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Stretford is not in the county of Lancashire it is in the county of Greater Manchester: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretford —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremello22 ( talk • contribs)
Why is Morrisseymusic.com listed as morrissey's official website? Didn't Morrissey say, "Thirdly, I have no connection at all with the site called Morrisseymusic.com. It is controlled by Sanctuary and I am neither consulted nor involved."-- 199.176.241.60 13:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
It's controlled by Sanctuary but that was considered his official site. http://www.true-to-you.net/ is the site Morrissey uses communicate with fans, that's more like his offical site. Englishrose 14:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Should it be changed, thus?-- 24.15.165.14 23:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Morrissey actually entered into any romantic relationships of any merit? There have been some speculations, both of a hetro and homosexual nature, but I was just wondering if there is any evidence to back up any of these claims?
No evidence exists either way. Morrissey is tight-lipped on the subject of his private life, and rightly so, I might add -- what he does is no one's business (this idea goes without saying), and whatever he did say would unquestionably be twisted, dissected, and ultimately corrupted by the media, and, I daresay, interpreted in various opposing ways by much of his longtime, über-devoted fanbase. Weavermoz 02:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Morrissey had a close companion called Jake Walters circa 1993-5. It was widely rumoured the pair were romantically involved, but once again never confirmed or denied (Jake's hands appear on the back of the Vauxhall and I album). Whether true or not, this is the closest to a "public relationship" Morrissey has ever had.
Morrissey was romantically linked to a certain Lee Farrant during the mid 1980s, and they were often seen arm in arm frequenting various south London boutiques.
Actually, Jake Walters (who was also Morrissey's personal assistant circa 1994-1995) has denied that he was romantically involved with Morrissey. He was quoted in the infamous Dave Simpson 1998 Uncut article, and he claimed that Morrissey and he were friends and shared a flat for some time (until 1995), and that, even though they weren't that close anymore, they still heard from each other from time to time. (BTW, he also called Morrissey 'the most interesting and fascinating character I've ever met.) ( http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1998/uncut.htm) It's true that Morrissey didn't confirm or deny it, but then, he was never asked about it in an interview, to the best of my knowledge.
To make things clear: Morrissey has admitted to having been in love, having had relationships, or having had sexual encounters - he just never named anyone. It's certain that in his pre-Smiths days (as a teenager/early 20s) he had some failed relationships and sexual encounters that he described as mostly bad. He has said that he lost his virginity at the age of 12 or 13, and that a series of bad experiences made him decide to abstain from sex. In 1992 interview he mentioned matter-of-factly that he had slept with women and had a 'physical encounter' with a man 10 years before. (source: http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1992/observer.htm) There's also Johnny Marr's explanation (Record Mirror, 1984): "Morrissey doesn't participate in sex and hasn't done so in a while, he's had a lot of girlfriends in the past and quite a few men friends." Morrissey also once made an off-remark once about a 'girl I once had a relationship with'... (quoted in the book "Morrissey In Quotes")
Finally, in a 1997 interview in The Guardian (source: http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1997/affair.htm) he said that he had had a relationship with someone during the previous two years (that would mean around 1995-97), which had ended 'recently' (as the article said). He didn't say anything about who the person was. He has also said several times in recent years that he hasn't been celibate for years. Now, how many other 'relationships of merit' he has had, and who with - I don't know.
And yes, there are tons of rumours about men or women who were supposedly involved with Morrissey at some point. Some of these rumours have absolutely no foundation (e.g. the rumour about him and Michael Stipe, which Morrissey has strongly denied, only started because people misread an interview of his to mean that the song 'Found, Found, Found' was about Stipe, which he actually never said), in other cases there might be some truth to it, but there is no definite proof. The only exception, as far as I know, is a a remark in a letter to one of his pen-pals (1980-1981): "Will you send me some pornography? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you like girls? I have a girlfriend called Annalisa. We're both bisexual. Real hip, uh? I hate sex." source: http://www.torr.org/moz/letters.htm He was very probably referring to a certain Annalisa Jablonska, who contributed the vocals to 'Pretty Girls Make Graves' and 'Suffer Little Children' (described by Marr as 'Morrissey's friend Anna'). Also, in his book "Morrissey and Marr: The Severed Alliance", Johnny Rogan mentions a black girl called Marcia that Morrissey "had a brief fling with" when he was 18, but I don't know if he has any proof that she was actually his girlfriend rather than just a friend.
There was also speculation about his relationship with (his life-long friend, artist and former Ludus singer) Linder Sterling, particularly about the time in early 80s when he supposedly shared the flat in Whalley Range with her and Ludus guitarist Ian Devine, or at least was a very regular visitor to the place (there are conflicting rumours on the matter). Nick Kent first made the assumption about Morrissey's and Linder's alleged previous relationship and speculated about the Smiths songs that might have been written about her, in his detailed 1985 article on The Smiths' past in The Face http://foreverill.com/interviews/1985/dreamer.htm (which angered Morrissey very much and resulted in Kent being banned from The Smiths camp). It is also discussed in a few entries in Simon Goddard's book "Songs That Saved Your Life". It's never been confirmed or denied; Morrissey has never been publicly asked about it, as far as I know; Linder has, in a recent interview (September 2006): "You've worked a lot with Morrissey, there's rumours you've been lovers..." - her only comment on this remark was "There's lots of gossip." http://www.gogoparis.com/gogogo/?q=taxonomy/term/348
Other people who have been rumoured to have been involved with Morrissey include his recent (male) manager, his (female) personal assistant around 2004, a male fan around the same time, an unnamed girlfriend circa 2002/2003 (could be the same one as the female PA, or not), his former press guy, a female fan called Wendy he used to be friends with...and so on. You get the idea. Basically, anyone who ever was seen in public with him or is known to have spent any significant time in his company is a suspect. :D I have absolutely no idea if any of those rumours were somehow founded, or if they were complete rubbish.
I hope this has answered your question in a satisfactory way... I can't help you any more than this. His life is largely still a mystery. I'm sorry if this post is too gossipy, I'm not usually like that. ;) I like the fact that he prefers to keep his private life private. I hate it when celebrities talk about their love affairs in gossip magazines etc. Nightandday 12:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
When we talk about Morrissey having publicly declared his celibacy, what exactly do we mean? That is, are we talking about sex or marriage?
A full transcript of the interview where Johnny Marr claims that Morrissey had a bisexual past but at the time of the interview was asexual can be read online here: http://www.cemetrygates.com/vault/smiths/record.html -- 216.162.194.156 06:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The article for "The Smiths" reads '(...)rock group(...)' while this one reads '(...)pop band(...)'. I think it's advisable to mantain the same major music genre between these related articles... after all it's the very same encyclopedia.
Is there such a thing as an ethical vegetarian. Ifr so ios he one. SDources only please. I dispute strongly that his latest views have divided the country. That would imply a huge num ber of Brits supported his stance which is clearly false. Please don't insert POPV as fact. The reality is almost everyone thinks he is an extremist whose dangerous POV verges on the criminal, if it isn'tt criminal. Classical example of an uppity pop star who knows how to sing and uses that talent to try and promote political extremism, SqueakBox 16:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Also the justification of his use of the Union flag based on things that happened years later comes across as trying to disprove the fascist roots of Morrissey, and has been removed as such, SqueakBox 16:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't like his politics but I used to love The Smiths. But he seems from his actions and words to have become right-wing in the nasty, intolerant motivated by hate sense of the word, and I think about as much of violent animal extremists as I do of Islamic terrorists, ie they make the governemnt batten the hatch down, justifying all sorts of reactionary measures that take away from everyone's freedom because of the actions of a tiny, extremist minority, all very pseudo-radical and unhelpful towards the greater goal of a better, freer world for both humans and animals. I do feel there was some POV pushing in the article as it was, and indeed I haven't actually gone through the whole lot in the editing sense. Your further edits to my edits look great. Anyway I cam to the article reading this article on him, SqueakBox 18:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Somebody wrote "Morrissey is currenly a vegan" but did not provide any source for that claim. Morrissey never said anything about being vegan, he never campaigned against the use of dairy or eggs for food, and in his recent interview on the Russell Brand show he said he doesn't consider himself a vegetarian, "I just don't eat meat". Therefore I've removed that piece of information which seems obviously wrong. 212.200.209.73
Was there anything that prompted the accusation of racism more than performing in the Union Flag? This objectively looks nationalistic, not racist! David.Monniaux 12:04, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm no expert but some read into Morrissey's lyrics that he was racist - "hang the DJ" in "Panic. Apparantly at the time most DJ's were black. A bit tenious i know but some apparantly really do believe it. His comments such as "black people and white people will never really get on or like each other" didnt help either. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can shed a bit of light on it.-- 195.188.152.14 01:12, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Initial racism accusations definitely date from the time of "Panic"'s release - they were based, as I recall, on the lyrics to "Panic" which go "Burn down the disco/Hang the blessed DJ/Because the music that they constantly play/It says nothing to me about my life" (an interpretation that implicitly assumes "disco" - the building and the musical form - must always correspond to "non-white music", which is an interpretation that appears to be at best arguable, at worst hopelessly simplistic - as indicated, for example, by Johnny Marr at the time, who pointed out in NME that New Order had no black members, and yet created great disco music); but the accusations were also based on a contemporaneous Morrissey quote that stated "all reggae is vile". I seem to recall (from memory only) that it was the NME of the 1985/86 period that primarily saw this professed musical taste (or lack thereof) as inherently racist. Dave12345 22:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The writer appologizes for Moz' racism stating that Moz had a black friend. I do not believe that one makes up for the other: racism is racism, it is an absolute flaw of a person be it antipathy for one group or several groups of people. Diegueno 15:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Somebody needs to cite a lot of the quotes concerning this issue, such as the "thrilled that many of his new fans were skinheads," because I can't find a citation of that anywhere.
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Actually Morrissey if not racist he was certainly a xenophobe in the late 80s and early 90s. A proof of that is the song "Bengali in Platform" The lyrics go like this:
"No no no
he does not want to depress you
oh no no no no no
he only wants to impress you
Bengali in platform
he only wants to embrace your culture
and to be your friend forever
Bengali, Bengali
oh shelve your Western plans
and understand that life is hard enough when you belong here"
Also, consider "The National Front Disco" and "We'll Let You Know". Check this link -
http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1992/caucasian.htm it is an examination of his thoughts of race and nationality. I'm a fan of his and I believe earlier in his career he certainly had racists attitudes which has since disappeared. He signed the anti-fascist UAF statement and he rejected a request from Nancy Sinatra to issue a single with a cover version of "Bengali in Platforms". (This can be found on various articles around Wikipedia related to Morrissey) —Preceding
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talk) 17:38, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
I removed the speculative and unfounded nonsense that he was a big supporter of various ant-racist organizations, because there is zero evidence that he was/is. Also since when was the Labour Party a "anti-racist movement"??. Also to the contrary "Mozza" has been more of a supporter of the racist British National Party than any other U.K. political party. Stop trying to sugar coat the guy FFS.
"Where is the evidence that Moz supported the BNP? In iterviews he has stated his opposition to censorship and that includes the BNP. Morrissey has always supported left-leaning, liberal causes e.g John Kerry for president, and been anti-right leaning, establishment figures, e.g Margaret Thatcher and the Queen." Ask me 22:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Many people support liberal causes and are still racist.
Ok ok ok...From what i have gathered on this discussion board...there are some people who dislike morrissey the person and want to paint him in a negative light. They claim other people are suger coating morrissey which isn't true. the Racism allegations are false and have been explained by many why they are false. Morrissey himself said he is not a racist. The problem is he speaks his mind and isn't neccessary PC and careful to make sure journalists can't twist his words against him. For example, didn't he once state that there is a problem with immigration when you allow people to freely come in a country. Many people took this as racism. He then had to go back and point out that he simply meant that the resources are not there and both local communities and the immigrants themselves are screwed. Which is true. It makes sense and there is no racism. For those who do not like Morrissey and his politics, stop trying to paint him a a negative light on his wikipedia page. It's a difference of beliefs. His recent animal militia comments were also overblown. Yes morrissey supports them. but his value on animal lives is not understood by those who do not value animal lives. He sees the life of animals as equal to humans. Thus the humans are already murdering the animals. One being killing another being--both equal to each other. Get over it. It's for sure not right-wing. It's not radical in his eyes as well as too many. Both are violent acts as Morrissey stated. His point was to point out that both are violent acts. THAT's THE POINT!!! Should I repeat myself.
"I have no interest in claiming Morrissey as a Labourite, but The Smiths were part of Red Wedge in the 80's, which was very closely linked to Labour."
Yes but the point was made in the article that he can't be racist because he is a Labour supporter. That's what doesnt make sense. Again what has Labour got to do with fighting racism? One could say the same about the Tories or Lib Dem if that were the case.
"They also played at least one 'Rock vs Racism' benefit gig."
Couldnt find a single story on them playing any RAR gig.
I have removed the false, and indeed libellous allegations that Morrissey supported the NF/BNP at any point, and I am reinstating the fact of Morrissey's support for the Labour Party (an explicitly anti-racist organisation, please check its constitution, history etc), Anti-Apartheid, Amnesty International, Unite Against Fascism et al. Sources and references will follow.
For starters, here is proof of Morrissey's 2004 statement of support for Unite Against Fascism, a militantly anti-NF/BNP camapign.
http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4
And here's his support of the explicitly anti-racist Amnesty International
http://www.nndb.com/org/761/000051608/
And while they may not have played an actual RAR gig they did play an anti=apartheid benefit as mentioned here
http://www.visi.com/fall/gigography/gig86.html
here
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/12/21/do_as_i_say.php
and here
http://foreverill.com/interviews/1987/thorn.htm
Find someone else to smear Mr BNP supporter/Morrissey hater/both. FFS.
-JG 23.41 29.3.06
I've added lyrics from "Irish Blood English Heart" which I think are more pertinent to this topic than those already posted from "You Are The Quarry".
The item that begins "In retaliation to the above-mentioned statement, a contradictory statement, purportedly made by Morrissey..." and continues to quote at length a statement from Morrissey taken off www.true-to-you.net is likely out of the bounds of "fair use" and likely copyright infringement. Even if it is not, I have no idea why such a long and barely newsworthy statement is on what's supposed to be an encyclopedia page.-- MrFluff 05:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the item on the Curse of Morrissey. Feel free to re-add if this can be proven to be a common term (hardly registers on google outside of this Wiki-page).
Should the quote from Moz about voting against GWB be removed? It's already on WikiQuote, and this page is getting out of control.-- MrFluff 05:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The last couple of sentences in the 'Sexuality' section didn't read well. I've changed the punctuation a bit.
This is a name people use to refer to Steven Patrick Morrissey. He is more commonly known as Morrissey. He was the lead singer in The Smiths, and later went on to a solo career. why??????
Thank you very much for sharing these pearls of wisdom with us all, thank God we can sleep easy tonight.
It isn't just an alias, it's a symbol for those who will carry the sometimes painful wheight of the unshared pashion for his work, life and everlasting beauty. MOZZ4Ever
Can anybody elaborate about the 'lifelong' feud between Morrissey and The Cure's Robert Smith?
I don't think Morrissey was at the concert. He may have said he was there, jokingly, as it a known that more people claim to have been there than was actually present. - Kvaks 20:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Why do you think Morrissey was not present...? Certainly the documented evidence is out there (search on http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=morrissey+%22free+trade+hall%22+pistols&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N for numerous references).
Update: The young Morrissey wrote the following letter to the NME, after attending the gig:
18 June 1976 - NME (UK) Review by Steven Morrissey of a Sex Pistols concert: "I pen this epistle after witnessing the infamous Sex Pistols in concert at the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall. The bumptious Pistols in jumble sale attire had those few that attended dancing in the aisles despite their discordant music and barely audible lyrics. The Pistols boast having no inspiration from the New York / Manhattan rock scene, yet their set includes, "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone", a number believed to be done almost to perfection by the Heartbreakers on any sleazy New York night and the Pistols' vocalist / exhibitionist Johnny Rotten's attitude and self-asserted 'love us or leave us' approach can be compared to both Iggy Pop and David JoHansen in their heyday. The Sex Pistols are very New York and it's nice to see that the British have produced a band capable of producing atmosphere created by The New York Dolls and their many imitators, even though it may be too late. I'd love to see the Pistols make it. Maybe they will be able to afford some clothes which don't look as though they've been slept in."
source: http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/moz-mb.htm
In addition, he also wrote a letter to Melody Maker: "I think that their audacious lyrics and discordant music will not hold their heads above water when their followers tire of torn jumpers and safety pins." source: Johnny Rogan, "Morrissey and Marr: The Severed Alliance", 1993, p. 82 Nightandday 17:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
including those touched by his music. Ask me
Strange section this, and not entirely accurate. Morrissey certainly has had brushes with the law (police raiding his house following the Margaret on the Guillotine lyrics), dealing with alcohol and drug abuse (albeit band members habits rather than his own) for example.
I agree, the entire section is highly debatable and confusing. There are plenty of examples of reclusive rock stars and Morrissey's ongoing feuds with the media, other musicians, etc is very rock star-ish. Also, unflamboyant is not a word. Morrissey is often characterized as flamboyant anyway (google: "Morrissey flamboyant" and see for yourself). Basically, this whole section is bogus and should be removed.-- MrFluff 04:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
An anon ip recently changed "He is 6' (1.83 m) tall." to "His height is between 5'6" and 6'.", and changed "The song Let Me Kiss You from Morrissey's latest album You Are the Quarry is dedicated to her." to "The song Let Me Kiss You was recorded by Nancy with Morrissey and Alain Whyte singing background vocals.". Does anyone know if these changes are valid? Arniep 00:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"The song Let Me Kiss You was recorded by Nancy with Morrissey and Alain Whyte singing background vocals.". That certainly is true, Nancy release the same song on the same day Morrissey did. Englishrose 14:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Michael Stipe article doesn't contain the word admire, neither does the Doherty article. Indeed none of the 7 links contain the word admire so we stil need a source that for each one of these people admiring him, SqueakBox 14:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Colin Meloy recorded a tribute album of Morrissey covers.
Jesse Lacey-
He is the lead singer of Brand New. In their song, "Mixed Tape" they sings, "I'm sick of your tattoos and the way you always criticize the Smiths and Morrisey."
