol increases the likelihood of a traffic incident.") is un-encyclopedic and, frankly, a little silly. I propose deleting the paragraph and appending a version of its first sentence to the preceding paragraph, where it rightly belongs. Perhaps, "This concern may be allayed by the introduction of passive sensors installed in steering wheels." 67.161.2.49 20:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the {{Off-topic}} tag from the Mothers_Against_Drunk_Driving#Minimum_drinking_age_laws section. The reason given was
This section is off-topic because it's about MADD's opinion on why young people shouldn't drink alcohol, not on why it should be _illegal_ for them to drink alcohol.
I disagree. The section describes MADD's rationale for supporting 21-and-over drinking laws. It is on-topic because it is about positions put forth by MADD, and MADD is the subject of the article. -- Ultra Megatron ( talk) 17:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This section, however brief, needs to be rewritten. While it is certainly good to note that MADD's statement regarding opponents of checkpoint critics is invalid, that 'fact', like MADD's, needs to be documented in some way. The rest of the section needs to be outright deleted until someone who actually understands the facts behind sobriety cases has time to compose a sentence or two that is not as misleading as the current bit. Or maybe just link to a more useful Wikipedia article on the subject (nor would a reference to, for example, Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz be out of place). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.240 ( talk) 08:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is very biased in supporting MADD. There are a few criticisms, but the overall tone of this page is saying this is a good group. Reference a similar group page, for the KKK and you will find a much more negative tone. This is supposed to state facts, but it does not state facts or say that MADD invents all of their science, statistics, and beliefs. One of the core values of MADD is promoting hatred and prejudice toward young adults, yet every time this information is added, the MADD supporters delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.124.89 ( talk) 20:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
wp:criticism - several points were covered only in criticism. Banishing the critics from the body of the article and confining them to their own section does not generally lead to wp:BALANCE... it can either give wp:undue weight too them or to the positive comments.
I am *CONFIDENT* that I did not do all this work correctly, and apologize for anything I broke. I will be happy to fix, or help fix, and to improve. There are several bits here that I think would benefit from more coverage if wp:RS are available, and some bits that simply need sourcing. - sinneed ( talk) 16:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. MADD had been proven as a horrible and irresponible charity. Where's all that info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.69.167.90 ( talk) 19:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
wp:LEAD the 1st sentence should say why the subject is notable. I think that putting in the effects MADD has achieved... 21-year-old min, .08% max BA level.- Sinneed
How about the 2nd sentence being: MADD's stated mission "to stop drunk driving, support the victims of this violent crime and prevent underage drinking." - - Sinneed 16:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Then para 2 perhaps mention Lightner's departure, other bits, again hewing to wp:LEAD and covering in summary of what is in the body.- Sinneed 16:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This page offers no criticisms of MADD! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.233.110 ( talk) 07:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The article seems okay about the discussion of MADD. It has offered extensive criticism about whether it is okay for teens to drink or not.
I think some or a lot of this discussion needs to be forked. Okay to link it from here, but it digresses, after a while in "who is right: Okay for teens to drink/not okay." That could use it's own article.
Here we can say that MADD has been criticized for enforcing laws against teen drinking, with a little discussion. It just goes on way too long and winds up having little to do with the organization at that point. It deserves a separate article about "who is right." Student7 ( talk) 00:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed this section about minimum drinking age laws that's nothing more than lower-age drinking hype promoted by the Amethyst Initiative and Choose Responsibility. Blah, blah, blah for MADD, blah, blah blah against MADD; I really don't care, but blatant crap like this, yes, we should all care, even those of us with teeny tweenie alcohol-sodden rat brains. To add this content back to this article, source strictly per multiple, independent news reporting meeting WP:RS. Flowanda | Talk 14:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I expect to restore at least some of that unless there is a consensus to remove it. The shifting focus seems to be very much a key part of MADD. Does anyone support the large removal? I oppose at least much of it. User talk:Unfriend12 05:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
While the lawyers' opinions are interesting, they still won't meet wp:RS I shouldn't think... they are selling lawsuits. User talk:Unfriend12 03:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
This article almost reads like drunk driving is a good thing and MADD is infringing on our right to drive drunk. Anyone else feel that it's primarily anti-MADD? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.70.234 ( talk) 00:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
There should be mention of the MADD Virgin Drinks line produced in Canada. http://www.maddvirgindrinks.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.253.240 ( talk) 06:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I've believe MADD should be in the title of the page. Most people search Mothers Against Drunk Driving by its abbreviation MADD. This should help the page get more hits as when you type MADD into google the wiki link does not appear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilianois123 ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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I modified the claim that MADD is one of the largest non-profit organizations in the United States. It is certainly one of the largest victim rights organizations, but is not a particularly large non-profit. There are thousands of non-profit colleges, universities, hospitals, museums and the like with larger budgets, revenues and assets than MADD. Harvard University, The Shriners Hospital, Partners Health Care, etc.
