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The result of the proposal was no move of Morion (helmet) to Morion at this time, per consensus. JPG-GR ( talk) 21:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that a search for "morion" should default to this article, rather than the article about the mineral. I did a GoogleFight, and the results showed that "helmet" was used more often than "mineral" with this term.
Here are the results: [1]-- Tabun1015 20:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I tried to change it but they undid it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick19thind ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Move Morion to Morion(mineral) or similar and create disambiguation page at Morion It seems neither is miles ahead to me, so there is no primary article; page usage is even; [ [2]] vs [ [3]], britannica.com does mention the mineral, but some dictionaries don't. Neither seems particularly common to me. -- Rogerb67 ( talk) 02:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't know anything about the helmet. I'm the one who undid Nick19thind's cut-n-paste move of morion as that left the history of the article stranded. Now, the morion article is currently about a rather minor lapidary variety and could easily be moved to morion (mineral) which would free up the basic morion page for use as a disambiguation page. I have no objection to such a proper move and would be willing to do it if consensus exists. Vsmith ( talk) 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Morion | Dark-brown, opaque variety of smoky quartz resulting from irradiation of aluminium-containing milk quartz. |
-- Witan ( talk) 22:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose the move of this article to the undisambiguated name. There's no clear primary meaning, so if any move is performed, despite there being only two meanings a disambiguation page should be created at the undisambiguated name. I'd suggest the mineral article be moved to morion (mineral), as if we merge to the table we are losing both current content and the opportunity to expand the stub. Andrewa ( talk) 20:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
No to proposed merge. Morion is not a major variety of quartz. It appears to be a variety of a variety ( smoky quartz) and perhaps most is is artificially produced which further reduces its status as a valid mineral variety. As mentioned on talk:quartz the variety should most likely be merged with a revived smoky quartz article. Vsmith ( talk) 03:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment I really think that the naming of the mineral article, and its possible merge can be kept distinct. What is at Morion in principle depends only on WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. Whether Morion is an article or a redirect only affects things insofar as whether disambiguation can reasonably be provided at the destination page; if not, Morion may need to be a redirect itself for purely practical considerations. Can we stick to discussing the rename here? Thanks. -- Rogerb67 ( talk) 11:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose merge. Morion quartz should have its own page. "Morion" could be a disambiguation with links to morion (helmet) and morion (mineral) articles.
I have now made a complete merge of morion into smoky quartz after moving to morion (mineral) and undoing the previous improper merge of smoky quartz into the local variety cairgram. I have made the morion article a disambiguation page. The incomplete merge of morion into quartz varieties was undone as morion is not a major variety. Geez what a mess. Straightened out now - I hope. Vsmith ( talk) 03:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The first illustration has disappeared; I don't know why. It should be put back, since it gives a better idea of what a morion looks like than that photo. A morion is what the conquistadors wore. If you ever see the film Captain from Castile, Cesar Romero , who plays Hernan Cortez, wears a morion in it. AlbertSM ( talk) 00:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
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Is there a specific reason for the shape given? There must be reason why the back is left as open as the front (to do with the armies formation? or reverseability? If both sides were chainmailed I suppose it would be hard to tell if the soldier was front facing or back facing?
Just thought, one reason could be that the helmets with the larger "fins" could be used as a shield or crenelation if put down. That would mean that the it was the same time as soldiers started using rifles. Anticipating horizontal fire, rather than the arched arrow fire.
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The result of the proposal was no move of Morion (helmet) to Morion at this time, per consensus. JPG-GR ( talk) 21:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that a search for "morion" should default to this article, rather than the article about the mineral. I did a GoogleFight, and the results showed that "helmet" was used more often than "mineral" with this term.
Here are the results: [1]-- Tabun1015 20:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I tried to change it but they undid it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick19thind ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Move Morion to Morion(mineral) or similar and create disambiguation page at Morion It seems neither is miles ahead to me, so there is no primary article; page usage is even; [ [2]] vs [ [3]], britannica.com does mention the mineral, but some dictionaries don't. Neither seems particularly common to me. -- Rogerb67 ( talk) 02:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't know anything about the helmet. I'm the one who undid Nick19thind's cut-n-paste move of morion as that left the history of the article stranded. Now, the morion article is currently about a rather minor lapidary variety and could easily be moved to morion (mineral) which would free up the basic morion page for use as a disambiguation page. I have no objection to such a proper move and would be willing to do it if consensus exists. Vsmith ( talk) 02:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Morion | Dark-brown, opaque variety of smoky quartz resulting from irradiation of aluminium-containing milk quartz. |
-- Witan ( talk) 22:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose the move of this article to the undisambiguated name. There's no clear primary meaning, so if any move is performed, despite there being only two meanings a disambiguation page should be created at the undisambiguated name. I'd suggest the mineral article be moved to morion (mineral), as if we merge to the table we are losing both current content and the opportunity to expand the stub. Andrewa ( talk) 20:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
No to proposed merge. Morion is not a major variety of quartz. It appears to be a variety of a variety ( smoky quartz) and perhaps most is is artificially produced which further reduces its status as a valid mineral variety. As mentioned on talk:quartz the variety should most likely be merged with a revived smoky quartz article. Vsmith ( talk) 03:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment I really think that the naming of the mineral article, and its possible merge can be kept distinct. What is at Morion in principle depends only on WP:PRIMARYUSAGE. Whether Morion is an article or a redirect only affects things insofar as whether disambiguation can reasonably be provided at the destination page; if not, Morion may need to be a redirect itself for purely practical considerations. Can we stick to discussing the rename here? Thanks. -- Rogerb67 ( talk) 11:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Oppose merge. Morion quartz should have its own page. "Morion" could be a disambiguation with links to morion (helmet) and morion (mineral) articles.
I have now made a complete merge of morion into smoky quartz after moving to morion (mineral) and undoing the previous improper merge of smoky quartz into the local variety cairgram. I have made the morion article a disambiguation page. The incomplete merge of morion into quartz varieties was undone as morion is not a major variety. Geez what a mess. Straightened out now - I hope. Vsmith ( talk) 03:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The first illustration has disappeared; I don't know why. It should be put back, since it gives a better idea of what a morion looks like than that photo. A morion is what the conquistadors wore. If you ever see the film Captain from Castile, Cesar Romero , who plays Hernan Cortez, wears a morion in it. AlbertSM ( talk) 00:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
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Is there a specific reason for the shape given? There must be reason why the back is left as open as the front (to do with the armies formation? or reverseability? If both sides were chainmailed I suppose it would be hard to tell if the soldier was front facing or back facing?
Just thought, one reason could be that the helmets with the larger "fins" could be used as a shield or crenelation if put down. That would mean that the it was the same time as soldiers started using rifles. Anticipating horizontal fire, rather than the arched arrow fire.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.92.192 ( talk) 23:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)