To the feud's section I added a bit about the comments made about Morrissey by Manic Street Preachers' Nicky Wire and Richey James Edwards. -Did you source it? To tell the truth, me and my sis always argue who is etter, Richey or Moz. I always win ;). But seriously, I didn't know they actually fought.-- ¢² Connor K. 18:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me if this has already been mentioned, but an in-depth exploration of Morrissey's Latino -- particularly Mexican -- fanbase is urgently necessary. The Latino/Morrissey phenomenon warrants a documentary (Is It Really So Strange?) but not a mention on Wikipedia? What would Esteban say?
I have removed the following sentence: "A few months later Richard Edwards disappeared. Many people have speculated that he commited suicide but no body has ever been found and officially he is recorded as being a missing person."
It's quite off topic, in this context it actually seems to suggest that Moz is responsible of Edwards' disappearance. cheers, ArchStanton
Why in the world is everyone doing this? This is a biography of Morrissey - so why is everyone removing parts that have to do with The Smiths? The entire Smiths biography shouldn't be in here, mind you, but his time with them should be summarised in a bit more detail, and things about him in other sections that happened while he was with the Smiths shouldn't be removed.
Also, there is an urgant need to expand the section about his solo career, which is dreadfully short. There is much much more to be said there.
When you are born in a hospital in Davyhulme, partly raised in Hulme and Stretfort are you than a singer and songwriter from Stretford from Hulme or what ??? Is'nt he a singer songwriter from Manchester ???
The debate about Manchester v Trafford is one for the football fans; it shouldn't deflect people from serious research about Morrissey. For the serious students here are the facts: Harper Street and Queens Square were not in Hulme but Old Trafford, bordering Hulme. Morrisey actually refers to this on a link you can find on YouTube. I lived in that area and remember those places, being the same age as Morrissey. People around there think of themselves as being from Manchester; Trafford is a 1970s invention! I can understand Smiths fans not wanting his name associated with famous sporting venues but the idea that he was from Hulme is part of the legend rather than the truth. Anybody obsessive enough to want to check this out (like me!)should get the librarians at the Local History section of Manchester's Central library to dig out the old maps for you. That's what I did as I was sure I remembered those streets - Harper Street at least as I was, like Morrissey, only a nipper when Queens Square was demolished - being in Old Trafford rather than Hulme. Hulme has more hip credibility because it is within the boundaries of the city of Manchester, thereby accrditing Morrissey's Mancunianism; also it is associated, through the old crescents, with the rise of rave culture during the 1980s. Then again this is what we want icons to represent: a romantic idea rather than the dull reality. Morrissey was a myth-maker like Bob Dylan and this has become part of the myth. Or is this inaccuracy more the fault of writers like Johnny Rogan and Dave Haslam who have erroneously stated that he grew up in Hulme?
Mozzer99 18:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
does anyone know the name of the film were the smiths are mentioned...
the film is about guys from some american university were they try to kill there roommate because they know that they will get an automatic high score in their final grade, because thats what you get when your room mate "dies". Thye put some articles in his room including a smiths album because they think it will make him come across as a depressed teen who commited suicide...name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.92.232 ( talk) 15:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
There's a lot of rubbish in there. It could do with being removed. Some of of the little facts are okay and could be incorporated into the main part of the article, while other bits would be most welcome in the bin. SaltyWater 19:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Can anybody verify that all these people have publicly admired him? Arniep 03:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Laura Bowen, J. K. Rowling, Bono, David Bowie, Kurt Cobain, Chino Moreno, Daryl Palumbo, Michael Stipe, Jeff Buckley, Noel Gallagher, David Byrne, Joel Madden, Martin L. Gore, Pete Doherty, Harry Hill, Craig Kilborn, Thom Yorke, Chris Martin, Jonathan Ross, Douglas Coupland, Liam Gallagher,Michael Ian Black Jesse Lacey, Ryan Adams, Peter Gabriel, Ricky Gervais, JT LeRoy, Pete Doherty, Jack Black, Davey Havok, Matt Skiba, Brandon Flowers, David Cameron, Colin Meloy, Peter Wentz and Kathy Burke have all publicly stated that they admire Morrissey's work.
Bono, Kathy Burke, J. K. Rowling, Noel Gallagher, Liam Gallagher, Harry Hill all priased Morrissey on the Morrissey documentry, "The Importance of Being Morrissey". of the Documentry
Michael Stipe [2] called Morrissey an "inpiration", and appeared in a photo in "Rolling Stone" in the early 90's with his arm draped around Morrissey and holding his hand (there was a rumour that the two were romantically linked - this was before Stipe came out of the closet).
Jonathan Ross said that Morrissey was one of his idols and also made a big fuss about him appearing on his talk show.
Pete Doherty- Morrissey was his hero and when Morrissey criticised him Doherty got very upset. [3]
David Cameron [4]
Brandon Flowers [www.arjanwrites.com/arjanwrites/ 2005/02/the_killers_mys.html] [5] [6].
Kurt Cobain- Mentioned in his biography.
Thom Yorke- Stopped eating meat because of Morrissey. [7]
These are just a few, nearly all of these are common knowledge. I've just picked out the ones that I personally know. Englishrose 09:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
They have certainly not all said they admire him. Cameron, for instance, says he finds the music strangely uplifting. Everyone in that list must be sourced as saying that they greatly admiring Morrisey or the list cannot remain as it is as what it is is a falsification of the truth apparently planted by Morrisey fans which confuses our readers. As for the claim that this is common knowledge, doesn't look like it as 2 people are challenging this alleged common knowledge that is in fact a fantasy in somebody's head. Thisa is a serious encyclopedia and must be treatred as such, where necessary that means sourcing every word, which in this case has clealry not been done, SqueakBox 14:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
"the mainstream majority is unaware of his existence", where did you get such a silly idea from?
Other references:
some others:
I've never seen it mentioned that 'Morrissey used to live in an apartment owned by Garbo' outside of wikipedia. I think this needs to be deleted unless anyone cares to provide evidence.
In fact, he used to live in a house formerly owned by Clark Gable, not Greta Garbo. Nightandday 17:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
A request for a peer review of the Sparks article has been made here Wikipedia:Peer review/Sparks (band)/archive2. Since Morrissey is such a fan maybe you would have a look and help it along KaptKos 19:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Is it me or is there a disproportionate amount of text devoted to Quarry and specifically Tormentors? In the grand scheme of things (i.e. in two weeks when the press stop caring) ROTT is in no way more important, and probably a lot LESS important that Viva Hate. Encyclopaedically speaking. Karlusss 20:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Morrissey is a great guy and told it like it was back in the 80s, when our Brave Men died.
He should be forgiven and allowed to move on, and not held hostage in this Bush-created world terrorist scam. Brandubh Blathmac 00:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC) This can be seen in the infamous documentary The Impotence of Being Morrissey.
Perhaps the Tori Amos feud should be moved from the trivia section to the 'feuds within the music industry' section.
Is the trivia section absolutely necessary? It's a horrible mess and makes the article seem a bit amateur-ish. maxcap 18:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC) On second thought, does anyone think it might be a good idea to split this article into one detailing the band, and another on Morrisey as a personality, and his politics etc? maxcap 22:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I feel that the section showing who are "ans" of "influenced" by Morrissey is quite good as it shows his reach accross the Racial/ Atlantic/ Class/ Genre divides respectivly. It shows how much of a pop culture figure Moz has become and I feel it should be reinstated. (maybe as a link from his main page?) Blu sonic 02:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I've cut the trivia out. Before replacing anything, it needs to be properly cited and evaluated for being actually about Morrisey, instead of belonging to an article about a song, an article about a book, about The Smiths, etc. Jkelly 01:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
There's a ton of references to external sites, some of which could be dead; please verify links and change to proper references rather than direct external links. There are quotes, specifically in the feuds section that aren't cited and need to be.
Also, the bibliography needs to be addressed... BY and ABOUT are two different things entirely; they should be split. Listing of the books properly with ISBN, etc would be nice as well. Xinit 00:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
"Detractors usually describe his work as depressing,"
I find my favorite artists "depressing". Can someone find a better reason as to why some people would look at his work negatively? -- A Sunshade Lust 23:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
This morning's edit by Bearcat removed nothing, and improved the prose. Please read carefully before assuming that major alterations are for the worse. -- ajn ( talk) 19:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Morrissey appeared as himself under the moniker "The Consumer Monkey" on comedy show "Vic Reeves' Big Night Out". This is just not true. Morrissey was being referred to by Vic and Bob but never appeared as himself. The monkey was a childs toy, not easily confused with a man in his late 20s.
is he really from mos side. i cant picture him being from there.
Isn't his first name spelled Stephen, not Steven? Outofstep77 00:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Especially those from Southpaw Grammar onwards? I'm not using this as a forum; instead I'm wondering if such an opinion can be attributed to a music critic?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 00:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
If Morrisey really have trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in his youth it probably wasn't under Renzo Gracie, because he was born in 67. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renzo_Gracie
Now i've never heard of him training Jiu Jitsu before, so could anyone please confirm this fact too? A googlesearch didnt return anything on this fact..
213.114.70.177 06:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)`
I can't find it in here. Don't suppose someone could tell me which paragraph it is please?
Presently the article cites "This Charming Man", "Handsome Devil", "Swallow On My Neck", "Hand in Glove", "Roy's Keen" and "Dear God Please Help Me" as songs with homosexual themes. In addition, "Shoplifters of the World Unite," "Pretty Girls Make Graves," and even "Alma Matters" have been interpretted with homosexual themes or indications while not being directly about homosexual longing. "Alma Matters"'s lyrics are pretty broad, but Morrissey has commented that it was about being in touch with one's sexuality (for example, your female side if you're a male). "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28. "Pretty Girls Make Graves" is moreso about not being attracted to females, rather than about being homosexual ("I'm not the man you think I am"). I'm sure there are more songs that could be brought up, but at the moment none come to mind.
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Um, "homosexual themes"? Let m e see... "Hand In Glove"? I've heard that oen mentioned many times - could anyone please explain where is homosexuality mentioned in the lyrics?
"Pretty Girls Make Graves" is not about homosexuality, it's about male sexual inadequacy - if there is any reason stated, it's in "sorrow's native son, he will not smile for anyone"/"rise for anyone" - if I was to make a guess, I would say that this most probably refers to depression. The problem further identified: 'I could have been wild and I could have been free, but nature played this trick on me'... Why would homosexuality stop a man from being wild and free?!
"Alma Matters" - ? Are you referring to the famous line 'in part and in hole' (spelled like that in the lyric sheet)? I see how that might be seen as referring to bisexuality, but don't see how that can be interpreted as 'homosexual', especially considering the most common slang meaning of the word 'hole'??
"Roy's Keen" - meh. I won't even comment on that one.
"Swallow On My Neck" - debatable. 'I don't know why I held out so long for me and you... until he drew a swallow on my neck...' I've seen people go on and on about the 'swallow' thing - yes, it might be an actual (fake) tatoo (he did have a taoo of swallow on his hands) or a lovebite, or both. So he might be referring to a guy giving him a lovebite ('and more') - so what? It's not exactly a secret that Morrissey has had sexual experiences with both men and women, he's admitted that much, he's also said that he'd be with a person he loved and who loved him, no matter if they were male or female. So what is the big deal? (Surprisingly, nobody ever tried to really analyse this song - everybody seems to be speculating who 'he' is, while I would be even more interested to know who is 'you' that he is addressing in the song.)
"Dear God Please Help Me" - well, here's what Morrissey has said about it, when asked: "I don't think homosexuality is mentioned anywhere in the song." (NME intervew) He goes on to comment on the line 'he puts his hand on my knee' saying that 'it's matter of having an interest from someone who is a 'he', which is something you can't help and can't orhestrate...' Make of that what you will. From what I can hear, it's all very ambiguous, as always. there's a line 'he puts his hand on my knee'... and then there's an explicit reference to sex at the end, which may be with the same person or another - because he switches to 'you'... and the line 'Now I'm spreading your legs with mine in between'... hm, well, I would hardly say that it sounds homosexual in itself, would you? I don't know about you, but if I heard someone say that, I wouldn't think: 'oh, oh, this must be about homosexual sex!'
"This Charming Man" describes what can be called a homoerotic situation that the narrator finds himself in - but I never thought that the narrator ('jumped-up pantry boy' is homosexual; I wouldn't be so sure that he even feels any desire, love or real attraction to the man himself - but this is all a matter for discussion, and the song is far too complicated and invites many possible interpretations. (I would point out the references to poverty, insecurity, enjoying someone's attention etc... not to mention the interesting connection to the movie 'Sleuth'.)
" "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28." So what? Morrissey's views on the subject of alternative sexualities and sexual freedom are well-known (I presume). I don't see how being critical of a conservative amenedment which resticts human rights of people who are homosexual, bisexual, basically in any way sexually different, equates 'oh, the writer of this song must be gay!'
But... "Handsome Devil"?? This one I always found very funny. is it because of the deliberately ambiguous title? Do people assume that 'handsome' must refer to a man? Aren't you aware that it's also used for women (especially those whose beauty is statuesque and striking rather than sweet and tender), and that in 19th century English literature it was quite common to call a good-looking women 'a handsome woman' (example: Jane Austen's novels) - which is something Morrissey must have been aware of? (And moreover, he said once that he knew many women who can be described as handsome' and men who can be decribed as 'pretty'.) Funny how people always go 'oh, this is a gay song!' without thinking much, while in fact... it's far from that. OK, so there's the line 'who will swallow whom'... but with lyrics such as 'let me get my hands on your mammary glands' and 'a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand'? ;) "Homoerotic desire', indeed! LOL That's as 'heteroerotic' as it gets. Do I have to spell it out? You do know what 'mammary glands' are? And that the word bush, besides its literal meaning, also refers to a certain part of female anatomy. :) hint: some other words related to the same organ are 'hole', 'pussy'.
BTW 'flap' can also refer to a part of that organ - still, interestingly, none of the hunters of sexual double entendres in Morrissey's lyrics has ever suggested that "Alsatian Cousin" is heteroerotic, despite the line 'with your tent-flap open wide'. ;) I'm not saying he must have meant anything other than the actual tent-flap, but isn't it interesting that people are always ready to discover any possible 'homoerotic' meanings, but are always blind to the 'heteroerotic' ones (even when they're bloody obvious, as in the quoted lines of Handsome Devil)? I don't see people going on about "Wonderful Woman", "Half A Person", "Disappointed", or any song that explicitly defines the object of affection as female, a 'she' ("I Won't Share You" is one of them ('the note I wrote as she read, she said: Has the Perrier goen ot my head, or is life sick and cruel instead'), yet people seem determined to overlook it and keep insisting it's about... Johnny Marr?! I suppose we should also assume that a song that mentions a 'he' is about a woman?!) Where are the articles listing the shockingly 'heteroetoric' imagery in Morrissey's lyrics and artwork (Alexandra Bastedo on "Rank"?! Diana Dors on "Singles"?!), analysing the possible sordid sexual meanings of Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others, or calling The Public Image a 'coming out' song??? ;)
Yep... that's what I call a DOUBLE STANDARD.
But, if you imagine just for a moment that homosexuality were the norm and heterosexuality was 'alternative sexuality', you'd be doing exactly the above and going on about how 'obviously straight' Morrissey must be...and why doesn't he finally admit it? How long is he going to be in denial/tortured about his heterosexuality? ;)
Come on people...we supposedly live in a liberal society where homosexuality is considered no better or worse than heterosexuality...right? RIIIIIGHT??? :p
Nightandday 10:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The term Bona Drag is old gay slang for "nice outfite" 121.210.29.153 14:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
While I'm not sure that such a large portion of the article needs to be devoted to discussing his sexuality, part of his appeal is probably in some way related to his sexual ambiguity, and that deserves some mention. maxcap 15:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that even back in the day when Moz was proclaiming his celibacy, his lyrics never suggested a person who experienced no sexual feelings whatsoever, or one who was happy being celibate — they generally depict a person who has a strong sexual desire, but for a variety of reasons (shyness, difficulty connecting with people sexually and romantically, not being found attractive by potential sex partners, etc.) feels stymied and knocked down and unable to act on that desire, and who experiences profound loneliness because of these barriers. Which is, needless to say, a very different thing than being asexual or celibate-by-choice. FWIW, anyway. Bearcat 19:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"It's not that people are interested in his (implied) homosexuality because it's seen as being odd, people are interested precisely because he's spent his entire career strongly implying it without being explicit, and that's what has caused the speculation and discussion. --ajn (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC) "
Well, I interpret some of his lyrics as implying it. "Keats and Yeats are on your side / While Wilde is on mine," for example. But, of course, that's just my interpretation. It's OR that I wouldn't want put in the article. Regarding recent edits to this section, respectfully, I don't think we can speak for Morrissey. We can certainly quote him if we have a reliable source, but we shouldn't presume to speak for him. Also, we should be wary of putting unsourced rumors about living people into a Wikipedia article. -- GentlemanGhost 00:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph in the sexuality section is so beautifully written its almost unencyclopedic Leopold Stotch 07:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
That flash video of "Morrissey Dance" is not informative, and does not belong on Wikipedia. Please check the policies on links before adding one. Thanks. -- ¢² Connor K. 17:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is far too opinionated for an encyclopedia. The author claims Britain was obsessed with draping pop stars in the Union Flag and Morrissey came to the rescue to take the flag back? This is merely someones interpretation and has no factual basis. The racism accusations are also trivialised and the author even offers an explanation in case we think badly of Morrissey!.
"One song cited by the NME as proof of Morrissey's racism was "Asian Rut" from 1991, which vividly describes the murder of an Asian man by white racists. However, with lines such as "it must be wrong/three against one?" Morrissey appears to be quite obviously sympathising with the victim in the song, not the perpetrators.:"
Yes quite obviously.
This needs a re-write by someone impartial.
So... you're trying to say that it's likely that 'it must be wrong/three against one" he it could be interpreted as if he was sympathizing with those who killed the Asian boy?! 212.200.209.73
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There is zero mention of Morrissey's nickname ...WTF? There is some sound company MOZ on wiki that has no disambiguation and can't until it's mentioned that Morrissey's nickname is 'Moz.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.149.9 ( talk) 14:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
This is not an encyclopedia entry -- it's a page written by some devoted fans who want to portry Morrissey in the best possible light. This is inappropriate, and I think the page needs a significant rewrite; in particular, the "trivia" section should be mostly or completely removed. This is my opinion, but as Bill Hicks said, it happens to be true. R 07:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
'Morrissey has told that he enjoys watching boxing'
Quotes such as this from the trivia really do need to be removed, unless the comment can be contextualized into saying something about the man's character.