Whitfield Larrabee 03:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
The summary of what MADD stands for is inaccurate. I have never heard any statement that MADD opposes the use of alcohol for religous purposes, such as communion, and there is not cite to any such authority. This seems calculated to be inflamatory. A better expression of this point would be that MADD strongly favors laws that set the legal drinking age at 21.
Although it is evident that MADD has been advocating for more strict drunk driving laws, there is no evidence that they advocate making them as strict as possible. For example, they have not advocated for the death penalty for drinking and driving at any time to my knowledge. They have not advocated a constitutional amendment to permit torture, cruel and unusual punishment of drunk drivers. This statement is incorrect.
MADD has advocated for a reduction of the permissible BAC limit to .08, but MADD has not advocated "laws which prohibit driving after consuming any amount of alcohol" from what I can discern from there web site. Some individuals associated with MADD have made such statements, but I have not seen an organized effort on the part of the organization to achieve no alcohol and driving rule.
It is true MADD advocates an "increase beer excise taxes to equal the current excise tax on distilled spirits. Higher beer taxes are associated with lower rates of traffic fatalities and youth alcohol consumption." http://www.madd.org/activism/0,1056,4612,00.html?p=1
Whitfield Larrabee 02:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I've hedged the claim in "Controversies" that underage drinking is proven to cause brain damage to make it clear that it is just that -- a claim -- and not a settled fact. To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence from unbiased sources (ie from outside the anti-underage drinking movement) that moderate consumption by under-21s is associated with any more detrimental health effects than it is in over 21s. 69.174.68.99 22:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted deletion of the statement that MADD opposes alcohol consumption by those under age 21 *with no exceptions* for religious, health, or other reasons. A careful reading of the MADD website demonstrates clerly that it makes no exceptions whatsoever, even in those states, for example, which specifically legalize alcohol consumption by those under age 21 within the parents or guardians house under parental or guardian supervision. Some states provide exemptions for religious use, when prescribed by a physician, etc. However, MADD clearly does not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.88.33 ( talk) 16:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
This article is packed full of POV statements and uncited claims. It needs to be trimmed, too. -- Scientizzle 01:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Much of this article reads like a diatribe against MADD. In particular, the Controversy section makes up about half the article and seems to have little to say in MADD's defense. The External Links section continues this trend. I suspect I'm being overly skittish in not marking this as a POV dispute.
I also removed the link and one other reference to "Drivers Against MADD Methods." The link was an easy choice-- http://damm-madd.com/ "is currently under construction and will be available soon." Aside from that, this article contains the only reference to DAMM I could find outside their own website. The website itself (some pages are available there--just not the homepage) lists no contact information except their Paypal donations account. whois damm-madd.com returns a UPS store address. It strikes me as a "some guy ranting behind a keyboard" operation--irrelevant to the article.
AdamBradley 04:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
As written, this article is remarkably strong in terms of critical content toward MADD. While a discussion of any particular controversy or criticism is a valid portion of any Wiki article, the manner in which this article is written makes it seem that controversies abound regarding MADD's mission, activities, and goals. The article needs to be rewritten with a neutral POV so as to accurately reflect the purpose of the organization, its accomplishments, its failures, and issues surrounding its activities. Drgitlow 05:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I see no reason to put biographies of past presidents on this page. Little Ol' Winemaker 01:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)— Little Ol' Winemaker ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
I removed the suggested merge notices from the top of the page because they were obtrusive. (I first reverted them as vandalism... which they were not.. sorry User:Bissinger) The suggested merges are: Wendy J. Hamilton, Millie I. Webb, Glynn Birch, and Mickey Sadoff. These are all stub articles on past MADD presidents. If there is a desire to delete these articles and incorporate their information here, I don't think there is a need for four notices at the top of the article. Zzxcnet 20:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Labeling editors who contend that an article has POV as "extremists" is not helpful. Please take a look at Wikipedia policy regarding Civility and No Personal Attacks. I have restored the POV flag. The discussion page makes absolutely clear that this article's NPOV dispute has never been resolved (see Wikipedia policy regarding Resolving Disputes), so the repeated removal of the flag has neither been helpful nor appropriate. (Let's assume good faith and allow that the repeated removal of the POV flag has been not an edit war but simply an honest mistake that now need not be repeated.) Either the POV flag must remain or we must refer this article for mediation and wider comment. Perhaps both.
