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There's no citation covering the uncertainty over the etymology of motet. A number of dictionaries, including the OED, as well as the Norton Encyclopedia of Music, say nothing of the "movere" influence. Does anyone have a source? Mcwabaunsee ( talk) 07:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Deleted from the Baroque section due to lack of citation:
-- Wahoofive 18:43, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. Not only did they both phase out around the same time, mid-18th century, but it doesn't make sense that a French form and a German form would merge. -- Wahoofive 01:19, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"Increasingly in the 14th and 15th centuries, motets tended to be isorhythmic; that is, they employed repeated rhythmic patterns in all voices"
I was under the impression that isorhythm is a general term, whereas panisorhythm means isorhythm employed in all voices (see Grove articles).
Who wrote this section? At least in italy, motets where a VERY important and spread form. It is not a 'cantata with crude latin words'! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.243.82 ( talk) 17:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC) What Is A Motet?
I seem to remember that there was a separate article for Isorhythmic Motets at one point though a history search does not seem to bear that out. Perhaps there was not, but rather this page contained at some point a satisfactory brief description of the definition of an Isorhythmic Motet with a more in depth exploration left to the entry for Isorhythm.
I guess I'm rather surprised to see all treatment of Isorhythm in a separate article even though it is discussed quite a lot on this entry.
Am I incorrect in thinking that I used to be able to send people to this entry (Isorhythmic Motet) and have them come away with a rudimentary knowledge of Talea and Color w/o having to refine their focus to another entry to find these two terms?
Perhaps this is the best way, but it struck me as odd to have the redirect here and then not actually _say_ what an Isorhythm is when it's at home with it's slippers off.
Thanks. -- Thistledowne ( talk) 02:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have undergone an undergraduate student treatment and while scads of references were added, they are not that valuable. Worse, the prose style was practically unreadable. I have, as a result, reverted back to the pre-assignment version. Editors may wish to consult the longer version here and add in those details that are deemed judicious. Eusebeus ( talk) 13:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The heck is this crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.189.22 ( talk) 16:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
As the French etymology is favoured (according to the article), is the final t silent? freshacconci talk to me 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
This sounds rather loaded. Is there any reason why one might not regard these works as traditional motets? If so this should be outlined. 131.111.185.69 ( talk) 16:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
This should be acknowledged in the introductory paragraph. I tried to add this in the first sentence, only to be reverted. In fact, the intro paragraph needs to be re-written to make the meaning of the word more clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cihan ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I think that showing a single line is not a good illustration for the handling of words, which "motet" is about. It is fine for "melisma" or "aria". The ever-present If ye love me would be better already, to show multiple voices. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Reviewing the short description as listed in Wikidata and considering applying it to this article. Currently, it is: "one of the most important forms of polyphonic music from about 1220 to 1750" I want to suggest "polyphonic music" is replaced with "music comprised of many voices" to comply with the bullet points in the "Content" section of Wikipedia:Short description regarding avoiding jargon.
As someone not as versed in music - the bullet point "use universally accepted facts that will not be subject to rapid change, avoiding anything that could be construed as controversial or judgemental" makes me wonder about "one of the most important..." phrasing used here. Can anyone with better understanding of the subject help clarify if this portion is considered a universally accepted fact? Thank you so much in advance!! TheMusicGirl ( talk) 21:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Could the soundtrack to Disney's Bambi or the works of Sir John Tavener be considered motets? Why or why not? For context, since YouTube links are not able to be used on Wikipedia, please refer to "Looking for Romance (I Bring You a Song)" and "Little April Showers" from Disney's original Bambi soundtrack and Sir John Tavener's "Lord Let Me Know Mine End" and "Funeral Canticle". Galactiger ( talk) 20:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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There's no citation covering the uncertainty over the etymology of motet. A number of dictionaries, including the OED, as well as the Norton Encyclopedia of Music, say nothing of the "movere" influence. Does anyone have a source? Mcwabaunsee ( talk) 07:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Deleted from the Baroque section due to lack of citation:
-- Wahoofive 18:43, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. Not only did they both phase out around the same time, mid-18th century, but it doesn't make sense that a French form and a German form would merge. -- Wahoofive 01:19, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"Increasingly in the 14th and 15th centuries, motets tended to be isorhythmic; that is, they employed repeated rhythmic patterns in all voices"
I was under the impression that isorhythm is a general term, whereas panisorhythm means isorhythm employed in all voices (see Grove articles).
Who wrote this section? At least in italy, motets where a VERY important and spread form. It is not a 'cantata with crude latin words'! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.243.82 ( talk) 17:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC) What Is A Motet?
I seem to remember that there was a separate article for Isorhythmic Motets at one point though a history search does not seem to bear that out. Perhaps there was not, but rather this page contained at some point a satisfactory brief description of the definition of an Isorhythmic Motet with a more in depth exploration left to the entry for Isorhythm.
I guess I'm rather surprised to see all treatment of Isorhythm in a separate article even though it is discussed quite a lot on this entry.
Am I incorrect in thinking that I used to be able to send people to this entry (Isorhythmic Motet) and have them come away with a rudimentary knowledge of Talea and Color w/o having to refine their focus to another entry to find these two terms?
Perhaps this is the best way, but it struck me as odd to have the redirect here and then not actually _say_ what an Isorhythm is when it's at home with it's slippers off.
Thanks. -- Thistledowne ( talk) 02:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have undergone an undergraduate student treatment and while scads of references were added, they are not that valuable. Worse, the prose style was practically unreadable. I have, as a result, reverted back to the pre-assignment version. Editors may wish to consult the longer version here and add in those details that are deemed judicious. Eusebeus ( talk) 13:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The heck is this crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.189.22 ( talk) 16:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
As the French etymology is favoured (according to the article), is the final t silent? freshacconci talk to me 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
This sounds rather loaded. Is there any reason why one might not regard these works as traditional motets? If so this should be outlined. 131.111.185.69 ( talk) 16:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
This should be acknowledged in the introductory paragraph. I tried to add this in the first sentence, only to be reverted. In fact, the intro paragraph needs to be re-written to make the meaning of the word more clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cihan ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I think that showing a single line is not a good illustration for the handling of words, which "motet" is about. It is fine for "melisma" or "aria". The ever-present If ye love me would be better already, to show multiple voices. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Reviewing the short description as listed in Wikidata and considering applying it to this article. Currently, it is: "one of the most important forms of polyphonic music from about 1220 to 1750" I want to suggest "polyphonic music" is replaced with "music comprised of many voices" to comply with the bullet points in the "Content" section of Wikipedia:Short description regarding avoiding jargon.
As someone not as versed in music - the bullet point "use universally accepted facts that will not be subject to rapid change, avoiding anything that could be construed as controversial or judgemental" makes me wonder about "one of the most important..." phrasing used here. Can anyone with better understanding of the subject help clarify if this portion is considered a universally accepted fact? Thank you so much in advance!! TheMusicGirl ( talk) 21:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Could the soundtrack to Disney's Bambi or the works of Sir John Tavener be considered motets? Why or why not? For context, since YouTube links are not able to be used on Wikipedia, please refer to "Looking for Romance (I Bring You a Song)" and "Little April Showers" from Disney's original Bambi soundtrack and Sir John Tavener's "Lord Let Me Know Mine End" and "Funeral Canticle". Galactiger ( talk) 20:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)