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Many of the pupils listed may never achieve enough notability to warrant their own pages. Do they need to remain linked? JFW | T@lk 21:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
There must be reliable sources we can quote at the bottom. The CIS biography is partially fictionalised and not really suitable, but we may get away with linking to the Jewish Encyclopedia. Itzse, do you have any good sources, given that you managed to procure the list of pupils? JFW | T@lk 22:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed that he received ordination; because it's elementary that a Rabbi received ordination; especially such a great Rabbi. It would only be noteworthy if we knew from whom he received Semicha. In this article it was left intentionally vague as to who gave him Semicha. Even if we knew that he received it in Mainz; we still don't know from whom because he was a pupil of Rabbi Tebele Shaier and then from his son, I think his name was Rabbi Yechiel Mechel Shaier. I'll try to find more information about this. Itzse 17:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
After writing the above, I noticed that his two years in Mainz cannot be true because from 1776 to 1782 we have six years; so I edited accordingly; but this matter still has to be looked into. My best guess is that he received Semicha from Rabbi Tebele Scheur; but I'll try to check it out first. Itzse 17:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The Chasam Sofer in his hesped (eulogy) on Rabbi Mechel Sheur; calls him Alif ne'iroi (teacher of my youth). He also writes that he stood before him during the years 5536 (1776) and 5537 (1777).
From elsewhere I found that Rabbi Mechel became Rabbi of Worms in the year 5538 (1778), and that his brother Rabbi Naftali Hirtz Sheur (1755-1812) who was also Rosh Yeshiva in his fathers Yeshiva while his father was alive; eventually became Rabbi of Mainz in the year 1800. Itzse 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I copyedited much of the work, fixing comma placements and such and editing sentences to remove some of the archaic style of writing. Also, חדש אסור מן התורה is a halacha that applies to grain before the Omer and Shtei-HaLechem; it is not a phrase created by the Chasam Sofer (ZT"L), but a Midrashic phrase appropriated for use in this situation.
Lastly, when talking about the immaleability of Torah, it is the Halachos, the rules, the precedents that are unchanging. For example, it is not true that electricity is Asur because it is new per se; rather, we seek to find the Halachic precedents for it in Torasaynu HaKedosha and see how they apply. As the Halachos of Aish, Makeh B'Patish, or Binyan (for example) are well described, the question is their application (unchanged in their tenents) to this phenomenon. To say that "Everything New is Asur", in my opinion, is to miss the point and walk dangerously along the lines of the Karaim when trying to define the Chasam Sofer.
I had originally changed her name from Sarah to Malka because I found; I think in the Kalischer family tree that her name was Malka. I assumed that Malka must be correct because it seemed highly unlikely that both of his wives were "widows" and also with the same name Sarah. For the correctness of the article I'm changing it back to Sarah as I found it; until someone knows better and brings a source.
Also if someone knows that his first wife was a widow; then add that fact too.
Now regarding the Chasam Sofer's second wife; in the intoduction to the sefer Hayad Hachazaka her first father-in-law calls her Sarah but in Igrois Sofrim in a letter from her father Rabbi Akiva Eiger to her husband the Chasam Sofer; he calls her Sarel. It could still be that her main name was Sarah but her father called her Sarel beloshen chibah Itzse 21:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I verified that Strossnitz is indeed Dresnitz. Also that Rabbi Moses Jerwits was Rosh Beth Din (chief of the Rabbinical court) of Prossnitz. Itzse 20:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
there was a talmid of the cahatam sofer called the Maharam Ash. any information on him? There definately exists a picture of him somewhere....