That said, I'm not sure I'd go quite as far as 'fan page'; what bits do you think are overly sycophantic? Robdurbar 09:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
I believe Morrissey's cultural status and influence merits a very detailed page; there is a reason Wikipedia is superior as a resource, and it is not because it is a dry, concise 'overview' of its subjects. 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
If You Are The Quarry is his most successful album, having sold "more than a million" copies (i.e. about a million plus), how can he have sold 80 million total?
I figured for sure it was a typo and changed it to 8 million, then someone just changed it back. There is absolutely no possible way Moz has sold 80 million worldwide, see the note by maximusveritus above.
I take it back. If you include every Smiths album, plus every Smiths single, plus Moz albums and singles and compilations and include worldwide sales for going on 25 years, 80 million is probably about right. A major label like Warners likes to see back catalog items sell at least a couple of hundred thousand per year, less than that and they disappear from the catalog. so at 100 k per year over the last 20 years, you could add another 2 million per album to the original 1.5 million certified albums, it's not inconceivable that The Smiths have sold anywhere from 10 to 20 million albums in the U.S. alone. Only the accountants at Warner know for sure.
Morrissey has DEFINITELY NOT sold 80 million albums worldwide. If you think otherwise, please produce a source. Please also do not confuse acclaim with sales; The Smiths may be one of the most influential English bands of the 80's, but they did not sell well outside the UK and Europe, at least not in a mainstream pop sense. If Morrissey had sold 80 million records, then no way would he have been without a record deal for 7 years. Even as of today, he is signed with the independent Sanctuary, whom are having major financial troubles and could be out of business this year. To put "80 million albums" in perspective, Nirvana IN TOTAL sold 50 million albums worldwide, just as an example. Morrissey definitely HAS NOT sold 80 million records.
I've run through the "Fan sites" to verify that they still exist, and the ones that contained obvious copyright violations (bootleg downloads, scanned photos from magazines, etc) have been removed. Anything that was a fan blog was removed on vanity grounds, and a couple of the better looking sites with a lot of information (and a nice layout) were kept as representative of the fan community. See WP:EL#What_should_be_linked_to...
"In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose." Xinit 00:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The Fan Sites that people are adding back are not useful for the context of this article. A site that features new photos that are copyright-infringing or a site that lists bootlegs for download, or a fanatic's blog about Morrissey, or a fan forum that has a small handful of posts; non of these add anything verifiable or useful to the article. I propose that They ALL be deleted, and will do so in 24 hours if there is no dispute.
Why are morrissey-solo, true-to-you and passionsjustlikemine out again without any reference here? I agree with Acegikmo and SaltyWater, these links are very useful. I would like to add them again, if there are no good reasons why they shouldn't be mentioned. -- Zommer 10:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Morrissey was born in the Park Hospital in Davyhulme (Trafford) on 22 May 1959. He lived in Harper Street, Hulme (Manchester) till 1965 when his family moved to Queens Square on the border of Hulme near Moss side. Finally moved to King's Road 384, Stretford (Trafford) in 1969.
Whoever wrote this has the order the wrong way round. Queen's Square was demolished first, in the early sixties, Harper Street wasn't demolished till the late sixties. I know that of which I speak as I grew up in the area and remember Harper Street well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.194.254 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Mozzer99 17:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
OK - Check out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onEFbTS002U In it Morrissey refers to the place he grew up in as both Old Trafford and Hulme. The person who deleted the previous entry about this doesn't want to have a proper discussion and would prefer legend to fact. The average Morrissey fan probably associates O/T with sport and almost wretches at the thought that 'the fey one' could have grown up in such an area. Why do you think he writes songs about the Munich Air Disaster? Go figure, fool! Also, ye pilgrimage makers, get an A-Z and and have a walk around O/T, not the sporting stadiums, the area itself - it actually includes a lot of the type of streets evoked by Morrissey in his lyrics and imagery. Hulme has nothing of the kind left but O/T and Moss Side do. So ner! Sucks to you! Ye re-writers of history!
Can anyone verify this?
A quick Google search for 'Morrissey' and 'vegan' brings up numerous articles where he is mentioned to be one, including articles from the
The Times and
The Indepedent. However, beside these few publications, I've never encountered any interview or article where he himself discusses veganism, going only as far as arguing solely against meat-eating. --
Ferix
17:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Not everything you read in magazines is true. It's common knowledge that Morrissey doesn't eat meat and he is firmly against it, but he never said anything about being a vegan, and he never campaigned against the use of dairy or eggs. "Vegi" most likely stands for 'vegetarian', not 'vegan'. And in hsi recent interview on the Russell Brand Show, Morrissey said he doesn't consider himself a vegetarian, "I just don't eat meat." 212.200.209.73
maybe you should read this article "it was reported in the April 2006 issue of SPIN Magazine that Morrissey now wears fake leather shoes".
He is not a vegan. He's remarked numerous times that he eats various dairy products. He also has mentioned eating eggs. He's a vegetarian, not a vegan. He doesn't "eat flesh". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackeyedsioux ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
so, the old "trivia" section has found its way back again. it's a mess, it's mostly relatively irrelevant. purge again? Barbara Osgood 22:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The List of socialists from Western Europe cites Morrissey as a Socialist. This could certainly be interpreted from many of his songs, foremost being, perhaps, Nobody Loves Us, for example, among others... but does anyone have any published evidence of this? And if so, would it be worthy for addition to this article?-- 24.15.165.14 05:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Every week someone changes the main photo, please stop doing that. Especially if you don't know how to do it properly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yamanbaia ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
Morrissey's peeps have been unhappy with the photo selections-- 198.172.207.86 07:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The new photo is hideous and should be changed immediately. People might mistake him for a ginger. Ninmat ( talk) 23:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Has Morrisey, since going solo, produced any vegetarian songs or Animal Rights ones like "Meat is Murder"? Robert C Prenic 16:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
the only one i can think of is Ouija board,Ouija board where he sings "Well, she has now gone From this Unhappy Planet with all the carnivores And the destructors.." Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages
in Every day is like sunday video the girl wears a "i dont eat my friends t-shirt" and the video for interesting drug has a lot to do with animal rights. in at last i am born he sings "vegetarians know i am born" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.255.123 ( talk) 15:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has twice added a Catholic category to this article. I don't believe we have evidence in the article that Morrissey is in any sense a Catholic; even if he was I think I would want reliable sources and some reason why such an inclusion would be encyclopedic. What do others think? -- John 19:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
He was brought up a Catholic, but I would agree that he would really need to be a practicing Catholic now to merit inclusion in the category. -- 88.111.54.115 11:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I find this odd; all biographies of Morrissey state that he was brought up in a working class Irish Catholic family in Manchester (or thereabouts, see Places section below). This isn't a matter of what his relationship to the Catholic church is now; as the man himself might say, its in the blood, and an unexceptional and ineradicable facet of biography. So why should any such suggestion be "aggressively removed"? Its clearly not a slur. And the notion that one has to be a practicing catholic to actually be one (and thus "merit inclusion in the category") is an odd position. Few of my catholic friends, nor myself, practice or even believe particularly; but indeed catholic is what we are. Zafio ( talk) 15:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
See for example the entry for James Joyce. Early in life, Joyce renounced the Catholic church, though it would be absurd to say he was not a Catholic writer. Zafio ( talk) 15:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Zafio, so neither you nor your friends practice or "believe particularly" in Catholicism, and yet you consider yourselves Catholic? I don't see how that works, and in my experience its almost always the exact opposite. Most people I know and meet are very reluctant to describe themselves as anything specifically religious unless they practice and believe wholeheartedly. Isn't one of the central criteria for inclusion in the Catholic faith the receiving of communion? Aren't you by definition not a Catholic if you do not partake in this ritual on a regular basis?
While it's beyond debate that Morrissey was raised in an Irish Catholic family, I would imagine that he has spent the majority of his life not practicing or observing any of the tenets of the Catholic faith, and I doubt he would describe himself as a Catholic if asked. "This isn't a matter of what his relationship to the Catholic church is now," you say. So nothing he says now or in the future can change his supposed Catholicism? Many people are born into one faith or another but go on to renounce and criticize that faith later in life. Are you saying these people are actually still members of their religion, even if they themselves vehemently distance themselves from it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.122.77.17 ( talk) 03:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Will I be flogged for offering to once-again change the photo to something a bit more flattering? I saw moz for the first time a few days ago and can state with considerable (male-)heterosexual objectivity this is a pretty handsome man and the pic doesn't do him justice.
Let the floggings commence ... CeilingCrash 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Another person who may be included as criticising Morrissey is Henry Rollins. In a recent special on Rage (Aus music show) a clip was played of Henry Rollins absolutely ripping into Morrissey. He says something along the lines of "Morrissey embodies every bad trait a person can have". I will need to check the actual quote, but its something to that affect. 211.30.151.144 05:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
According to a questionnaire, the first gig Morrissey attended was T.Rex at Belle Vue, Manchester in July 1972. However, other sources say T.Rex played there on June 16th, not July. Any other sources? Yes, I realise this is incredibly pedantic and 'in 1972' would probably do. SteveRamone 14:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/studio/4730/rockon.htm -- 82.69.202.14 15:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed an unsourced statement in the "Feuds within the music industry" section: "As of April 2006, it is understood that Morrissey has paid none of the outstanding royalties to Joyce." Looking for sources, it turns out the truth is more complex than that: according to this statement from Morrissey himself, some back royalties were paid in 1997, and the remainder are being retrieved through various means. I couldn't find anything contradicting this statement or questioning its accuracy, so I took the sentence out. Thomjakobsen 19:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a better source that can be cited for Morrissey's involvement with Amnesty International? NNDB is probably inadequate for Wikipedia's purposes. Mike R ( talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I heard a few songs, and it seems like he sounds much like Jim Morrison. Even the first six letters of the Lizard Man's name match right up.
In effect... could anybody see if there was some sort of inspiration from Morrison? Or The Doors in general? From the context and sound of his music (at least what I have heard), he seems to pull a lot of inspiration from that. I may be wrong, but it's something to think about... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.37.80.173 ( talk) 07:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Might have expected some talk page action following the recent NME article. Just thought it worth noting. Perhaps Wikipedia has managed a reasonable level of neutrality on a contoversial issue, for a change. -- 89.242.207.108 ( talk) 01:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, it hasn't really been resolved, has it? Still, worth at least mentioning. 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we please get a source for all these places in the lead, biography and infobox?
We have Davyhulme, Hulme, Manchester, Stretford and Urmston all (seemingly) competing for the claim to fame with Morrissey. Intrestingly, there is no mention of Salford! This does need addressing asap. Furthermore, I would like to urge users that at the time of Morrissey's birth in 1959, all of these places were in Lancashire rather than Greater Manchester, and only Hulme was/is in Manchester, the rest are seperate places. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 11:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The reason there is debate about this is because Queen's Square, his first address, was literally on the border of Old Trafford and Hulme, right on the dotted line on the map.(Check Youtube for his recent appearance on The One Show if you need verification)He went to primary school in Hulme but his postcode was Old Trafford. Similarly, Harper Street, his next address, was in Old Trafford, slightly further in. Both places are now gone but for those who care you can look them up on local maps held in Central Library (should you be making a pilgrimage, which, own up, you probably will!). The only reason people in Manchester would care about any of this would be football-related, wanting to claim famous people for their tribe. Why anyone from outside Mancunia would give a monkey's is another question. Maybe the fact that he was born in such a transitional place confused even him! Plus, he grew up in England but his family was Irish. He chooses to not affiliate himself with any particular badge of identity or place, part of his appeal perhaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.194.254 ( talk) 16:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Worth mentioning in the Animal Rights section? Red Gown ( talk) 04:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
leather, stating in 1986 that "there is simply no sensible alternative" to leather shoes. He has also said "I find shoes difficult to be ethical about - one just can't seem to avoid leather. One is trapped, ultimately."[52] However, it was reported in the April 2006 issue of SPIN Magazine that Morrissey now wears fake leather shoes.
I have read the above mentioned SPIN article, and Morrissey never states what his shoes are made of, the writer merely infers this because he is aware of Moz's vegetarianism.
I think this needs removing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.30.169 ( talk) 13:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
After looking through the article it appears to have been heavily vandalized. Elsapo ( talk) 20:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC) 14 May 2008
Maybe there should be some information included as to the band that have played with Morrissey - i know there's some biographical detail, but it seems to me that some mention should/could be made of his band. When his albums/live shows are billed as 'Morrissey', then that in effect includes his band, I suppose, and maybe that should be factored in? just a thought, if not feel free to ignore me. Andyroo g ( talk) 12:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree, it's a good idea. Similar to Patti Smith's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesuisbryony ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I know that Morrisey can be linked to Sandie Shaw, Siouxsie Sioux, Nancy Sinatra and Kristeen Young but how are they associated acts?? I thought associated act had to be bands that an artist had to be in some way involved with ie, side projects, subsequent bands. I could be mistaken but I think this may be wrong... -- Reballare ( talk) 12:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Well done on creating the new picture. It looks pretty good, much better than the last one and oddly Morrissey looks younger in this one even though this one and the old one were taken in the same year. Anyway good pic, it makes him look like he has red hair though but I love the effect. Supposed ( talk) 20:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
It's been changed back again to the worst picture of him ever. Could this be classed as vandalism? -- Jimthespring ( talk) 10:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Im desperately trying to find out the name of the song that Morrissey/the smiths sang which was about James Dean? Igt is not the Charming Young Man? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.7.250.87 ( talk) 20:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Without sounding like too much of a square, this isn't anything to do with his wikipedia page if you want an answer search on a fan site. Thanks. JeSuisBryony 13 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesuisbryony ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
its Suedehead by Morrissey.
This article seems way overloaded on pictures. Along with the 19 pictures and one or two other media items, the article appears over crowded. I would suggest culling around five of the pictures, in particular album covers (especially those from The Smiths records) as they are all present on the album articles. Any thoughts? -- Lets Enjoy Life ( talk) 06:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
In the discography for this article, only Morrissey's solo albums are listed. Why are his albums as the vocalist for The Smiths not? The entry for John Lydon contains a list of Sex Pistols, PiL, and solo albums, so why not this article too? ( Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC))
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Surely with all those pictures in the article, including the Alexander picture that was used in the past, and the new Years Of Refusal one, we have no need to start the page with that bad quality live picture, do we? Dollvalley ( talk) 23:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems certain he is bi. Can anyone provide any evidence to the contrary? Werdnawerdna ( talk) 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
This now seems to have descended into an edit-summary argument about who should take it to the talk page, and is clearly damaging the article by eating up any intervening edits. Can these editors please summarise their reason for reverting the others' edits? -- McGeddon ( talk) 16:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
A somewhat comprehensive history of my edits
70% of the edits currently on the Morrissey article are mine. Hours were spent attaining information, finding reliable sources, scanning images, uploading images, organizing and editing the article. I personally feel my edit is superior to the one JD544 and WesleyDodds keep reverting to for various reasons. In fact, I can confidently say that had "Morrissey" not been the nominated article of the week in their WikiProject Alternative music group, they wouldn't have bothered with the article at all. This article has been created via the accumulated work and knowledge of the actual fans of Morrissey...people who actually know what they are talking about...Not people who simply HAVE to edit something just so they have something to show to their group. Not only is it unfair that two people come along and undo the masses work but it is unwarranted.
The following is a list of the problems I have with THEIR edits which lead to me reverting:
1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews.
2. Their edit removes the years under contract while with The Smiths. This page serves as a biography, a solo career page and a Smiths page. There is no valid or conceivable reason to remove those years under contract when the article clearly discusses the subject of The Smiths in great detail.
3. Their edit removes the "occupation" section which lists Morrissey as a vocalist and lyricist in favor of a "instruments" section that solely lists vocalist. Britney Spears is JUST a vocalist because she doesn't write her own material. Morrissey writes his own material and has written his own material since he began his career. Removing this information serves no purpose.
4. Their edit removes mention of Morrissey recently being listed by Rolling Stone magazine as one of the "100 Greatest Singers of All Time". Seeing as this is a major honor, there is no reason for it to be constantly removed by these users.
5. Sections of the article have had their titles changed for no apparent reason. The original titled was "Solo career: 1988-1997". This title was chosen because after 1997 Morrissey went 7 years without a single, a record or a record contract. However, with these users edits they have changed the title to "Launching a solo career". I do not see the purpose of defining a near decade solo with the moniker "launching a solo career". 'Launching a career' would not encompass 10 years worth of albums and singles...after the initial album or two the career is no longer being "launched"...it is an established career.
6. A detailed (but not overly long) account of the Smiths career has been edited down for no good reason. Seeing as this is a Morrissey biography article and he is most known as the lead singer of The Smiths it makes no sense to edit the article down to minuscule proportions and leave out vital information about their formation, career and break-up.
7. Details of The Smiths court case over royalties has been removed from the Smiths section and has instead been placed under the solo career section. Regardless of the court case occurring in 1996 (while Morrissey was solo) it does not belong under that section. It is about the Smiths, it SHOULD be under the Smiths article.
8. The users edits are detrimental to the accuracy of the article. Many up to date changes have been made to the article which have been reverted with their changes such as: "The Sound of The Smiths" has been released since November 10 however on their edit it is still listed as an upcoming release, The release date for the reissue of "Southpaw Grammar" has changed however on their edit it lists an incorrect date, chart information for "The Sound of the Smiths" has been added to the article however their reverts remove this information...there are a few more incorrect and out of date statments in the article I can't think of right off the bat.
There are quite a few other examples of such poor editing on their part but I think you get the general idea.