A reorganization of this article into two main sections - "MADD" and "Criticisms of MADD" - would help better represent what controversy there may be around this organization. (As it is, the criticisms of MADD take up more space than information about how MADD has actually organized, argued, and acted.) Sourcing the criticisms and interpretations of MADD is, as others have pointed out, an absolute necessity. As Wikipedia policy regarding Verifiability makes crystal clear, "The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it." Note also that otherwise unpublished arguments or theories constitute a violation of Wikipedia's No Original Research policy. Everyone would currently be within their rights to remove most of what this article has to say about MADD, good, neutral, or bad. - RamseyK 01:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have moved all of the criticisms to a "Criticisms" section. As the article currently stands, most of the criticisms are unsourced statements of the "Some argue" and "Critics say" kind. Unless someone adds documentation to meet the Verifiability policy, all of the unsourced criticsms will have to be deleted. Who have the critics been? Where did they do the critiquing?
The "Arguments" section consists almost entirely of interpretations that are, as the article currently stands, unsubstantiated original research. All of the "It can be argued..." paragraphs will need Verifiability documentation or they will also have to be deleted. Who have the arguers been? Where have they been arguing it?
For everybody's convenience, here's the link to Wikipedia's Citing Sources guidelines.
- RamseyK 23:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Several quotes in the article also fail to cite their sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.244.119 ( talk) 02:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Those links were inserted disguised into opposed viewpoints, but they really are little more than hitpieces. I came here specificly to remove activistcash.com, an attack site that shouldn't be used as a source of information for anything but itself according to guidelines. I also found the parent website of activistcash. Alcohofacts and "alcohol solution" appears to be owned by the same person and there's 6 links to them. There's a blog thrown in there for good measure too. Wiki policies are fine with alternate viewpoints, but AFAIK those are just attack sites (eg.:all they do is attack MADD).
"MADD argues that, given that the brain does not stop developing until the early 20s..."
I've seen studies that point out that while heavy brain development does occur during adolescence, some aspects of the brain don't stop developing until much later. These two articles say it doesn't stop until 35-45:
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/media/News/HS_05162001.html http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060927/news_lz1n27brain.html
Not trying to disabuse the rersearch, just want it cited right. Lots of studies and articles make the "early 20s" claim, but they are none of them conclusive. That said, this link has some pretty compelling evidence about alcohol leading to possible adolescent brain damage:
http://www.duke.edu/~amwhite/Adolescence/adolescent7.html
Perhpas it could be reworded to reflect the both ambiguity about brain development and the evidence of potential damage from excessive alcohol use on developing brains? Just a thought. 66.57.225.77 23:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
This article alleges that MADD spends less than 20% of the money it raises on direct charitable work, with the rest going to administration, salary, and more fundraising. Read the article and say whether it merits mention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoctorWorm ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
Ouch, sorry, Jonathan Luckett, I didn't notice that you added the "according to"s right before I took them back out. I have database access, so I'm going to go look up those two articles and see what they say. - Kelly Ramsey 09:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Right. It turns out that the Dresty cite isn't from The Chronicle of Higher Education It's actually an op-ed from a student newspaper, the Hofstra Chronicle, and it's online in their archives. Dresty only cites getMADD.com as his source. IMHO, considering that the Dresty piece is (a) an op-ed, (b) in a student newspaper, (c) by a student pundit, and (d) cites only that polemical self-published personal web site as its source, it doesn't count as a reliable source to verify the Lightner quote. - Kelly Ramsey 09:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The Bresnahan piece is a news article. It mentions Lightner only in this 3-paragraph passage, which looks to be enough to verify the quote:
- Kelly Ramsey 10:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I restored the mobile phone section. It is not original research, it is cited and a link is provided to the main article which shows that MADD's policy is out of touch with research published in respected academic journals. Cheers m'dears. Famousdog 16:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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The last paragraph in the Ignition Interlock section under criticisms ("These concerns may be allayed with newer technology which provides for passive sensors installed in steering wheels. Since many responsible drivers, both non-offenders and offenders who have become sensitized to the danger of impaired driving, prefer to not drive when they have had any alcohol, the sensors can provide the peace of mind they desire. These drivers believe that their personal guideline is safety-related and not dependent on a state's laws. They choose to believe studies which show that any measurable alcohol increases the likelihood of a traffic incident.") is un-encyclopedic and, frankly, a little silly. I propose deleting the paragraph and appending a version of its first sentence to the preceding paragraph, where it rightly belongs. Perhaps, "This concern may be allayed by the introduction of passive sensors installed in steering wheels." 67.161.2.49 20:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed the {{Off-topic}} tag from the Mothers_Against_Drunk_Driving#Minimum_drinking_age_laws section. The reason given was
This section is off-topic because it's about MADD's opinion on why young people shouldn't drink alcohol, not on why it should be _illegal_ for them to drink alcohol.
