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Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel1 (M) b. 6 August 1926, Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel was born on 6 August 1926 in Racconigi, Italy.1 He is the son of Philipp Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel and Mafalda Maria Elisabetta Anna Romana di Savoia-Carignano, Principessa di Savoia.1 He married Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, daughter of Gustav Albrecht Fürst zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg and Margareta Fouché d'Otrante, on 1 June 1964 in a civil marriage. They were remarried 2 days later in a religious ceremony.1 He and Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg were divorced on 16 October 1974 in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel gained the title of Prinz von Hessen-Kassel.1 He gained the title of Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel on 25 October 1980.1
Children of Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel and Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg Mafalda Margarethe Prinzessin von Hessen-Kassel+ b. 6 Jul 1965 Heinrich Donatus Philipp Umberto Prinz von Hessen-Kassel b. 17 Oct 1966 Elena Elisabeth Madeleine Prinzessin von Hessen-Kassel b. 8 Nov 1967 Philipp Robin Prinz von Hessen-Kassel b. 10 Sep 1970 Citations
According to [ [1]], he is the closest common ancestor of American actresses Brooke Shields and Catherine Oxenberg (11th cousins). RicJac 18:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I firmly believe, and would like to assert strongly, with all due respect, that it is inappropriate to use exonyms for the personal names of modern people, especially living persons, on English Wikipedia. The year 1900 is an appropriate cut-off as a rule. 20th and 21st century people (as compared to historical persons of old) have legal names which have been and are spelled only one way legally. King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden is one of thousands of examples of this, and the fact that Mae West is not called Maj Väst on Swedish WP is another. Thus any other variations of these persons' names, which they themselves did/do not use as pseudonyms or professional names, would be the inventions of people unauthorized, legally, to name them. I am removing the prince's Italian and English name versions as irrelevant. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
It is not spam to mention the names of all 3 persons in the caption under an image with only 3 persons, and it is not helpful to just remove an identity so that it's no longer clear who's who. Reverting. Also see Also please see Talk:Indian Love Call#Image of a duo singing the song replaced by movie poster. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 18:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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Please reinstate this valuable image which was removed for no apparent reason. The only modern day free images of this recently deceased man were taken on this same day and are in the Commons collection that this one comes from. It is my objective opinion that rare historical photos like this one are relevant to articles about notable people, no matter what the names are of other individuals in them. As free images, these are few and far between. This one was specifically OK'd here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 08:23, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move b uidh e 05:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Moritz, Landgrave of Hesse →
Moritz von Hessen – The current article title gives the impression that his title is Landgrave of Hesse. In fact, like all
German nobility, the Landgravate was abolished a century ago. His surname is "Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen", just like it is for everyone in his family, but this is not a title and it shouldn't be treated as such or translated into English. It's just a last name. German Wikipedia simply calls him "Moritz von Hessen", and it makes sense to follow their lead.
Smurrayinchester 10:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. —
Amakuru (
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18:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
" Oppose given that the Talk:Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse#Requested move 8 March 2020 decision was no consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:39D8:DC61:7CF6:6844 ( talk) 05:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Just to expand my !vote above, current article naming policy is to go with what English speakers use. There are some exceptions, and particularly relevant in this case is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility), but that doesn't cover this case at all well, or am I missing it?
Several rationales above suggest that we should follow current German legislation rather than common use. That can work, and if adopted by consensus should be added to the guideline (or at least clarified there), and otherwise these personal opinions have no relevance here whatsoever.
As noted above there's a very similar proposal at Talk:Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse#Requested move 8 March 2020. I suggest the issues raised be discussed here for the moment. Andrewa ( talk) 16:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel1 (M) b. 6 August 1926, Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel was born on 6 August 1926 in Racconigi, Italy.1 He is the son of Philipp Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel and Mafalda Maria Elisabetta Anna Romana di Savoia-Carignano, Principessa di Savoia.1 He married Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, daughter of Gustav Albrecht Fürst zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg and Margareta Fouché d'Otrante, on 1 June 1964 in a civil marriage. They were remarried 2 days later in a religious ceremony.1 He and Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg were divorced on 16 October 1974 in Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel gained the title of Prinz von Hessen-Kassel.1 He gained the title of Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel on 25 October 1980.1
Children of Moritz Friedrich Karl Emanuel Humbert Landgraf von Hessen-Kassel and Tatiana Louise Ursula Therese Elsa Prinzessin zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg Mafalda Margarethe Prinzessin von Hessen-Kassel+ b. 6 Jul 1965 Heinrich Donatus Philipp Umberto Prinz von Hessen-Kassel b. 17 Oct 1966 Elena Elisabeth Madeleine Prinzessin von Hessen-Kassel b. 8 Nov 1967 Philipp Robin Prinz von Hessen-Kassel b. 10 Sep 1970 Citations
According to [ [1]], he is the closest common ancestor of American actresses Brooke Shields and Catherine Oxenberg (11th cousins). RicJac 18:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I firmly believe, and would like to assert strongly, with all due respect, that it is inappropriate to use exonyms for the personal names of modern people, especially living persons, on English Wikipedia. The year 1900 is an appropriate cut-off as a rule. 20th and 21st century people (as compared to historical persons of old) have legal names which have been and are spelled only one way legally. King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden is one of thousands of examples of this, and the fact that Mae West is not called Maj Väst on Swedish WP is another. Thus any other variations of these persons' names, which they themselves did/do not use as pseudonyms or professional names, would be the inventions of people unauthorized, legally, to name them. I am removing the prince's Italian and English name versions as irrelevant. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 12:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
It is not spam to mention the names of all 3 persons in the caption under an image with only 3 persons, and it is not helpful to just remove an identity so that it's no longer clear who's who. Reverting. Also see Also please see Talk:Indian Love Call#Image of a duo singing the song replaced by movie poster. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 18:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. A reviewer felt that this edit would not improve the article. |
Please reinstate this valuable image which was removed for no apparent reason. The only modern day free images of this recently deceased man were taken on this same day and are in the Commons collection that this one comes from. It is my objective opinion that rare historical photos like this one are relevant to articles about notable people, no matter what the names are of other individuals in them. As free images, these are few and far between. This one was specifically OK'd here. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 08:23, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move b uidh e 05:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Moritz, Landgrave of Hesse →
Moritz von Hessen – The current article title gives the impression that his title is Landgrave of Hesse. In fact, like all
German nobility, the Landgravate was abolished a century ago. His surname is "Prinz und Landgraf von Hessen", just like it is for everyone in his family, but this is not a title and it shouldn't be treated as such or translated into English. It's just a last name. German Wikipedia simply calls him "Moritz von Hessen", and it makes sense to follow their lead.
Smurrayinchester 10:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. —
Amakuru (
talk)
18:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
" Oppose given that the Talk:Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse#Requested move 8 March 2020 decision was no consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:39D8:DC61:7CF6:6844 ( talk) 05:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Just to expand my !vote above, current article naming policy is to go with what English speakers use. There are some exceptions, and particularly relevant in this case is Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility), but that doesn't cover this case at all well, or am I missing it?
Several rationales above suggest that we should follow current German legislation rather than common use. That can work, and if adopted by consensus should be added to the guideline (or at least clarified there), and otherwise these personal opinions have no relevance here whatsoever.
As noted above there's a very similar proposal at Talk:Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse#Requested move 8 March 2020. I suggest the issues raised be discussed here for the moment. Andrewa ( talk) 16:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)