All these users have really accomplished with their edits is removing the graphics, moving information to improper articles and leaving improper and outdated information on the page. I took these issues to JD544's talk page but was never "graced" with a reply. This was at least a week ago. When faced with these users refusal to come to some common ground, I reverted to the last proper edit of the article. Hopefully this properly answers your query. TheColdDick ( talk) 19:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Proving myself to be a fool ;-) , other problems with the edits are:
I'm sure there must be more that I missed, but that's enough to be getting on with. -- JD554 ( talk) 08:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that all the copyvio images have been deleted, could a kind admin please move the image of Morrissey at the Alexander premier to the infobox along with it's caption. It's currently at the end of the 'Political leaders' section. Thanks, -- JD554 ( talk) 08:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Morrissey is described as a 'singer and lyricists'. He also created the melodies to which his lyrics are sung. Doesn't that make him a composer as well? Wysgeer ( talk) 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This lock of the page has solved nothing as far as what is considered a better edit for the page. If you're not going to unlock the page, at least properly update it instead of letting it and it's relevance fester. TheColdDick ( talk) 09:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews.
It currently says English singer which he clearly is as he was born in England cant find any previous discussion on this page so it either needs a new consensus to change or leave as English. Comment? MilborneOne ( talk) 16:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
There may "seem to be" because it doesn't "seem" to support your POV....go back to July and see the spirited review that was conducted on this subject...and concluded with editorial support for British.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.243.107 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 December 2008
As I have said above there is no previous discussion here on this subject in fact no entries in July at all on any subject. I will give it a few more days and if nobody can come up with a rationale argument to change it we leave the status quo and move to the next disagreement. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
If nobody can come up with a rationale argument to "change it"? You few folks are the ones who have have come along and changed it from its long standing "status quo." And there most certainly was a discussion in July, you didn't do a thorough review...check the sockpuppetry notes of this similar POV pusher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aviousours76 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.243.107 ( talk) 19:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that Morrissey leads directly to the dude. Should it not lead to Morrissey (disambiguation), per Madonna and Feist, etc? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
It's misleading to refer to Morrissey as a baritone.
If any classical term applies to Morrissey's voice he's probably a 'limited tenor', but it would be best not to apply classical terminology to pop music at all. Wysgeer ( talk) 12:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be best if the first sentence described him as an Anglo-Irish singer? a) He was born and raised in England; both parents were from Ireland. b) His 'dual identity' is obviously important to him, as he clearly expressed in his song Irish Blood, English Heart. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 10:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
What citizenship(s) does he hold? I'm sure he would be entitled to British and Irish, but it would be useful to have that info on the article. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 14:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Anglo-Irish wouldn't be appropriate as it applies when the cirsumstances are reversed (i.e. born in Ireland but of English (Brittish?) decent). Irish Briton would be more suitable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.229.124 ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
"appeared on stage draped in the Union Flag, a symbol often associated with nationalism and hence with far right groups in Britain". This is a bit point of view is it not? Is there a consensus for branding people racists because they have had their national flag drapped around them? Perhaps someone should add a racism section to the Denise Lewis article http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/27/102427-004-BF36F4BC.jpg Stutley ( talk) 10:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article his mother was a 'librarian'. Did she have a Masters in this profession? Or was she unqualified and worked in a library i.e. a library assistant? If so this needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 13:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I just wrote a new section of the article on Morrissey's influence. I think it's of an adequate length now but it's by no means complete. Any other help would be greatly appreciated! Grunge6910 ( talk) 22:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I've begun the slow, arduous process of cleaning up these woefully inadequately-formatted references. Some are just a URL. Anyone want to help? Grunge6910 ( talk) 02:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Is Morrissey really a singer/songwriter? He usually calls himself simply a singer. The title is a little misleading as it gives the impressions he writes the music to his songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimie06 ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Morrissey has a ridiculously huge and loyal fanbase of Mexicans and Mexican Americans in the SW US. There are reportedly excellent Morrissey/The Smiths Mexican cover bands. He's even been quoted as saying that he wishes he was born in Mexico. I'm not one of them, but I have heard of it and came here to learn more about it. Can someone who knows more about this include at least a mention about it if not a new section. I know at least one source is "Ask a Mexican" by Gustavo Arellano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.208.122 ( talk) 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with WesleyDodds in this edit where he says this image identifies the subject of the article clearer. The other image [12] doesn't clearly identify Morrissey to readers who may not already be aware of what he looks like. -- JD554 ( talk) 15:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a demonstrable difference in clearness between the two, whereas the current photo seems anachronistic in its setting while the one that's been removed is more appropriate to the article subject. Grunge6910 ( talk) 15:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I recall discussions in the past that infobox images of people should identify the subject as clearly as possible, and unobscured as much as possible. Thus if you have an image of someone who's turned to the side and one of a person facing front, go with the latter. I'm trying to find the guideline for this. WesleyDodds ( talk) 04:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Regarding list of bands influenced by Morrissey: first, I think it's foolish to remove such a large amount of sourced material without talkpage discussion first. Second, I understand the concern over the indiscriminate nature of the list -- does anybody have a suggestion as to better order the list? Grunge6910 ( talk) 16:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Get ready for incoming vandalism ;\ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8324492.stm 87.194.76.247 ( talk) 04:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I laughed so hard when I saw the video of this guy getting boinked on the head with a plastic bottle (of beer?).
And where exactly do you get beer in plastic bottles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.88.44 ( talk) 14:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to ask (nicely!) why has somebody removed the words 'The Present' or at least rephrased it? (I mean, I slaved away writing it for TWO whole minutes). Surely he's moved on from the 'comeback' phrase of his career?
I also added the aformentioned 'Morrissey gets bonked on the head with thrown plastic bottle' but its since been deleted, can the person who did it please explain? Thanks appletaffy nov. 10 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletaffy ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
The plastic bottle incident? Probably because it's of fuck all importance and has no place in an encyclopedia, dear...
I reinserted the following from the lede: "Morrissey's sardonic, literate lyrics tend to be 'dramatic...bleak, funny vignettes about doomed relationships, lonely nightclubs, the burden of the past and the prison of the home' (The Times). He is also noted for his unique vocal style (Rolling Stone)." These summaries of (1) his lyrical and (2) his vocal style are integral to providing an overview of the article subject, and inevitably these will be somebody or other's "assessment." No further rationale for their removal was given. Grunge6910 ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I found a source regarding the song being about Morrissey -- LAist Interview: Russell Mael of Sparks -- but according to Russell the song isn't critical of Moz, so the mention of the single doesn't belong in the Music industry feuds section where it was.
Our song, "Lighten Up Morrissey" is a relationship song about a guy wishing out loud that Morrissey would relinquish some of his core values in order that the guy's girlfriend will better respect him rather than constantly wishing she were with her idol Morrissey. Morrissey only needs to lighten up in the eyes of our song's character.
So does this belong in the article, and if so, where? -- Foetusized ( talk) 20:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Was it 75000 or 28000 pounds he donated? Just wanted to notify on the inconsistency in the article.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.123.46 ( talk) 20:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the concert had a 75,000 pounds deficit, and he then donated 28,000 pounds. But i'm not sure. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.123.46 ( talk) 13:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The sexuality section of the article needs to be expanded, as it is a massive part of his persona. Sexual themes are evident in much of his work, and his 'campness', claims that he used to be celibate etc, leads to much interest and debate on the matter. It is strange that he references and alludes to his sexuality so much in his lyrics, CD covers, interviews etc, yet has never actually stated what orientation he is. If he really was celibate for years, that is very unusual for a man who is in such a fortunate and favourable position in society. Being a rich, famous rock singer gives him millions of potential sexual partners to chose from. He isn't ugly or out of shape - everything is in his favour. Any suggestion / claim that he is asexual is nonsense, as he frequently expresses his sexuality, be it ambiguously. He is known to have had sexual partners before and after his 'celibate years' - we just don't know the number of gender of each of them. Is he deliberately employing sexual ambiguity to gain attention / publicity - or is he just confused? He cannot have been involuntarily celibate all that time, and for him to choose to be celibate for that long is very strange, considering his opportunities. Was he actually celibate for years - and if so - was that merely to prevent kiss and tell stories? It would be good to get some insight on this from someone who actually knows him. How is he, in general, viewed by LGBT people? Do they (try to) 'claim' him as one of them, or do they dislike him for refusing to state his orientation? I've not heard of him being a gay icon, which for a singer who explores homosexual themes in some of his songs suggests there is some reason for his lack of popularity among LGBT people. Has he ever played at LGBT venues? Does he support LGBT causes, such as same-sex marriage? F W Nietzsche ( talk) 11:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The influence of the Moors Murders on Morrissey is possibly confirmed by the assertion made by Stuart Maconie in ''Pies and Prejudice'' that The Smiths were named for Myra Hindley's sister and brother-in-law, who reported Brady and Hindley to police. Maconie is usually a pretty reliable witness.-- 82.112.134.225 ( talk) 20:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I've provided a reliable source for his being Irish-English, yet this is being reverted. What is the problem with this statement? 79.97.144.17 ( talk) 01:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone born to Irish parents is automatically an Irish citizen though [23]. 79.97.144.17 ( talk) 22:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
It's not as if there is some ongoing important dealings re: Morrissey or The Smiths. I just came here to read a bit and noticed that "fuelled" is spelled wrong (only one l). I tried to correct it. No dice.
My bad...I guess "fuelled" is legit. Man...you Brits.
Hi could everyone please be a little less aggressive and trigger-happy? I am a new wikipedian and trying to improve Morrissey's page, which is somewhat lacking at present. It seems bizarre that an artist who is known primarily for his remarkable closeness to his fans has almost no mention of this on his biography, yet repeated mention of unfounded allegations and excessive discussion of his sexuality.
I may have tried to put a link back in inadvertently because I'm new and didn't realise a link I'd posted was deemed 'inappropriate' - I have just discovered the 'messages' page.
I wrote a very reasonable overview of 'relationship with fans' and a user called John shortly thereafter deleted it, labelling it 'rubbish' and simply removing all reference to Morrissey's relationship with his fans. I think this was unreasonable and uncompromising. This needs ot be discussed before consulting a higher authority if necessary.
Morrissey has recently devoted large amounts of time to a feud with fansite Morrissey-solo, issuing a cease and desist order, banning their owner for life and wearing a 'f*** morrissey-solo' t shirt. Nowhere is this even mentioned on the site. Not only this he has in 5 months written 3 times about a website, which again is not mentioned anywhere on the page. This is big news at the moment and has even received press coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyfan4 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the section entitled "Relationship with fans" should be put back in as fully acceptable by Wiki standards as is. It is sufficiently supplied with reliable sources. The noteworthiness is supported by the newspaper articles that specifically discuss his relationship with fans and the fact that the film cited (and mentioned in 8 Wiki articles), which has a certain noteworthiness in itself, also deals with his relations with fans. The section "Turbulent relations with online fanbase, feud with website, internet hoax" seems long and I'd trim it, if and when it got its reliable sources. (A number of the sources in the section are in fact reliable: two Guardian citations and the reference to CHARTattack. Fan sites and blogs aren't useful.) -- I.Hutchesson ► 03:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
According to this article he is vegetarian, yet his name appears in the list of vegans. Can anyone check the facts and make the correction where necessary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.242.246 ( talk) 17:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I've removed some of the external links in the article. Per WP:EL, links that should be avoided include "blogs, personal webpages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority". -- FormerIP ( talk) 19:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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Morrissey himself has said several times that he is asexual, could you please put him in the category `asexual people`? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.89.231.122 ( talk) 14:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Does Morrissey hold any religious beleifs? Does he believe in God? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.156.139 ( talk) 19:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
This is a dispute on this page regarding this section:
In an online interview in June 2012, Morrissey reaffirmed a previous statement he had made indicating he had no plans to continue his music career past the age of 55. [1] This has been seen by certain sections of the media as an indication of his imminent retirement. [2] [3]
The statement made here by Morrissey in the original article ( http://msn.juiceonline.com/morrissey-wordsmith/) I believe can be seen as a legitimate announcement of plans of exiting the music scene and I don't understand why the edit is being consistently reverted.
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He has a gigantic Mexican/Mexican-American following and the article only just barely touches on this. Why? -- 76.105.145.143 ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
It looks like 1982 was the year he formed the Smiths. But other than the header date, there's no actual indication of when or how the name came into being. Anyone know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gef05 ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't know Morrissey. Is his face disfigured, or is the pic a very poor representation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.9.95 ( talk) 18:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is a wretched example of the way Wikipedia is systematically misused to puff individuals featured in it. What the piece needs is (a)serious editing by someone unbiassed, (b) preferably to one quarter of its original length. 86.165.58.188 ( talk) 22:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
New source where Morrissey compares eating meat to pedophillia. [24]--v/r - T P 16:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
With regard to the edit summary in this edit: "I'm not at this stage reverting the previous edit, but there is no reliable evidence whatsoever that Morrissey by 1984 "had a lot of girlfriends in the past and quite a few men friends"." The statement is taken from a sourced interview with Johnny Marr - at the bottom of the page it says "Taken from UK Pop Magazine 'Record Mirror', June 9th 1984, page 14" Is that not a reliable source? If not, why not? Chaheel Riens ( talk) 10:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Other than the solo at the end of Death Of A Disco Dancer there hasn't been any recordings or live appearances where Morrissey has played the piano therefore I would hardly consider it a notable instrument. If there was any instrument other than his beautiful voice I'd say tamborine! So I think it's a wise idea it's removed from the page because he really isn't a pianist. JeSuisBryony 13 September 2008
He likes Farage quite a lot? What a shame to hear that from someone who I used to hold as a hero when I was a student. Time to chuck out the Smiths albums I think. — Preceding
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I have changed the opening sentence describing Morrissey as an English singer. Looking through the archives, I saw there was already a bit of discussion about this circa 2008 but no one made a cogent argument for why it is important to distinguish between English and British. My argument is three fold:
I think referring to Moz as "English" creates unnecessary confusion regarding his ethnic and national background. He's not ethnic English, England is not a country and he doesn't live there in any case. His nationality is British and he's an expatriate residing in the US. He's as English in any sense of the word as Lennox Lewis was when he resided in Canada.
Machine Man ( talk) 22:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
The first sentence of the third paragraph reads: Morrissey have severely criticized fellow singers such as Madonna, David Bowie and George Michael.
This should either read "M. has severely..." or "M. has been severely..."
I don't know enough Morrissey trivia to know which.
Either way, there're no citations given for the severe criticism. Perhaps the sentence needs to go?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicdafis ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
It reads that Wilde was a homosexual. He was not. He had a wife and children. He believed in 'Greek Love'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.13.72 ( talk) 00:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Greek, homosexual love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Of course Wilde was a homosexual you idiot, he was in Reading Jail for confessing to it; in court, someone asked 'Mr Wilde, put simply, did you make love to this man?' Wilde replied 'absolutely not, that is wholly disgusting; he is far too ugly' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.230.34 ( talk) 19:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Can I get a source for the Tony Visconti Quote about the next Moz album? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soonlaypale ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree 100% with Mr. Morrissey regarding TSA. They put their hands on me like I was some kind of sex toy that they couldn't get enough of. I'm a man about Mr. Morrissey age and when another man does that, forget, I want something done to stop this. If they gotta put their hands on me like that, then I want a women doing the search. They threatened to not let me on the plane because I couldn't take this man groping me on every inch of my body. I least I should be allow to choose who does this outlandish search when all I did was forget to take my belt off. I was forced to allow this after stopping the man 3 times and then they said I would not be allowed on the plane. Get the F out of here with this BS. I wasn't even allowed the camera scan because the belt set off the metal detection line. Yes, I don't travel enough to remember the belt, but stop this action on the part of TSA. ⋅÷×− — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKJACK ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I suggest it is removed "Steven Patrick Morrissey" and "Morrissey" is moved to it, because Morrissey is a term that itself is generic and name of the article should respond to the legal name of the person not the "alias" and less if the alias can mean many things unrelated to this specific person -- KSEltar ( talk) 04:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
I admit to being woefully ignorant of Morrissey's career, but can I ask how David Bowie is an Associated Act? Apart from being a fan of his glam period and having the great Mick Ronson as a producer for an album, I fail to see the connection. However I must admit on seeing Bowie's name at the top, I neglected to read the article and just did a word search of the article for Bowie. Kempee ( talk) 01:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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Wouldn't the discussion of Morrissey's sexuality improve if we acknowledged that asexuality is a thing? Look at the Asexual page and look up biromantic demisexual and Morrissey's statement about being a "humasexual" fits it perfectly. 24.20.45.251 ( talk) 18:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)eriol11
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Morrissey has never been successfully pigeonholed. In his biography he criticises "alternative" as a moniker, and "indie" stopped being relevant when he signed to a big label. He's experimented with flamenco, harder rock, torch songs etc etc so why don't we do the right thing and put "Sui generis" as the first option for genre, and then put the others in brackets, if they must be there. Unfortunately, the entire reliability of the article is compromised at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.73.193 ( talk) 22:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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The current photograph is from 2005. We could do with having a more contemporary photograph. Luckily there are lots around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.53.129 ( talk) 19:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Some lines of the article stand out as being in conflict with WP:PEACOCK:
Autarch ( talk) 19:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The fan website true-to-you.net, which previously enjoyed a relationship with Morrissey, is now offline and clicking any link to it redirects to an error page. About a dozen true-to-you.net sources are used in this article (based on my browser's search function for the keyword "true-to-you"), some of which are already archived, but the majority of which are not. I can try to help, but I think it could be beneficial if other people looked into that as well. (This is also a problem on other Morrissey-related articles, such as some of his solo albums like Years of Refusal, but that's not the focus here.) Bizarre Bizarre Talk modern to me 15:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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See this. Evidently he called Hitler left-wing. Doug Weller talk 11:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
WP:Articles for deletion/Still Ill. -- Softlavender ( talk) 06:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Would they go under the political opinions section or would a new one need to be made? There's certainly been enough coverage (& criticism) of the comments in the press, these to name a few, and some others already cited in the article such as The Guardian source.
At the moment, the article does read a little whitewashed, as there's no mention of his past comments on black music as covered in The Guardian, Dallas Observer, The i etc. or the "rape capital of Europe" comments from the Der Spiegel interview, which have been covered in multiple accepted outlets. Also no mention of his support for Israel and criticism of BDS in the political opinions section or the denouncing of halal & kosher in 'Animal rights advocacy' (which should be changed at least to 'Animal welfare views & advocacy' since much of it is seen more controversial than anything else, & is hardly good press for genuine animal rights advocates). Donkey Hot-day ( talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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Stretford is not in the county of Lancashire it is in the county of Greater Manchester: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretford —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremello22 ( talk • contribs)
Why is Morrisseymusic.com listed as morrissey's official website? Didn't Morrissey say, "Thirdly, I have no connection at all with the site called Morrisseymusic.com. It is controlled by Sanctuary and I am neither consulted nor involved."-- 199.176.241.60 13:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
It's controlled by Sanctuary but that was considered his official site. http://www.true-to-you.net/ is the site Morrissey uses communicate with fans, that's more like his offical site. Englishrose 14:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Should it be changed, thus?-- 24.15.165.14 23:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Morrissey actually entered into any romantic relationships of any merit? There have been some speculations, both of a hetro and homosexual nature, but I was just wondering if there is any evidence to back up any of these claims?