I disagree. The section describes MADD's rationale for supporting 21-and-over drinking laws. It is on-topic because it is about positions put forth by MADD, and MADD is the subject of the article. -- Ultra Megatron ( talk) 17:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This section, however brief, needs to be rewritten. While it is certainly good to note that MADD's statement regarding opponents of checkpoint critics is invalid, that 'fact', like MADD's, needs to be documented in some way. The rest of the section needs to be outright deleted until someone who actually understands the facts behind sobriety cases has time to compose a sentence or two that is not as misleading as the current bit. Or maybe just link to a more useful Wikipedia article on the subject (nor would a reference to, for example, Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz be out of place). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.240 ( talk) 08:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
This page is very biased in supporting MADD. There are a few criticisms, but the overall tone of this page is saying this is a good group. Reference a similar group page, for the KKK and you will find a much more negative tone. This is supposed to state facts, but it does not state facts or say that MADD invents all of their science, statistics, and beliefs. One of the core values of MADD is promoting hatred and prejudice toward young adults, yet every time this information is added, the MADD supporters delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.124.89 ( talk) 20:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
wp:criticism - several points were covered only in criticism. Banishing the critics from the body of the article and confining them to their own section does not generally lead to wp:BALANCE... it can either give wp:undue weight too them or to the positive comments.
I am *CONFIDENT* that I did not do all this work correctly, and apologize for anything I broke. I will be happy to fix, or help fix, and to improve. There are several bits here that I think would benefit from more coverage if wp:RS are available, and some bits that simply need sourcing. - sinneed ( talk) 16:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. MADD had been proven as a horrible and irresponible charity. Where's all that info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.69.167.90 ( talk) 19:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
wp:LEAD the 1st sentence should say why the subject is notable. I think that putting in the effects MADD has achieved... 21-year-old min, .08% max BA level.- Sinneed
How about the 2nd sentence being: MADD's stated mission "to stop drunk driving, support the victims of this violent crime and prevent underage drinking." - - Sinneed 16:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Then para 2 perhaps mention Lightner's departure, other bits, again hewing to wp:LEAD and covering in summary of what is in the body.- Sinneed 16:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This page offers no criticisms of MADD! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.233.110 ( talk) 07:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The article seems okay about the discussion of MADD. It has offered extensive criticism about whether it is okay for teens to drink or not.
I think some or a lot of this discussion needs to be forked. Okay to link it from here, but it digresses, after a while in "who is right: Okay for teens to drink/not okay." That could use it's own article.
Here we can say that MADD has been criticized for enforcing laws against teen drinking, with a little discussion. It just goes on way too long and winds up having little to do with the organization at that point. It deserves a separate article about "who is right." Student7 ( talk) 00:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I removed this section about minimum drinking age laws that's nothing more than lower-age drinking hype promoted by the Amethyst Initiative and Choose Responsibility. Blah, blah, blah for MADD, blah, blah blah against MADD; I really don't care, but blatant crap like this, yes, we should all care, even those of us with teeny tweenie alcohol-sodden rat brains. To add this content back to this article, source strictly per multiple, independent news reporting meeting WP:RS. Flowanda | Talk 14:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I expect to restore at least some of that unless there is a consensus to remove it. The shifting focus seems to be very much a key part of MADD. Does anyone support the large removal? I oppose at least much of it. User talk:Unfriend12 05:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
While the lawyers' opinions are interesting, they still won't meet wp:RS I shouldn't think... they are selling lawsuits. User talk:Unfriend12 03:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
This article almost reads like drunk driving is a good thing and MADD is infringing on our right to drive drunk. Anyone else feel that it's primarily anti-MADD? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.70.234 ( talk) 00:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
There should be mention of the MADD Virgin Drinks line produced in Canada. http://www.maddvirgindrinks.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.253.240 ( talk) 06:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I've believe MADD should be in the title of the page. Most people search Mothers Against Drunk Driving by its abbreviation MADD. This should help the page get more hits as when you type MADD into google the wiki link does not appear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilianois123 ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 8 May 2016 (UTC)