thanks gevaldik! 20:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The subject's son, Rav A.S.B. Sofer, played an important role in the development of Hungarian orthodoxy, and his Torah thoughts are widely quoted. I notice we have no article about him. Does anyone have a good resource that I could use for background reading? Alternatively, is anyone willing to start off this article? JFW | T@lk 12:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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The hyphen in "post-humously" seems rather non-standard. (Or rather, let's say -- quite incorrect.) Toddcs ( talk) 18:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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Many of the pupils listed may never achieve enough notability to warrant their own pages. Do they need to remain linked? JFW | T@lk 21:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
There must be reliable sources we can quote at the bottom. The CIS biography is partially fictionalised and not really suitable, but we may get away with linking to the Jewish Encyclopedia. Itzse, do you have any good sources, given that you managed to procure the list of pupils? JFW | T@lk 22:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed that he received ordination; because it's elementary that a Rabbi received ordination; especially such a great Rabbi. It would only be noteworthy if we knew from whom he received Semicha. In this article it was left intentionally vague as to who gave him Semicha. Even if we knew that he received it in Mainz; we still don't know from whom because he was a pupil of Rabbi Tebele Shaier and then from his son, I think his name was Rabbi Yechiel Mechel Shaier. I'll try to find more information about this. Itzse 17:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
After writing the above, I noticed that his two years in Mainz cannot be true because from 1776 to 1782 we have six years; so I edited accordingly; but this matter still has to be looked into. My best guess is that he received Semicha from Rabbi Tebele Scheur; but I'll try to check it out first. Itzse 17:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The Chasam Sofer in his hesped (eulogy) on Rabbi Mechel Sheur; calls him Alif ne'iroi (teacher of my youth). He also writes that he stood before him during the years 5536 (1776) and 5537 (1777).
From elsewhere I found that Rabbi Mechel became Rabbi of Worms in the year 5538 (1778), and that his brother Rabbi Naftali Hirtz Sheur (1755-1812) who was also Rosh Yeshiva in his fathers Yeshiva while his father was alive; eventually became Rabbi of Mainz in the year 1800. Itzse 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I copyedited much of the work, fixing comma placements and such and editing sentences to remove some of the archaic style of writing. Also, חדש אסור מן התורה is a halacha that applies to grain before the Omer and Shtei-HaLechem; it is not a phrase created by the Chasam Sofer (ZT"L), but a Midrashic phrase appropriated for use in this situation.
Lastly, when talking about the immaleability of Torah, it is the Halachos, the rules, the precedents that are unchanging. For example, it is not true that electricity is Asur because it is new per se; rather, we seek to find the Halachic precedents for it in Torasaynu HaKedosha and see how they apply. As the Halachos of Aish, Makeh B'Patish, or Binyan (for example) are well described, the question is their application (unchanged in their tenents) to this phenomenon. To say that "Everything New is Asur", in my opinion, is to miss the point and walk dangerously along the lines of the Karaim when trying to define the Chasam Sofer.
I had originally changed her name from Sarah to Malka because I found; I think in the Kalischer family tree that her name was Malka. I assumed that Malka must be correct because it seemed highly unlikely that both of his wives were "widows" and also with the same name Sarah. For the correctness of the article I'm changing it back to Sarah as I found it; until someone knows better and brings a source.
Also if someone knows that his first wife was a widow; then add that fact too.
Now regarding the Chasam Sofer's second wife; in the intoduction to the sefer Hayad Hachazaka her first father-in-law calls her Sarah but in Igrois Sofrim in a letter from her father Rabbi Akiva Eiger to her husband the Chasam Sofer; he calls her Sarel. It could still be that her main name was Sarah but her father called her Sarel beloshen chibah Itzse 21:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I verified that Strossnitz is indeed Dresnitz. Also that Rabbi Moses Jerwits was Rosh Beth Din (chief of the Rabbinical court) of Prossnitz. Itzse 20:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
there was a talmid of the cahatam sofer called the Maharam Ash. any information on him? There definately exists a picture of him somewhere....
thanks gevaldik! 20:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
The subject's son, Rav A.S.B. Sofer, played an important role in the development of Hungarian orthodoxy, and his Torah thoughts are widely quoted. I notice we have no article about him. Does anyone have a good resource that I could use for background reading? Alternatively, is anyone willing to start off this article? JFW | T@lk 12:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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The hyphen in "post-humously" seems rather non-standard. (Or rather, let's say -- quite incorrect.) Toddcs ( talk) 18:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)