No evidence exists either way. Morrissey is tight-lipped on the subject of his private life, and rightly so, I might add -- what he does is no one's business (this idea goes without saying), and whatever he did say would unquestionably be twisted, dissected, and ultimately corrupted by the media, and, I daresay, interpreted in various opposing ways by much of his longtime, über-devoted fanbase. Weavermoz 02:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Morrissey had a close companion called Jake Walters circa 1993-5. It was widely rumoured the pair were romantically involved, but once again never confirmed or denied (Jake's hands appear on the back of the Vauxhall and I album). Whether true or not, this is the closest to a "public relationship" Morrissey has ever had.
Morrissey was romantically linked to a certain Lee Farrant during the mid 1980s, and they were often seen arm in arm frequenting various south London boutiques.
Actually, Jake Walters (who was also Morrissey's personal assistant circa 1994-1995) has denied that he was romantically involved with Morrissey. He was quoted in the infamous Dave Simpson 1998 Uncut article, and he claimed that Morrissey and he were friends and shared a flat for some time (until 1995), and that, even though they weren't that close anymore, they still heard from each other from time to time. (BTW, he also called Morrissey 'the most interesting and fascinating character I've ever met.) ( http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1998/uncut.htm) It's true that Morrissey didn't confirm or deny it, but then, he was never asked about it in an interview, to the best of my knowledge.
To make things clear: Morrissey has admitted to having been in love, having had relationships, or having had sexual encounters - he just never named anyone. It's certain that in his pre-Smiths days (as a teenager/early 20s) he had some failed relationships and sexual encounters that he described as mostly bad. He has said that he lost his virginity at the age of 12 or 13, and that a series of bad experiences made him decide to abstain from sex. In 1992 interview he mentioned matter-of-factly that he had slept with women and had a 'physical encounter' with a man 10 years before. (source: http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1992/observer.htm) There's also Johnny Marr's explanation (Record Mirror, 1984): "Morrissey doesn't participate in sex and hasn't done so in a while, he's had a lot of girlfriends in the past and quite a few men friends." Morrissey also once made an off-remark once about a 'girl I once had a relationship with'... (quoted in the book "Morrissey In Quotes")
Finally, in a 1997 interview in The Guardian (source: http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1997/affair.htm) he said that he had had a relationship with someone during the previous two years (that would mean around 1995-97), which had ended 'recently' (as the article said). He didn't say anything about who the person was. He has also said several times in recent years that he hasn't been celibate for years. Now, how many other 'relationships of merit' he has had, and who with - I don't know.
And yes, there are tons of rumours about men or women who were supposedly involved with Morrissey at some point. Some of these rumours have absolutely no foundation (e.g. the rumour about him and Michael Stipe, which Morrissey has strongly denied, only started because people misread an interview of his to mean that the song 'Found, Found, Found' was about Stipe, which he actually never said), in other cases there might be some truth to it, but there is no definite proof. The only exception, as far as I know, is a a remark in a letter to one of his pen-pals (1980-1981): "Will you send me some pornography? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you like girls? I have a girlfriend called Annalisa. We're both bisexual. Real hip, uh? I hate sex." source: http://www.torr.org/moz/letters.htm He was very probably referring to a certain Annalisa Jablonska, who contributed the vocals to 'Pretty Girls Make Graves' and 'Suffer Little Children' (described by Marr as 'Morrissey's friend Anna'). Also, in his book "Morrissey and Marr: The Severed Alliance", Johnny Rogan mentions a black girl called Marcia that Morrissey "had a brief fling with" when he was 18, but I don't know if he has any proof that she was actually his girlfriend rather than just a friend.
There was also speculation about his relationship with (his life-long friend, artist and former Ludus singer) Linder Sterling, particularly about the time in early 80s when he supposedly shared the flat in Whalley Range with her and Ludus guitarist Ian Devine, or at least was a very regular visitor to the place (there are conflicting rumours on the matter). Nick Kent first made the assumption about Morrissey's and Linder's alleged previous relationship and speculated about the Smiths songs that might have been written about her, in his detailed 1985 article on The Smiths' past in The Face http://foreverill.com/interviews/1985/dreamer.htm (which angered Morrissey very much and resulted in Kent being banned from The Smiths camp). It is also discussed in a few entries in Simon Goddard's book "Songs That Saved Your Life". It's never been confirmed or denied; Morrissey has never been publicly asked about it, as far as I know; Linder has, in a recent interview (September 2006): "You've worked a lot with Morrissey, there's rumours you've been lovers..." - her only comment on this remark was "There's lots of gossip." http://www.gogoparis.com/gogogo/?q=taxonomy/term/348
Other people who have been rumoured to have been involved with Morrissey include his recent (male) manager, his (female) personal assistant around 2004, a male fan around the same time, an unnamed girlfriend circa 2002/2003 (could be the same one as the female PA, or not), his former press guy, a female fan called Wendy he used to be friends with...and so on. You get the idea. Basically, anyone who ever was seen in public with him or is known to have spent any significant time in his company is a suspect. :D I have absolutely no idea if any of those rumours were somehow founded, or if they were complete rubbish.
I hope this has answered your question in a satisfactory way... I can't help you any more than this. His life is largely still a mystery. I'm sorry if this post is too gossipy, I'm not usually like that. ;) I like the fact that he prefers to keep his private life private. I hate it when celebrities talk about their love affairs in gossip magazines etc. Nightandday 12:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
When we talk about Morrissey having publicly declared his celibacy, what exactly do we mean? That is, are we talking about sex or marriage?
A full transcript of the interview where Johnny Marr claims that Morrissey had a bisexual past but at the time of the interview was asexual can be read online here: http://www.cemetrygates.com/vault/smiths/record.html -- 216.162.194.156 06:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The article for "The Smiths" reads '(...)rock group(...)' while this one reads '(...)pop band(...)'. I think it's advisable to mantain the same major music genre between these related articles... after all it's the very same encyclopedia.
Is there such a thing as an ethical vegetarian. Ifr so ios he one. SDources only please. I dispute strongly that his latest views have divided the country. That would imply a huge num ber of Brits supported his stance which is clearly false. Please don't insert POPV as fact. The reality is almost everyone thinks he is an extremist whose dangerous POV verges on the criminal, if it isn'tt criminal. Classical example of an uppity pop star who knows how to sing and uses that talent to try and promote political extremism, SqueakBox 16:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Also the justification of his use of the Union flag based on things that happened years later comes across as trying to disprove the fascist roots of Morrissey, and has been removed as such, SqueakBox 16:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't like his politics but I used to love The Smiths. But he seems from his actions and words to have become right-wing in the nasty, intolerant motivated by hate sense of the word, and I think about as much of violent animal extremists as I do of Islamic terrorists, ie they make the governemnt batten the hatch down, justifying all sorts of reactionary measures that take away from everyone's freedom because of the actions of a tiny, extremist minority, all very pseudo-radical and unhelpful towards the greater goal of a better, freer world for both humans and animals. I do feel there was some POV pushing in the article as it was, and indeed I haven't actually gone through the whole lot in the editing sense. Your further edits to my edits look great. Anyway I cam to the article reading this article on him, SqueakBox 18:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Somebody wrote "Morrissey is currenly a vegan" but did not provide any source for that claim. Morrissey never said anything about being vegan, he never campaigned against the use of dairy or eggs for food, and in his recent interview on the Russell Brand show he said he doesn't consider himself a vegetarian, "I just don't eat meat". Therefore I've removed that piece of information which seems obviously wrong. 212.200.209.73
Was there anything that prompted the accusation of racism more than performing in the Union Flag? This objectively looks nationalistic, not racist! David.Monniaux 12:04, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm no expert but some read into Morrissey's lyrics that he was racist - "hang the DJ" in "Panic. Apparantly at the time most DJ's were black. A bit tenious i know but some apparantly really do believe it. His comments such as "black people and white people will never really get on or like each other" didnt help either. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can shed a bit of light on it.-- 195.188.152.14 01:12, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Initial racism accusations definitely date from the time of "Panic"'s release - they were based, as I recall, on the lyrics to "Panic" which go "Burn down the disco/Hang the blessed DJ/Because the music that they constantly play/It says nothing to me about my life" (an interpretation that implicitly assumes "disco" - the building and the musical form - must always correspond to "non-white music", which is an interpretation that appears to be at best arguable, at worst hopelessly simplistic - as indicated, for example, by Johnny Marr at the time, who pointed out in NME that New Order had no black members, and yet created great disco music); but the accusations were also based on a contemporaneous Morrissey quote that stated "all reggae is vile". I seem to recall (from memory only) that it was the NME of the 1985/86 period that primarily saw this professed musical taste (or lack thereof) as inherently racist. Dave12345 22:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The writer appologizes for Moz' racism stating that Moz had a black friend. I do not believe that one makes up for the other: racism is racism, it is an absolute flaw of a person be it antipathy for one group or several groups of people. Diegueno 15:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Somebody needs to cite a lot of the quotes concerning this issue, such as the "thrilled that many of his new fans were skinheads," because I can't find a citation of that anywhere.
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Actually Morrissey if not racist he was certainly a xenophobe in the late 80s and early 90s. A proof of that is the song "Bengali in Platform" The lyrics go like this:
"No no no
he does not want to depress you
oh no no no no no
he only wants to impress you
Bengali in platform
he only wants to embrace your culture
and to be your friend forever
Bengali, Bengali
oh shelve your Western plans
and understand that life is hard enough when you belong here"
Also, consider "The National Front Disco" and "We'll Let You Know". Check this link -
http://motorcycleaupairboy.com/interviews/1992/caucasian.htm it is an examination of his thoughts of race and nationality. I'm a fan of his and I believe earlier in his career he certainly had racists attitudes which has since disappeared. He signed the anti-fascist UAF statement and he rejected a request from Nancy Sinatra to issue a single with a cover version of "Bengali in Platforms". (This can be found on various articles around Wikipedia related to Morrissey) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
89.252.226.134 (
talk) 17:38, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
I removed the speculative and unfounded nonsense that he was a big supporter of various ant-racist organizations, because there is zero evidence that he was/is. Also since when was the Labour Party a "anti-racist movement"??. Also to the contrary "Mozza" has been more of a supporter of the racist British National Party than any other U.K. political party. Stop trying to sugar coat the guy FFS.
"Where is the evidence that Moz supported the BNP? In iterviews he has stated his opposition to censorship and that includes the BNP. Morrissey has always supported left-leaning, liberal causes e.g John Kerry for president, and been anti-right leaning, establishment figures, e.g Margaret Thatcher and the Queen." Ask me 22:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Many people support liberal causes and are still racist.
Ok ok ok...From what i have gathered on this discussion board...there are some people who dislike morrissey the person and want to paint him in a negative light. They claim other people are suger coating morrissey which isn't true. the Racism allegations are false and have been explained by many why they are false. Morrissey himself said he is not a racist. The problem is he speaks his mind and isn't neccessary PC and careful to make sure journalists can't twist his words against him. For example, didn't he once state that there is a problem with immigration when you allow people to freely come in a country. Many people took this as racism. He then had to go back and point out that he simply meant that the resources are not there and both local communities and the immigrants themselves are screwed. Which is true. It makes sense and there is no racism. For those who do not like Morrissey and his politics, stop trying to paint him a a negative light on his wikipedia page. It's a difference of beliefs. His recent animal militia comments were also overblown. Yes morrissey supports them. but his value on animal lives is not understood by those who do not value animal lives. He sees the life of animals as equal to humans. Thus the humans are already murdering the animals. One being killing another being--both equal to each other. Get over it. It's for sure not right-wing. It's not radical in his eyes as well as too many. Both are violent acts as Morrissey stated. His point was to point out that both are violent acts. THAT's THE POINT!!! Should I repeat myself.
"I have no interest in claiming Morrissey as a Labourite, but The Smiths were part of Red Wedge in the 80's, which was very closely linked to Labour."
Yes but the point was made in the article that he can't be racist because he is a Labour supporter. That's what doesnt make sense. Again what has Labour got to do with fighting racism? One could say the same about the Tories or Lib Dem if that were the case.
"They also played at least one 'Rock vs Racism' benefit gig."
Couldnt find a single story on them playing any RAR gig.
I have removed the false, and indeed libellous allegations that Morrissey supported the NF/BNP at any point, and I am reinstating the fact of Morrissey's support for the Labour Party (an explicitly anti-racist organisation, please check its constitution, history etc), Anti-Apartheid, Amnesty International, Unite Against Fascism et al. Sources and references will follow.
For starters, here is proof of Morrissey's 2004 statement of support for Unite Against Fascism, a militantly anti-NF/BNP camapign.
http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=4
And here's his support of the explicitly anti-racist Amnesty International
http://www.nndb.com/org/761/000051608/
And while they may not have played an actual RAR gig they did play an anti=apartheid benefit as mentioned here
http://www.visi.com/fall/gigography/gig86.html
here
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/12/21/do_as_i_say.php
and here
http://foreverill.com/interviews/1987/thorn.htm
Find someone else to smear Mr BNP supporter/Morrissey hater/both. FFS.
-JG 23.41 29.3.06
I've added lyrics from "Irish Blood English Heart" which I think are more pertinent to this topic than those already posted from "You Are The Quarry".
The item that begins "In retaliation to the above-mentioned statement, a contradictory statement, purportedly made by Morrissey..." and continues to quote at length a statement from Morrissey taken off www.true-to-you.net is likely out of the bounds of "fair use" and likely copyright infringement. Even if it is not, I have no idea why such a long and barely newsworthy statement is on what's supposed to be an encyclopedia page.-- MrFluff 05:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the item on the Curse of Morrissey. Feel free to re-add if this can be proven to be a common term (hardly registers on google outside of this Wiki-page).
Should the quote from Moz about voting against GWB be removed? It's already on WikiQuote, and this page is getting out of control.-- MrFluff 05:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The last couple of sentences in the 'Sexuality' section didn't read well. I've changed the punctuation a bit.
This is a name people use to refer to Steven Patrick Morrissey. He is more commonly known as Morrissey. He was the lead singer in The Smiths, and later went on to a solo career. why??????
Thank you very much for sharing these pearls of wisdom with us all, thank God we can sleep easy tonight.
It isn't just an alias, it's a symbol for those who will carry the sometimes painful wheight of the unshared pashion for his work, life and everlasting beauty. MOZZ4Ever
Can anybody elaborate about the 'lifelong' feud between Morrissey and The Cure's Robert Smith?
I don't think Morrissey was at the concert. He may have said he was there, jokingly, as it a known that more people claim to have been there than was actually present. - Kvaks 20:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Why do you think Morrissey was not present...? Certainly the documented evidence is out there (search on http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=morrissey+%22free+trade+hall%22+pistols&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N for numerous references).
Update: The young Morrissey wrote the following letter to the NME, after attending the gig:
18 June 1976 - NME (UK) Review by Steven Morrissey of a Sex Pistols concert: "I pen this epistle after witnessing the infamous Sex Pistols in concert at the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall. The bumptious Pistols in jumble sale attire had those few that attended dancing in the aisles despite their discordant music and barely audible lyrics. The Pistols boast having no inspiration from the New York / Manhattan rock scene, yet their set includes, "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone", a number believed to be done almost to perfection by the Heartbreakers on any sleazy New York night and the Pistols' vocalist / exhibitionist Johnny Rotten's attitude and self-asserted 'love us or leave us' approach can be compared to both Iggy Pop and David JoHansen in their heyday. The Sex Pistols are very New York and it's nice to see that the British have produced a band capable of producing atmosphere created by The New York Dolls and their many imitators, even though it may be too late. I'd love to see the Pistols make it. Maybe they will be able to afford some clothes which don't look as though they've been slept in."
source: http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/moz-mb.htm
In addition, he also wrote a letter to Melody Maker: "I think that their audacious lyrics and discordant music will not hold their heads above water when their followers tire of torn jumpers and safety pins." source: Johnny Rogan, "Morrissey and Marr: The Severed Alliance", 1993, p. 82 Nightandday 17:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
including those touched by his music. Ask me
Strange section this, and not entirely accurate. Morrissey certainly has had brushes with the law (police raiding his house following the Margaret on the Guillotine lyrics), dealing with alcohol and drug abuse (albeit band members habits rather than his own) for example.
I agree, the entire section is highly debatable and confusing. There are plenty of examples of reclusive rock stars and Morrissey's ongoing feuds with the media, other musicians, etc is very rock star-ish. Also, unflamboyant is not a word. Morrissey is often characterized as flamboyant anyway (google: "Morrissey flamboyant" and see for yourself). Basically, this whole section is bogus and should be removed.-- MrFluff 04:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
An anon ip recently changed "He is 6' (1.83 m) tall." to "His height is between 5'6" and 6'.", and changed "The song Let Me Kiss You from Morrissey's latest album You Are the Quarry is dedicated to her." to "The song Let Me Kiss You was recorded by Nancy with Morrissey and Alain Whyte singing background vocals.". Does anyone know if these changes are valid? Arniep 00:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
"The song Let Me Kiss You was recorded by Nancy with Morrissey and Alain Whyte singing background vocals.". That certainly is true, Nancy release the same song on the same day Morrissey did. Englishrose 14:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Michael Stipe article doesn't contain the word admire, neither does the Doherty article. Indeed none of the 7 links contain the word admire so we stil need a source that for each one of these people admiring him, SqueakBox 14:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Colin Meloy recorded a tribute album of Morrissey covers.
Jesse Lacey-
He is the lead singer of Brand New. In their song, "Mixed Tape" they sings, "I'm sick of your tattoos and the way you always criticize the Smiths and Morrisey."
To the feud's section I added a bit about the comments made about Morrissey by Manic Street Preachers' Nicky Wire and Richey James Edwards. -Did you source it? To tell the truth, me and my sis always argue who is etter, Richey or Moz. I always win ;). But seriously, I didn't know they actually fought.-- ¢² Connor K. 18:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me if this has already been mentioned, but an in-depth exploration of Morrissey's Latino -- particularly Mexican -- fanbase is urgently necessary. The Latino/Morrissey phenomenon warrants a documentary (Is It Really So Strange?) but not a mention on Wikipedia? What would Esteban say?
I have removed the following sentence: "A few months later Richard Edwards disappeared. Many people have speculated that he commited suicide but no body has ever been found and officially he is recorded as being a missing person."
It's quite off topic, in this context it actually seems to suggest that Moz is responsible of Edwards' disappearance. cheers, ArchStanton
Why in the world is everyone doing this? This is a biography of Morrissey - so why is everyone removing parts that have to do with The Smiths? The entire Smiths biography shouldn't be in here, mind you, but his time with them should be summarised in a bit more detail, and things about him in other sections that happened while he was with the Smiths shouldn't be removed.
Also, there is an urgant need to expand the section about his solo career, which is dreadfully short. There is much much more to be said there.
When you are born in a hospital in Davyhulme, partly raised in Hulme and Stretfort are you than a singer and songwriter from Stretford from Hulme or what ??? Is'nt he a singer songwriter from Manchester ???
The debate about Manchester v Trafford is one for the football fans; it shouldn't deflect people from serious research about Morrissey. For the serious students here are the facts: Harper Street and Queens Square were not in Hulme but Old Trafford, bordering Hulme. Morrisey actually refers to this on a link you can find on YouTube. I lived in that area and remember those places, being the same age as Morrissey. People around there think of themselves as being from Manchester; Trafford is a 1970s invention! I can understand Smiths fans not wanting his name associated with famous sporting venues but the idea that he was from Hulme is part of the legend rather than the truth. Anybody obsessive enough to want to check this out (like me!)should get the librarians at the Local History section of Manchester's Central library to dig out the old maps for you. That's what I did as I was sure I remembered those streets - Harper Street at least as I was, like Morrissey, only a nipper when Queens Square was demolished - being in Old Trafford rather than Hulme. Hulme has more hip credibility because it is within the boundaries of the city of Manchester, thereby accrditing Morrissey's Mancunianism; also it is associated, through the old crescents, with the rise of rave culture during the 1980s. Then again this is what we want icons to represent: a romantic idea rather than the dull reality. Morrissey was a myth-maker like Bob Dylan and this has become part of the myth. Or is this inaccuracy more the fault of writers like Johnny Rogan and Dave Haslam who have erroneously stated that he grew up in Hulme?
Mozzer99 18:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
does anyone know the name of the film were the smiths are mentioned...
the film is about guys from some american university were they try to kill there roommate because they know that they will get an automatic high score in their final grade, because thats what you get when your room mate "dies". Thye put some articles in his room including a smiths album because they think it will make him come across as a depressed teen who commited suicide...name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.92.232 ( talk) 15:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
There's a lot of rubbish in there. It could do with being removed. Some of of the little facts are okay and could be incorporated into the main part of the article, while other bits would be most welcome in the bin. SaltyWater 19:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Can anybody verify that all these people have publicly admired him? Arniep 03:47, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Laura Bowen, J. K. Rowling, Bono, David Bowie, Kurt Cobain, Chino Moreno, Daryl Palumbo, Michael Stipe, Jeff Buckley, Noel Gallagher, David Byrne, Joel Madden, Martin L. Gore, Pete Doherty, Harry Hill, Craig Kilborn, Thom Yorke, Chris Martin, Jonathan Ross, Douglas Coupland, Liam Gallagher,Michael Ian Black Jesse Lacey, Ryan Adams, Peter Gabriel, Ricky Gervais, JT LeRoy, Pete Doherty, Jack Black, Davey Havok, Matt Skiba, Brandon Flowers, David Cameron, Colin Meloy, Peter Wentz and Kathy Burke have all publicly stated that they admire Morrissey's work.
Bono, Kathy Burke, J. K. Rowling, Noel Gallagher, Liam Gallagher, Harry Hill all priased Morrissey on the Morrissey documentry, "The Importance of Being Morrissey". of the Documentry
Michael Stipe [2] called Morrissey an "inpiration", and appeared in a photo in "Rolling Stone" in the early 90's with his arm draped around Morrissey and holding his hand (there was a rumour that the two were romantically linked - this was before Stipe came out of the closet).
Jonathan Ross said that Morrissey was one of his idols and also made a big fuss about him appearing on his talk show.
Pete Doherty- Morrissey was his hero and when Morrissey criticised him Doherty got very upset. [3]
David Cameron [4]
Brandon Flowers [www.arjanwrites.com/arjanwrites/ 2005/02/the_killers_mys.html] [5] [6].
Kurt Cobain- Mentioned in his biography.
Thom Yorke- Stopped eating meat because of Morrissey. [7]
These are just a few, nearly all of these are common knowledge. I've just picked out the ones that I personally know. Englishrose 09:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
They have certainly not all said they admire him. Cameron, for instance, says he finds the music strangely uplifting. Everyone in that list must be sourced as saying that they greatly admiring Morrisey or the list cannot remain as it is as what it is is a falsification of the truth apparently planted by Morrisey fans which confuses our readers. As for the claim that this is common knowledge, doesn't look like it as 2 people are challenging this alleged common knowledge that is in fact a fantasy in somebody's head. Thisa is a serious encyclopedia and must be treatred as such, where necessary that means sourcing every word, which in this case has clealry not been done, SqueakBox 14:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
"the mainstream majority is unaware of his existence", where did you get such a silly idea from?
Other references:
some others:
I've never seen it mentioned that 'Morrissey used to live in an apartment owned by Garbo' outside of wikipedia. I think this needs to be deleted unless anyone cares to provide evidence.
In fact, he used to live in a house formerly owned by Clark Gable, not Greta Garbo. Nightandday 17:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
A request for a peer review of the Sparks article has been made here Wikipedia:Peer review/Sparks (band)/archive2. Since Morrissey is such a fan maybe you would have a look and help it along KaptKos 19:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Is it me or is there a disproportionate amount of text devoted to Quarry and specifically Tormentors? In the grand scheme of things (i.e. in two weeks when the press stop caring) ROTT is in no way more important, and probably a lot LESS important that Viva Hate. Encyclopaedically speaking. Karlusss 20:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Morrissey is a great guy and told it like it was back in the 80s, when our Brave Men died.
He should be forgiven and allowed to move on, and not held hostage in this Bush-created world terrorist scam. Brandubh Blathmac 00:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC) This can be seen in the infamous documentary The Impotence of Being Morrissey.
Perhaps the Tori Amos feud should be moved from the trivia section to the 'feuds within the music industry' section.
Is the trivia section absolutely necessary? It's a horrible mess and makes the article seem a bit amateur-ish. maxcap 18:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC) On second thought, does anyone think it might be a good idea to split this article into one detailing the band, and another on Morrisey as a personality, and his politics etc? maxcap 22:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I feel that the section showing who are "ans" of "influenced" by Morrissey is quite good as it shows his reach accross the Racial/ Atlantic/ Class/ Genre divides respectivly. It shows how much of a pop culture figure Moz has become and I feel it should be reinstated. (maybe as a link from his main page?) Blu sonic 02:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I've cut the trivia out. Before replacing anything, it needs to be properly cited and evaluated for being actually about Morrisey, instead of belonging to an article about a song, an article about a book, about The Smiths, etc. Jkelly 01:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
There's a ton of references to external sites, some of which could be dead; please verify links and change to proper references rather than direct external links. There are quotes, specifically in the feuds section that aren't cited and need to be.
Also, the bibliography needs to be addressed... BY and ABOUT are two different things entirely; they should be split. Listing of the books properly with ISBN, etc would be nice as well. Xinit 00:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
"Detractors usually describe his work as depressing,"
I find my favorite artists "depressing". Can someone find a better reason as to why some people would look at his work negatively? -- A Sunshade Lust 23:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
This morning's edit by Bearcat removed nothing, and improved the prose. Please read carefully before assuming that major alterations are for the worse. -- ajn ( talk) 19:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Morrissey appeared as himself under the moniker "The Consumer Monkey" on comedy show "Vic Reeves' Big Night Out". This is just not true. Morrissey was being referred to by Vic and Bob but never appeared as himself. The monkey was a childs toy, not easily confused with a man in his late 20s.
is he really from mos side. i cant picture him being from there.
Isn't his first name spelled Stephen, not Steven? Outofstep77 00:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Especially those from Southpaw Grammar onwards? I'm not using this as a forum; instead I'm wondering if such an opinion can be attributed to a music critic?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 00:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
If Morrisey really have trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in his youth it probably wasn't under Renzo Gracie, because he was born in 67. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renzo_Gracie
Now i've never heard of him training Jiu Jitsu before, so could anyone please confirm this fact too? A googlesearch didnt return anything on this fact..
213.114.70.177 06:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)`
I can't find it in here. Don't suppose someone could tell me which paragraph it is please?
Presently the article cites "This Charming Man", "Handsome Devil", "Swallow On My Neck", "Hand in Glove", "Roy's Keen" and "Dear God Please Help Me" as songs with homosexual themes. In addition, "Shoplifters of the World Unite," "Pretty Girls Make Graves," and even "Alma Matters" have been interpretted with homosexual themes or indications while not being directly about homosexual longing. "Alma Matters"'s lyrics are pretty broad, but Morrissey has commented that it was about being in touch with one's sexuality (for example, your female side if you're a male). "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28. "Pretty Girls Make Graves" is moreso about not being attracted to females, rather than about being homosexual ("I'm not the man you think I am"). I'm sure there are more songs that could be brought up, but at the moment none come to mind.
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Um, "homosexual themes"? Let m e see... "Hand In Glove"? I've heard that oen mentioned many times - could anyone please explain where is homosexuality mentioned in the lyrics?
"Pretty Girls Make Graves" is not about homosexuality, it's about male sexual inadequacy - if there is any reason stated, it's in "sorrow's native son, he will not smile for anyone"/"rise for anyone" - if I was to make a guess, I would say that this most probably refers to depression. The problem further identified: 'I could have been wild and I could have been free, but nature played this trick on me'... Why would homosexuality stop a man from being wild and free?!
"Alma Matters" - ? Are you referring to the famous line 'in part and in hole' (spelled like that in the lyric sheet)? I see how that might be seen as referring to bisexuality, but don't see how that can be interpreted as 'homosexual', especially considering the most common slang meaning of the word 'hole'??
"Roy's Keen" - meh. I won't even comment on that one.
"Swallow On My Neck" - debatable. 'I don't know why I held out so long for me and you... until he drew a swallow on my neck...' I've seen people go on and on about the 'swallow' thing - yes, it might be an actual (fake) tatoo (he did have a taoo of swallow on his hands) or a lovebite, or both. So he might be referring to a guy giving him a lovebite ('and more') - so what? It's not exactly a secret that Morrissey has had sexual experiences with both men and women, he's admitted that much, he's also said that he'd be with a person he loved and who loved him, no matter if they were male or female. So what is the big deal? (Surprisingly, nobody ever tried to really analyse this song - everybody seems to be speculating who 'he' is, while I would be even more interested to know who is 'you' that he is addressing in the song.)
"Dear God Please Help Me" - well, here's what Morrissey has said about it, when asked: "I don't think homosexuality is mentioned anywhere in the song." (NME intervew) He goes on to comment on the line 'he puts his hand on my knee' saying that 'it's matter of having an interest from someone who is a 'he', which is something you can't help and can't orhestrate...' Make of that what you will. From what I can hear, it's all very ambiguous, as always. there's a line 'he puts his hand on my knee'... and then there's an explicit reference to sex at the end, which may be with the same person or another - because he switches to 'you'... and the line 'Now I'm spreading your legs with mine in between'... hm, well, I would hardly say that it sounds homosexual in itself, would you? I don't know about you, but if I heard someone say that, I wouldn't think: 'oh, oh, this must be about homosexual sex!'
"This Charming Man" describes what can be called a homoerotic situation that the narrator finds himself in - but I never thought that the narrator ('jumped-up pantry boy' is homosexual; I wouldn't be so sure that he even feels any desire, love or real attraction to the man himself - but this is all a matter for discussion, and the song is far too complicated and invites many possible interpretations. (I would point out the references to poverty, insecurity, enjoying someone's attention etc... not to mention the interesting connection to the movie 'Sleuth'.)
" "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28." So what? Morrissey's views on the subject of alternative sexualities and sexual freedom are well-known (I presume). I don't see how being critical of a conservative amenedment which resticts human rights of people who are homosexual, bisexual, basically in any way sexually different, equates 'oh, the writer of this song must be gay!'
But... "Handsome Devil"?? This one I always found very funny. is it because of the deliberately ambiguous title? Do people assume that 'handsome' must refer to a man? Aren't you aware that it's also used for women (especially those whose beauty is statuesque and striking rather than sweet and tender), and that in 19th century English literature it was quite common to call a good-looking women 'a handsome woman' (example: Jane Austen's novels) - which is something Morrissey must have been aware of? (And moreover, he said once that he knew many women who can be described as handsome' and men who can be decribed as 'pretty'.) Funny how people always go 'oh, this is a gay song!' without thinking much, while in fact... it's far from that. OK, so there's the line 'who will swallow whom'... but with lyrics such as 'let me get my hands on your mammary glands' and 'a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand'? ;) "Homoerotic desire', indeed! LOL That's as 'heteroerotic' as it gets. Do I have to spell it out? You do know what 'mammary glands' are? And that the word bush, besides its literal meaning, also refers to a certain part of female anatomy. :) hint: some other words related to the same organ are 'hole', 'pussy'.
BTW 'flap' can also refer to a part of that organ - still, interestingly, none of the hunters of sexual double entendres in Morrissey's lyrics has ever suggested that "Alsatian Cousin" is heteroerotic, despite the line 'with your tent-flap open wide'. ;) I'm not saying he must have meant anything other than the actual tent-flap, but isn't it interesting that people are always ready to discover any possible 'homoerotic' meanings, but are always blind to the 'heteroerotic' ones (even when they're bloody obvious, as in the quoted lines of Handsome Devil)? I don't see people going on about "Wonderful Woman", "Half A Person", "Disappointed", or any song that explicitly defines the object of affection as female, a 'she' ("I Won't Share You" is one of them ('the note I wrote as she read, she said: Has the Perrier goen ot my head, or is life sick and cruel instead'), yet people seem determined to overlook it and keep insisting it's about... Johnny Marr?! I suppose we should also assume that a song that mentions a 'he' is about a woman?!) Where are the articles listing the shockingly 'heteroetoric' imagery in Morrissey's lyrics and artwork (Alexandra Bastedo on "Rank"?! Diana Dors on "Singles"?!), analysing the possible sordid sexual meanings of Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others, or calling The Public Image a 'coming out' song??? ;)
Yep... that's what I call a DOUBLE STANDARD.
But, if you imagine just for a moment that homosexuality were the norm and heterosexuality was 'alternative sexuality', you'd be doing exactly the above and going on about how 'obviously straight' Morrissey must be...and why doesn't he finally admit it? How long is he going to be in denial/tortured about his heterosexuality? ;)
Come on people...we supposedly live in a liberal society where homosexuality is considered no better or worse than heterosexuality...right? RIIIIIGHT??? :p
Nightandday 10:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
The term Bona Drag is old gay slang for "nice outfite" 121.210.29.153 14:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
While I'm not sure that such a large portion of the article needs to be devoted to discussing his sexuality, part of his appeal is probably in some way related to his sexual ambiguity, and that deserves some mention. maxcap 15:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that even back in the day when Moz was proclaiming his celibacy, his lyrics never suggested a person who experienced no sexual feelings whatsoever, or one who was happy being celibate — they generally depict a person who has a strong sexual desire, but for a variety of reasons (shyness, difficulty connecting with people sexually and romantically, not being found attractive by potential sex partners, etc.) feels stymied and knocked down and unable to act on that desire, and who experiences profound loneliness because of these barriers. Which is, needless to say, a very different thing than being asexual or celibate-by-choice. FWIW, anyway. Bearcat 19:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"It's not that people are interested in his (implied) homosexuality because it's seen as being odd, people are interested precisely because he's spent his entire career strongly implying it without being explicit, and that's what has caused the speculation and discussion. --ajn (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC) "
Well, I interpret some of his lyrics as implying it. "Keats and Yeats are on your side / While Wilde is on mine," for example. But, of course, that's just my interpretation. It's OR that I wouldn't want put in the article. Regarding recent edits to this section, respectfully, I don't think we can speak for Morrissey. We can certainly quote him if we have a reliable source, but we shouldn't presume to speak for him. Also, we should be wary of putting unsourced rumors about living people into a Wikipedia article. -- GentlemanGhost 00:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph in the sexuality section is so beautifully written its almost unencyclopedic Leopold Stotch 07:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
That flash video of "Morrissey Dance" is not informative, and does not belong on Wikipedia. Please check the policies on links before adding one. Thanks. -- ¢² Connor K. 17:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The article is far too opinionated for an encyclopedia. The author claims Britain was obsessed with draping pop stars in the Union Flag and Morrissey came to the rescue to take the flag back? This is merely someones interpretation and has no factual basis. The racism accusations are also trivialised and the author even offers an explanation in case we think badly of Morrissey!.
"One song cited by the NME as proof of Morrissey's racism was "Asian Rut" from 1991, which vividly describes the murder of an Asian man by white racists. However, with lines such as "it must be wrong/three against one?" Morrissey appears to be quite obviously sympathising with the victim in the song, not the perpetrators.:"
Yes quite obviously.
This needs a re-write by someone impartial.
So... you're trying to say that it's likely that 'it must be wrong/three against one" he it could be interpreted as if he was sympathizing with those who killed the Asian boy?! 212.200.209.73
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There is zero mention of Morrissey's nickname ...WTF? There is some sound company MOZ on wiki that has no disambiguation and can't until it's mentioned that Morrissey's nickname is 'Moz.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.149.9 ( talk) 14:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
This is not an encyclopedia entry -- it's a page written by some devoted fans who want to portry Morrissey in the best possible light. This is inappropriate, and I think the page needs a significant rewrite; in particular, the "trivia" section should be mostly or completely removed. This is my opinion, but as Bill Hicks said, it happens to be true. R 07:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
'Morrissey has told that he enjoys watching boxing'
Quotes such as this from the trivia really do need to be removed, unless the comment can be contextualized into saying something about the man's character.
That said, I'm not sure I'd go quite as far as 'fan page'; what bits do you think are overly sycophantic? Robdurbar 09:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
I believe Morrissey's cultural status and influence merits a very detailed page; there is a reason Wikipedia is superior as a resource, and it is not because it is a dry, concise 'overview' of its subjects. 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
If You Are The Quarry is his most successful album, having sold "more than a million" copies (i.e. about a million plus), how can he have sold 80 million total?
I figured for sure it was a typo and changed it to 8 million, then someone just changed it back. There is absolutely no possible way Moz has sold 80 million worldwide, see the note by maximusveritus above.
I take it back. If you include every Smiths album, plus every Smiths single, plus Moz albums and singles and compilations and include worldwide sales for going on 25 years, 80 million is probably about right. A major label like Warners likes to see back catalog items sell at least a couple of hundred thousand per year, less than that and they disappear from the catalog. so at 100 k per year over the last 20 years, you could add another 2 million per album to the original 1.5 million certified albums, it's not inconceivable that The Smiths have sold anywhere from 10 to 20 million albums in the U.S. alone. Only the accountants at Warner know for sure.
Morrissey has DEFINITELY NOT sold 80 million albums worldwide. If you think otherwise, please produce a source. Please also do not confuse acclaim with sales; The Smiths may be one of the most influential English bands of the 80's, but they did not sell well outside the UK and Europe, at least not in a mainstream pop sense. If Morrissey had sold 80 million records, then no way would he have been without a record deal for 7 years. Even as of today, he is signed with the independent Sanctuary, whom are having major financial troubles and could be out of business this year. To put "80 million albums" in perspective, Nirvana IN TOTAL sold 50 million albums worldwide, just as an example. Morrissey definitely HAS NOT sold 80 million records.
I've run through the "Fan sites" to verify that they still exist, and the ones that contained obvious copyright violations (bootleg downloads, scanned photos from magazines, etc) have been removed. Anything that was a fan blog was removed on vanity grounds, and a couple of the better looking sites with a lot of information (and a nice layout) were kept as representative of the fan community. See WP:EL#What_should_be_linked_to...
"In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose." Xinit 00:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The Fan Sites that people are adding back are not useful for the context of this article. A site that features new photos that are copyright-infringing or a site that lists bootlegs for download, or a fanatic's blog about Morrissey, or a fan forum that has a small handful of posts; non of these add anything verifiable or useful to the article. I propose that They ALL be deleted, and will do so in 24 hours if there is no dispute.
Why are morrissey-solo, true-to-you and passionsjustlikemine out again without any reference here? I agree with Acegikmo and SaltyWater, these links are very useful. I would like to add them again, if there are no good reasons why they shouldn't be mentioned. -- Zommer 10:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Morrissey was born in the Park Hospital in Davyhulme (Trafford) on 22 May 1959. He lived in Harper Street, Hulme (Manchester) till 1965 when his family moved to Queens Square on the border of Hulme near Moss side. Finally moved to King's Road 384, Stretford (Trafford) in 1969.
Whoever wrote this has the order the wrong way round. Queen's Square was demolished first, in the early sixties, Harper Street wasn't demolished till the late sixties. I know that of which I speak as I grew up in the area and remember Harper Street well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.194.254 ( talk) 16:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Mozzer99 17:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
OK - Check out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onEFbTS002U In it Morrissey refers to the place he grew up in as both Old Trafford and Hulme. The person who deleted the previous entry about this doesn't want to have a proper discussion and would prefer legend to fact. The average Morrissey fan probably associates O/T with sport and almost wretches at the thought that 'the fey one' could have grown up in such an area. Why do you think he writes songs about the Munich Air Disaster? Go figure, fool! Also, ye pilgrimage makers, get an A-Z and and have a walk around O/T, not the sporting stadiums, the area itself - it actually includes a lot of the type of streets evoked by Morrissey in his lyrics and imagery. Hulme has nothing of the kind left but O/T and Moss Side do. So ner! Sucks to you! Ye re-writers of history!
Can anyone verify this?
A quick Google search for 'Morrissey' and 'vegan' brings up numerous articles where he is mentioned to be one, including articles from the
The Times and
The Indepedent. However, beside these few publications, I've never encountered any interview or article where he himself discusses veganism, going only as far as arguing solely against meat-eating. --
Ferix
17:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Not everything you read in magazines is true. It's common knowledge that Morrissey doesn't eat meat and he is firmly against it, but he never said anything about being a vegan, and he never campaigned against the use of dairy or eggs. "Vegi" most likely stands for 'vegetarian', not 'vegan'. And in hsi recent interview on the Russell Brand Show, Morrissey said he doesn't consider himself a vegetarian, "I just don't eat meat." 212.200.209.73
maybe you should read this article "it was reported in the April 2006 issue of SPIN Magazine that Morrissey now wears fake leather shoes".
He is not a vegan. He's remarked numerous times that he eats various dairy products. He also has mentioned eating eggs. He's a vegetarian, not a vegan. He doesn't "eat flesh". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackeyedsioux ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
so, the old "trivia" section has found its way back again. it's a mess, it's mostly relatively irrelevant. purge again? Barbara Osgood 22:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The List of socialists from Western Europe cites Morrissey as a Socialist. This could certainly be interpreted from many of his songs, foremost being, perhaps, Nobody Loves Us, for example, among others... but does anyone have any published evidence of this? And if so, would it be worthy for addition to this article?-- 24.15.165.14 05:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Every week someone changes the main photo, please stop doing that. Especially if you don't know how to do it properly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yamanbaia ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
Morrissey's peeps have been unhappy with the photo selections-- 198.172.207.86 07:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The new photo is hideous and should be changed immediately. People might mistake him for a ginger. Ninmat ( talk) 23:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Has Morrisey, since going solo, produced any vegetarian songs or Animal Rights ones like "Meat is Murder"? Robert C Prenic 16:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
the only one i can think of is Ouija board,Ouija board where he sings "Well, she has now gone From this Unhappy Planet with all the carnivores And the destructors.." Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages
in Every day is like sunday video the girl wears a "i dont eat my friends t-shirt" and the video for interesting drug has a lot to do with animal rights. in at last i am born he sings "vegetarians know i am born" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.255.123 ( talk) 15:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has twice added a Catholic category to this article. I don't believe we have evidence in the article that Morrissey is in any sense a Catholic; even if he was I think I would want reliable sources and some reason why such an inclusion would be encyclopedic. What do others think? -- John 19:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
He was brought up a Catholic, but I would agree that he would really need to be a practicing Catholic now to merit inclusion in the category. -- 88.111.54.115 11:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I find this odd; all biographies of Morrissey state that he was brought up in a working class Irish Catholic family in Manchester (or thereabouts, see Places section below). This isn't a matter of what his relationship to the Catholic church is now; as the man himself might say, its in the blood, and an unexceptional and ineradicable facet of biography. So why should any such suggestion be "aggressively removed"? Its clearly not a slur. And the notion that one has to be a practicing catholic to actually be one (and thus "merit inclusion in the category") is an odd position. Few of my catholic friends, nor myself, practice or even believe particularly; but indeed catholic is what we are. Zafio ( talk) 15:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
See for example the entry for James Joyce. Early in life, Joyce renounced the Catholic church, though it would be absurd to say he was not a Catholic writer. Zafio ( talk) 15:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Zafio, so neither you nor your friends practice or "believe particularly" in Catholicism, and yet you consider yourselves Catholic? I don't see how that works, and in my experience its almost always the exact opposite. Most people I know and meet are very reluctant to describe themselves as anything specifically religious unless they practice and believe wholeheartedly. Isn't one of the central criteria for inclusion in the Catholic faith the receiving of communion? Aren't you by definition not a Catholic if you do not partake in this ritual on a regular basis?
While it's beyond debate that Morrissey was raised in an Irish Catholic family, I would imagine that he has spent the majority of his life not practicing or observing any of the tenets of the Catholic faith, and I doubt he would describe himself as a Catholic if asked. "This isn't a matter of what his relationship to the Catholic church is now," you say. So nothing he says now or in the future can change his supposed Catholicism? Many people are born into one faith or another but go on to renounce and criticize that faith later in life. Are you saying these people are actually still members of their religion, even if they themselves vehemently distance themselves from it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.122.77.17 ( talk) 03:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Will I be flogged for offering to once-again change the photo to something a bit more flattering? I saw moz for the first time a few days ago and can state with considerable (male-)heterosexual objectivity this is a pretty handsome man and the pic doesn't do him justice.
Let the floggings commence ... CeilingCrash 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Another person who may be included as criticising Morrissey is Henry Rollins. In a recent special on Rage (Aus music show) a clip was played of Henry Rollins absolutely ripping into Morrissey. He says something along the lines of "Morrissey embodies every bad trait a person can have". I will need to check the actual quote, but its something to that affect. 211.30.151.144 05:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
According to a questionnaire, the first gig Morrissey attended was T.Rex at Belle Vue, Manchester in July 1972. However, other sources say T.Rex played there on June 16th, not July. Any other sources? Yes, I realise this is incredibly pedantic and 'in 1972' would probably do. SteveRamone 14:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/studio/4730/rockon.htm -- 82.69.202.14 15:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed an unsourced statement in the "Feuds within the music industry" section: "As of April 2006, it is understood that Morrissey has paid none of the outstanding royalties to Joyce." Looking for sources, it turns out the truth is more complex than that: according to this statement from Morrissey himself, some back royalties were paid in 1997, and the remainder are being retrieved through various means. I couldn't find anything contradicting this statement or questioning its accuracy, so I took the sentence out. Thomjakobsen 19:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a better source that can be cited for Morrissey's involvement with Amnesty International? NNDB is probably inadequate for Wikipedia's purposes. Mike R ( talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I heard a few songs, and it seems like he sounds much like Jim Morrison. Even the first six letters of the Lizard Man's name match right up.
In effect... could anybody see if there was some sort of inspiration from Morrison? Or The Doors in general? From the context and sound of his music (at least what I have heard), he seems to pull a lot of inspiration from that. I may be wrong, but it's something to think about... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.37.80.173 ( talk) 07:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Might have expected some talk page action following the recent NME article. Just thought it worth noting. Perhaps Wikipedia has managed a reasonable level of neutrality on a contoversial issue, for a change. -- 89.242.207.108 ( talk) 01:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, it hasn't really been resolved, has it? Still, worth at least mentioning. 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we please get a source for all these places in the lead, biography and infobox?
We have Davyhulme, Hulme, Manchester, Stretford and Urmston all (seemingly) competing for the claim to fame with Morrissey. Intrestingly, there is no mention of Salford! This does need addressing asap. Furthermore, I would like to urge users that at the time of Morrissey's birth in 1959, all of these places were in Lancashire rather than Greater Manchester, and only Hulme was/is in Manchester, the rest are seperate places. -- Jza84 · ( talk) 11:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
The reason there is debate about this is because Queen's Square, his first address, was literally on the border of Old Trafford and Hulme, right on the dotted line on the map.(Check Youtube for his recent appearance on The One Show if you need verification)He went to primary school in Hulme but his postcode was Old Trafford. Similarly, Harper Street, his next address, was in Old Trafford, slightly further in. Both places are now gone but for those who care you can look them up on local maps held in Central Library (should you be making a pilgrimage, which, own up, you probably will!). The only reason people in Manchester would care about any of this would be football-related, wanting to claim famous people for their tribe. Why anyone from outside Mancunia would give a monkey's is another question. Maybe the fact that he was born in such a transitional place confused even him! Plus, he grew up in England but his family was Irish. He chooses to not affiliate himself with any particular badge of identity or place, part of his appeal perhaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.194.254 ( talk) 16:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Worth mentioning in the Animal Rights section? Red Gown ( talk) 04:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
leather, stating in 1986 that "there is simply no sensible alternative" to leather shoes. He has also said "I find shoes difficult to be ethical about - one just can't seem to avoid leather. One is trapped, ultimately."[52] However, it was reported in the April 2006 issue of SPIN Magazine that Morrissey now wears fake leather shoes.
I have read the above mentioned SPIN article, and Morrissey never states what his shoes are made of, the writer merely infers this because he is aware of Moz's vegetarianism.
I think this needs removing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.30.169 ( talk) 13:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
After looking through the article it appears to have been heavily vandalized. Elsapo ( talk) 20:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC) 14 May 2008
Maybe there should be some information included as to the band that have played with Morrissey - i know there's some biographical detail, but it seems to me that some mention should/could be made of his band. When his albums/live shows are billed as 'Morrissey', then that in effect includes his band, I suppose, and maybe that should be factored in? just a thought, if not feel free to ignore me. Andyroo g ( talk) 12:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree, it's a good idea. Similar to Patti Smith's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesuisbryony ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I know that Morrisey can be linked to Sandie Shaw, Siouxsie Sioux, Nancy Sinatra and Kristeen Young but how are they associated acts?? I thought associated act had to be bands that an artist had to be in some way involved with ie, side projects, subsequent bands. I could be mistaken but I think this may be wrong... -- Reballare ( talk) 12:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Well done on creating the new picture. It looks pretty good, much better than the last one and oddly Morrissey looks younger in this one even though this one and the old one were taken in the same year. Anyway good pic, it makes him look like he has red hair though but I love the effect. Supposed ( talk) 20:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
It's been changed back again to the worst picture of him ever. Could this be classed as vandalism? -- Jimthespring ( talk) 10:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Im desperately trying to find out the name of the song that Morrissey/the smiths sang which was about James Dean? Igt is not the Charming Young Man? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.7.250.87 ( talk) 20:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Without sounding like too much of a square, this isn't anything to do with his wikipedia page if you want an answer search on a fan site. Thanks. JeSuisBryony 13 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesuisbryony ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
its Suedehead by Morrissey.
This article seems way overloaded on pictures. Along with the 19 pictures and one or two other media items, the article appears over crowded. I would suggest culling around five of the pictures, in particular album covers (especially those from The Smiths records) as they are all present on the album articles. Any thoughts? -- Lets Enjoy Life ( talk) 06:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
In the discography for this article, only Morrissey's solo albums are listed. Why are his albums as the vocalist for The Smiths not? The entry for John Lydon contains a list of Sex Pistols, PiL, and solo albums, so why not this article too? ( Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC))
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Surely with all those pictures in the article, including the Alexander picture that was used in the past, and the new Years Of Refusal one, we have no need to start the page with that bad quality live picture, do we? Dollvalley ( talk) 23:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems certain he is bi. Can anyone provide any evidence to the contrary? Werdnawerdna ( talk) 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
This now seems to have descended into an edit-summary argument about who should take it to the talk page, and is clearly damaging the article by eating up any intervening edits. Can these editors please summarise their reason for reverting the others' edits? -- McGeddon ( talk) 16:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
A somewhat comprehensive history of my edits
70% of the edits currently on the Morrissey article are mine. Hours were spent attaining information, finding reliable sources, scanning images, uploading images, organizing and editing the article. I personally feel my edit is superior to the one JD544 and WesleyDodds keep reverting to for various reasons. In fact, I can confidently say that had "Morrissey" not been the nominated article of the week in their WikiProject Alternative music group, they wouldn't have bothered with the article at all. This article has been created via the accumulated work and knowledge of the actual fans of Morrissey...people who actually know what they are talking about...Not people who simply HAVE to edit something just so they have something to show to their group. Not only is it unfair that two people come along and undo the masses work but it is unwarranted.
The following is a list of the problems I have with THEIR edits which lead to me reverting:
1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews.
2. Their edit removes the years under contract while with The Smiths. This page serves as a biography, a solo career page and a Smiths page. There is no valid or conceivable reason to remove those years under contract when the article clearly discusses the subject of The Smiths in great detail.
3. Their edit removes the "occupation" section which lists Morrissey as a vocalist and lyricist in favor of a "instruments" section that solely lists vocalist. Britney Spears is JUST a vocalist because she doesn't write her own material. Morrissey writes his own material and has written his own material since he began his career. Removing this information serves no purpose.
4. Their edit removes mention of Morrissey recently being listed by Rolling Stone magazine as one of the "100 Greatest Singers of All Time". Seeing as this is a major honor, there is no reason for it to be constantly removed by these users.
5. Sections of the article have had their titles changed for no apparent reason. The original titled was "Solo career: 1988-1997". This title was chosen because after 1997 Morrissey went 7 years without a single, a record or a record contract. However, with these users edits they have changed the title to "Launching a solo career". I do not see the purpose of defining a near decade solo with the moniker "launching a solo career". 'Launching a career' would not encompass 10 years worth of albums and singles...after the initial album or two the career is no longer being "launched"...it is an established career.
6. A detailed (but not overly long) account of the Smiths career has been edited down for no good reason. Seeing as this is a Morrissey biography article and he is most known as the lead singer of The Smiths it makes no sense to edit the article down to minuscule proportions and leave out vital information about their formation, career and break-up.
7. Details of The Smiths court case over royalties has been removed from the Smiths section and has instead been placed under the solo career section. Regardless of the court case occurring in 1996 (while Morrissey was solo) it does not belong under that section. It is about the Smiths, it SHOULD be under the Smiths article.
8. The users edits are detrimental to the accuracy of the article. Many up to date changes have been made to the article which have been reverted with their changes such as: "The Sound of The Smiths" has been released since November 10 however on their edit it is still listed as an upcoming release, The release date for the reissue of "Southpaw Grammar" has changed however on their edit it lists an incorrect date, chart information for "The Sound of the Smiths" has been added to the article however their reverts remove this information...there are a few more incorrect and out of date statments in the article I can't think of right off the bat.
There are quite a few other examples of such poor editing on their part but I think you get the general idea.
All these users have really accomplished with their edits is removing the graphics, moving information to improper articles and leaving improper and outdated information on the page. I took these issues to JD544's talk page but was never "graced" with a reply. This was at least a week ago. When faced with these users refusal to come to some common ground, I reverted to the last proper edit of the article. Hopefully this properly answers your query. TheColdDick ( talk) 19:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Proving myself to be a fool ;-) , other problems with the edits are:
I'm sure there must be more that I missed, but that's enough to be getting on with. -- JD554 ( talk) 08:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Now that all the copyvio images have been deleted, could a kind admin please move the image of Morrissey at the Alexander premier to the infobox along with it's caption. It's currently at the end of the 'Political leaders' section. Thanks, -- JD554 ( talk) 08:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Morrissey is described as a 'singer and lyricists'. He also created the melodies to which his lyrics are sung. Doesn't that make him a composer as well? Wysgeer ( talk) 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This lock of the page has solved nothing as far as what is considered a better edit for the page. If you're not going to unlock the page, at least properly update it instead of letting it and it's relevance fester. TheColdDick ( talk) 09:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews.
It currently says English singer which he clearly is as he was born in England cant find any previous discussion on this page so it either needs a new consensus to change or leave as English. Comment? MilborneOne ( talk) 16:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
There may "seem to be" because it doesn't "seem" to support your POV....go back to July and see the spirited review that was conducted on this subject...and concluded with editorial support for British.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.243.107 ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 December 2008
As I have said above there is no previous discussion here on this subject in fact no entries in July at all on any subject. I will give it a few more days and if nobody can come up with a rationale argument to change it we leave the status quo and move to the next disagreement. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
If nobody can come up with a rationale argument to "change it"? You few folks are the ones who have have come along and changed it from its long standing "status quo." And there most certainly was a discussion in July, you didn't do a thorough review...check the sockpuppetry notes of this similar POV pusher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aviousours76 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.243.107 ( talk) 19:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed that Morrissey leads directly to the dude. Should it not lead to Morrissey (disambiguation), per Madonna and Feist, etc? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
It's misleading to refer to Morrissey as a baritone.
If any classical term applies to Morrissey's voice he's probably a 'limited tenor', but it would be best not to apply classical terminology to pop music at all. Wysgeer ( talk) 12:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be best if the first sentence described him as an Anglo-Irish singer? a) He was born and raised in England; both parents were from Ireland. b) His 'dual identity' is obviously important to him, as he clearly expressed in his song Irish Blood, English Heart. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 10:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
What citizenship(s) does he hold? I'm sure he would be entitled to British and Irish, but it would be useful to have that info on the article. F W Nietzsche ( talk) 14:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Anglo-Irish wouldn't be appropriate as it applies when the cirsumstances are reversed (i.e. born in Ireland but of English (Brittish?) decent). Irish Briton would be more suitable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.229.124 ( talk) 00:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
"appeared on stage draped in the Union Flag, a symbol often associated with nationalism and hence with far right groups in Britain". This is a bit point of view is it not? Is there a consensus for branding people racists because they have had their national flag drapped around them? Perhaps someone should add a racism section to the Denise Lewis article http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/27/102427-004-BF36F4BC.jpg Stutley ( talk) 10:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article his mother was a 'librarian'. Did she have a Masters in this profession? Or was she unqualified and worked in a library i.e. a library assistant? If so this needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 13:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I just wrote a new section of the article on Morrissey's influence. I think it's of an adequate length now but it's by no means complete. Any other help would be greatly appreciated! Grunge6910 ( talk) 22:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I've begun the slow, arduous process of cleaning up these woefully inadequately-formatted references. Some are just a URL. Anyone want to help? Grunge6910 ( talk) 02:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Is Morrissey really a singer/songwriter? He usually calls himself simply a singer. The title is a little misleading as it gives the impressions he writes the music to his songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimie06 ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Morrissey has a ridiculously huge and loyal fanbase of Mexicans and Mexican Americans in the SW US. There are reportedly excellent Morrissey/The Smiths Mexican cover bands. He's even been quoted as saying that he wishes he was born in Mexico. I'm not one of them, but I have heard of it and came here to learn more about it. Can someone who knows more about this include at least a mention about it if not a new section. I know at least one source is "Ask a Mexican" by Gustavo Arellano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.208.122 ( talk) 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with WesleyDodds in this edit where he says this image identifies the subject of the article clearer. The other image [12] doesn't clearly identify Morrissey to readers who may not already be aware of what he looks like. -- JD554 ( talk) 15:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see a demonstrable difference in clearness between the two, whereas the current photo seems anachronistic in its setting while the one that's been removed is more appropriate to the article subject. Grunge6910 ( talk) 15:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I recall discussions in the past that infobox images of people should identify the subject as clearly as possible, and unobscured as much as possible. Thus if you have an image of someone who's turned to the side and one of a person facing front, go with the latter. I'm trying to find the guideline for this. WesleyDodds ( talk) 04:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Regarding list of bands influenced by Morrissey: first, I think it's foolish to remove such a large amount of sourced material without talkpage discussion first. Second, I understand the concern over the indiscriminate nature of the list -- does anybody have a suggestion as to better order the list? Grunge6910 ( talk) 16:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Get ready for incoming vandalism ;\ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8324492.stm 87.194.76.247 ( talk) 04:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I laughed so hard when I saw the video of this guy getting boinked on the head with a plastic bottle (of beer?).
And where exactly do you get beer in plastic bottles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.88.44 ( talk) 14:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to ask (nicely!) why has somebody removed the words 'The Present' or at least rephrased it? (I mean, I slaved away writing it for TWO whole minutes). Surely he's moved on from the 'comeback' phrase of his career?
I also added the aformentioned 'Morrissey gets bonked on the head with thrown plastic bottle' but its since been deleted, can the person who did it please explain? Thanks appletaffy nov. 10 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletaffy ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
The plastic bottle incident? Probably because it's of fuck all importance and has no place in an encyclopedia, dear...
I reinserted the following from the lede: "Morrissey's sardonic, literate lyrics tend to be 'dramatic...bleak, funny vignettes about doomed relationships, lonely nightclubs, the burden of the past and the prison of the home' (The Times). He is also noted for his unique vocal style (Rolling Stone)." These summaries of (1) his lyrical and (2) his vocal style are integral to providing an overview of the article subject, and inevitably these will be somebody or other's "assessment." No further rationale for their removal was given. Grunge6910 ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I found a source regarding the song being about Morrissey -- LAist Interview: Russell Mael of Sparks -- but according to Russell the song isn't critical of Moz, so the mention of the single doesn't belong in the Music industry feuds section where it was.
Our song, "Lighten Up Morrissey" is a relationship song about a guy wishing out loud that Morrissey would relinquish some of his core values in order that the guy's girlfriend will better respect him rather than constantly wishing she were with her idol Morrissey. Morrissey only needs to lighten up in the eyes of our song's character.
So does this belong in the article, and if so, where? -- Foetusized ( talk) 20:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Was it 75000 or 28000 pounds he donated? Just wanted to notify on the inconsistency in the article.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.123.46 ( talk) 20:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the concert had a 75,000 pounds deficit, and he then donated 28,000 pounds. But i'm not sure. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.123.46 ( talk) 13:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
The sexuality section of the article needs to be expanded, as it is a massive part of his persona. Sexual themes are evident in much of his work, and his 'campness', claims that he used to be celibate etc, leads to much interest and debate on the matter. It is strange that he references and alludes to his sexuality so much in his lyrics, CD covers, interviews etc, yet has never actually stated what orientation he is. If he really was celibate for years, that is very unusual for a man who is in such a fortunate and favourable position in society. Being a rich, famous rock singer gives him millions of potential sexual partners to chose from. He isn't ugly or out of shape - everything is in his favour. Any suggestion / claim that he is asexual is nonsense, as he frequently expresses his sexuality, be it ambiguously. He is known to have had sexual partners before and after his 'celibate years' - we just don't know the number of gender of each of them. Is he deliberately employing sexual ambiguity to gain attention / publicity - or is he just confused? He cannot have been involuntarily celibate all that time, and for him to choose to be celibate for that long is very strange, considering his opportunities. Was he actually celibate for years - and if so - was that merely to prevent kiss and tell stories? It would be good to get some insight on this from someone who actually knows him. How is he, in general, viewed by LGBT people? Do they (try to) 'claim' him as one of them, or do they dislike him for refusing to state his orientation? I've not heard of him being a gay icon, which for a singer who explores homosexual themes in some of his songs suggests there is some reason for his lack of popularity among LGBT people. Has he ever played at LGBT venues? Does he support LGBT causes, such as same-sex marriage? F W Nietzsche ( talk) 11:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The influence of the Moors Murders on Morrissey is possibly confirmed by the assertion made by Stuart Maconie in ''Pies and Prejudice'' that The Smiths were named for Myra Hindley's sister and brother-in-law, who reported Brady and Hindley to police. Maconie is usually a pretty reliable witness.-- 82.112.134.225 ( talk) 20:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I've provided a reliable source for his being Irish-English, yet this is being reverted. What is the problem with this statement? 79.97.144.17 ( talk) 01:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Anyone born to Irish parents is automatically an Irish citizen though [23]. 79.97.144.17 ( talk) 22:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
It's not as if there is some ongoing important dealings re: Morrissey or The Smiths. I just came here to read a bit and noticed that "fuelled" is spelled wrong (only one l). I tried to correct it. No dice.
My bad...I guess "fuelled" is legit. Man...you Brits.
Hi could everyone please be a little less aggressive and trigger-happy? I am a new wikipedian and trying to improve Morrissey's page, which is somewhat lacking at present. It seems bizarre that an artist who is known primarily for his remarkable closeness to his fans has almost no mention of this on his biography, yet repeated mention of unfounded allegations and excessive discussion of his sexuality.
I may have tried to put a link back in inadvertently because I'm new and didn't realise a link I'd posted was deemed 'inappropriate' - I have just discovered the 'messages' page.
I wrote a very reasonable overview of 'relationship with fans' and a user called John shortly thereafter deleted it, labelling it 'rubbish' and simply removing all reference to Morrissey's relationship with his fans. I think this was unreasonable and uncompromising. This needs ot be discussed before consulting a higher authority if necessary.
Morrissey has recently devoted large amounts of time to a feud with fansite Morrissey-solo, issuing a cease and desist order, banning their owner for life and wearing a 'f*** morrissey-solo' t shirt. Nowhere is this even mentioned on the site. Not only this he has in 5 months written 3 times about a website, which again is not mentioned anywhere on the page. This is big news at the moment and has even received press coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyfan4 ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the section entitled "Relationship with fans" should be put back in as fully acceptable by Wiki standards as is. It is sufficiently supplied with reliable sources. The noteworthiness is supported by the newspaper articles that specifically discuss his relationship with fans and the fact that the film cited (and mentioned in 8 Wiki articles), which has a certain noteworthiness in itself, also deals with his relations with fans. The section "Turbulent relations with online fanbase, feud with website, internet hoax" seems long and I'd trim it, if and when it got its reliable sources. (A number of the sources in the section are in fact reliable: two Guardian citations and the reference to CHARTattack. Fan sites and blogs aren't useful.) -- I.Hutchesson ► 03:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
According to this article he is vegetarian, yet his name appears in the list of vegans. Can anyone check the facts and make the correction where necessary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.242.246 ( talk) 17:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I've removed some of the external links in the article. Per WP:EL, links that should be avoided include "blogs, personal webpages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority". -- FormerIP ( talk) 19:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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Morrissey himself has said several times that he is asexual, could you please put him in the category `asexual people`? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.89.231.122 ( talk) 14:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Does Morrissey hold any religious beleifs? Does he believe in God? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.156.139 ( talk) 19:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
This is a dispute on this page regarding this section:
In an online interview in June 2012, Morrissey reaffirmed a previous statement he had made indicating he had no plans to continue his music career past the age of 55. [1] This has been seen by certain sections of the media as an indication of his imminent retirement. [2] [3]
The statement made here by Morrissey in the original article ( http://msn.juiceonline.com/morrissey-wordsmith/) I believe can be seen as a legitimate announcement of plans of exiting the music scene and I don't understand why the edit is being consistently reverted.
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He has a gigantic Mexican/Mexican-American following and the article only just barely touches on this. Why? -- 76.105.145.143 ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
It looks like 1982 was the year he formed the Smiths. But other than the header date, there's no actual indication of when or how the name came into being. Anyone know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gef05 ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't know Morrissey. Is his face disfigured, or is the pic a very poor representation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.9.95 ( talk) 18:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is a wretched example of the way Wikipedia is systematically misused to puff individuals featured in it. What the piece needs is (a)serious editing by someone unbiassed, (b) preferably to one quarter of its original length. 86.165.58.188 ( talk) 22:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
New source where Morrissey compares eating meat to pedophillia. [24]--v/r - T P 16:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
With regard to the edit summary in this edit: "I'm not at this stage reverting the previous edit, but there is no reliable evidence whatsoever that Morrissey by 1984 "had a lot of girlfriends in the past and quite a few men friends"." The statement is taken from a sourced interview with Johnny Marr - at the bottom of the page it says "Taken from UK Pop Magazine 'Record Mirror', June 9th 1984, page 14" Is that not a reliable source? If not, why not? Chaheel Riens ( talk) 10:20, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Other than the solo at the end of Death Of A Disco Dancer there hasn't been any recordings or live appearances where Morrissey has played the piano therefore I would hardly consider it a notable instrument. If there was any instrument other than his beautiful voice I'd say tamborine! So I think it's a wise idea it's removed from the page because he really isn't a pianist. JeSuisBryony 13 September 2008
He likes Farage quite a lot? What a shame to hear that from someone who I used to hold as a hero when I was a student. Time to chuck out the Smiths albums I think. — Preceding
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I have changed the opening sentence describing Morrissey as an English singer. Looking through the archives, I saw there was already a bit of discussion about this circa 2008 but no one made a cogent argument for why it is important to distinguish between English and British. My argument is three fold:
I think referring to Moz as "English" creates unnecessary confusion regarding his ethnic and national background. He's not ethnic English, England is not a country and he doesn't live there in any case. His nationality is British and he's an expatriate residing in the US. He's as English in any sense of the word as Lennox Lewis was when he resided in Canada.
Machine Man ( talk) 22:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
The first sentence of the third paragraph reads: Morrissey have severely criticized fellow singers such as Madonna, David Bowie and George Michael.
This should either read "M. has severely..." or "M. has been severely..."
I don't know enough Morrissey trivia to know which.
Either way, there're no citations given for the severe criticism. Perhaps the sentence needs to go?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicdafis ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
It reads that Wilde was a homosexual. He was not. He had a wife and children. He believed in 'Greek Love'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.13.72 ( talk) 00:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Greek, homosexual love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.105.133 ( talk) 00:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Of course Wilde was a homosexual you idiot, he was in Reading Jail for confessing to it; in court, someone asked 'Mr Wilde, put simply, did you make love to this man?' Wilde replied 'absolutely not, that is wholly disgusting; he is far too ugly' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.230.34 ( talk) 19:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Can I get a source for the Tony Visconti Quote about the next Moz album? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soonlaypale ( talk • contribs) 19:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree 100% with Mr. Morrissey regarding TSA. They put their hands on me like I was some kind of sex toy that they couldn't get enough of. I'm a man about Mr. Morrissey age and when another man does that, forget, I want something done to stop this. If they gotta put their hands on me like that, then I want a women doing the search. They threatened to not let me on the plane because I couldn't take this man groping me on every inch of my body. I least I should be allow to choose who does this outlandish search when all I did was forget to take my belt off. I was forced to allow this after stopping the man 3 times and then they said I would not be allowed on the plane. Get the F out of here with this BS. I wasn't even allowed the camera scan because the belt set off the metal detection line. Yes, I don't travel enough to remember the belt, but stop this action on the part of TSA. ⋅÷×− — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKJACK ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I suggest it is removed "Steven Patrick Morrissey" and "Morrissey" is moved to it, because Morrissey is a term that itself is generic and name of the article should respond to the legal name of the person not the "alias" and less if the alias can mean many things unrelated to this specific person -- KSEltar ( talk) 04:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
I admit to being woefully ignorant of Morrissey's career, but can I ask how David Bowie is an Associated Act? Apart from being a fan of his glam period and having the great Mick Ronson as a producer for an album, I fail to see the connection. However I must admit on seeing Bowie's name at the top, I neglected to read the article and just did a word search of the article for Bowie. Kempee ( talk) 01:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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The first link here works - the second one does not. Knittea ( talk) 06:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Wouldn't the discussion of Morrissey's sexuality improve if we acknowledged that asexuality is a thing? Look at the Asexual page and look up biromantic demisexual and Morrissey's statement about being a "humasexual" fits it perfectly. 24.20.45.251 ( talk) 18:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)eriol11
Morrissey stated in his autobiography that he "is humansexual" he "loves people but not that many". Only he knows what this means. Casey christie ( talk) 06:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Morrissey has never been successfully pigeonholed. In his biography he criticises "alternative" as a moniker, and "indie" stopped being relevant when he signed to a big label. He's experimented with flamenco, harder rock, torch songs etc etc so why don't we do the right thing and put "Sui generis" as the first option for genre, and then put the others in brackets, if they must be there. Unfortunately, the entire reliability of the article is compromised at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.73.193 ( talk) 22:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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The current photograph is from 2005. We could do with having a more contemporary photograph. Luckily there are lots around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.53.129 ( talk) 19:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Some lines of the article stand out as being in conflict with WP:PEACOCK:
Autarch ( talk) 19:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The fan website true-to-you.net, which previously enjoyed a relationship with Morrissey, is now offline and clicking any link to it redirects to an error page. About a dozen true-to-you.net sources are used in this article (based on my browser's search function for the keyword "true-to-you"), some of which are already archived, but the majority of which are not. I can try to help, but I think it could be beneficial if other people looked into that as well. (This is also a problem on other Morrissey-related articles, such as some of his solo albums like Years of Refusal, but that's not the focus here.) Bizarre Bizarre Talk modern to me 15:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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See this. Evidently he called Hitler left-wing. Doug Weller talk 11:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
WP:Articles for deletion/Still Ill. -- Softlavender ( talk) 06:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Would they go under the political opinions section or would a new one need to be made? There's certainly been enough coverage (& criticism) of the comments in the press, these to name a few, and some others already cited in the article such as The Guardian source.
At the moment, the article does read a little whitewashed, as there's no mention of his past comments on black music as covered in The Guardian, Dallas Observer, The i etc. or the "rape capital of Europe" comments from the Der Spiegel interview, which have been covered in multiple accepted outlets. Also no mention of his support for Israel and criticism of BDS in the political opinions section or the denouncing of halal & kosher in 'Animal rights advocacy' (which should be changed at least to 'Animal welfare views & advocacy' since much of it is seen more controversial than anything else, & is hardly good press for genuine animal rights advocates). Donkey Hot-day ( talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)