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Why don't we consider including the picture of the UVM statue on this page? ( http://www.uvm.edu/morgan/?Page=statue.html) It is not a living horse belonging to any individual breeder, and it was created from several revisions by the Morgan Club Board as specifically being the best representation of what JM looked like. And there are probably public domain photos available, too. T-bonham 08:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree on the UVM picture. Also, am I the only one who's slightly offended by the fact that the picture at the top of the page is the modern "show" type? These look nothing like the traditional breed standard. ebolamunkee
The "young Morgan showing typical breed type" is coarse and untypy, to say the least. This needs to be replaced with a more suitable photograph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdevries10 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Removed this image for now, but parking it here in case a need for it arises as the article expands. Nice photo, but only a head shot.
Found this in a 1888 newspaper, might be interesting in the article. Ealdgyth | Talk 19:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I had a morgan horse that was 16 hands and have reguarly seen some that are bigger i dont know were they got that morgan only grow to 15.2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj2u44 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
It's actually pretty debatable that Morgans were used as a specific breed for the cavalry remount system during the Indian Wars. Remounts were purchased by regimental boards from any number of horse dealers (the actual remount system didn't come into play until after the 1890s), and preference was typically given to the Thoroughbred when any sort of selection by breed was possible. I've also never seen any good documentation that proves Comanche was any sort of Morgan cross-breed. There are figures available through the records of the remount service that documents the number of Morgans used, and they were very small when compared to Thoroughbreds (which were the majority). There was some experimentation with Arabians and some German warmbloods, but for the most part discussions during the early 1900s appear to have regarded Morgans as more suited for field artillery work than cavalry. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 20:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The work of WR Brown around the turn of the century looked at Arabians, Morgans and Thoroughbreds. As always, what is needed are proper sources. What's in the article is reasonably verified. Thoroughbreds had their place, but Morgans and other breeds did as well. Large horse tend to have poor endurance, Morgans and other compact horses survived the rigors of war much better. Montanabw (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Want to note some newer images on commons that may be suitable here, though with the recent concern raised that non-Morgans are being posted as Morgans, want to see if any objections exist for the following: File:Morgan1.jpg(<-really like this one), File:Morgan2.jpg, File:MorganBlaze.jpg(<-that one looks like a professional shot), File:BayMorganHead1.jpg, File:Morgan parked out.jpg(<- is this horse too long and poorly conformed to use? Also possibly a part-Saddlebred?) Montanabw (talk) 04:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Since the Pony Express ended during the Civil War, it certainly isn't likely that Morgans were used by them in the post-CW period. I'm taking that out. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 15:10, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Setting this area up for comments on the article to get it to GA. Montanabw (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
All the pretty pictures on Commons. Can we check the copyright status of the ones in the gallery to verify they are OK even by FA standards? (No sense putting in something only to be thrown out). Montanabw (talk) 20:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Comanche We may want to take a stab at this claim, too. Here's some proposed wording with sources:
While Morgan enthusiasts have stated that Comanche (horse) was either a Morgan or a Mustang/Morgan mix, there is no contemporary evidence to support this statement. The Army purchased their remounts during this period from a variety of sources and had no central breeding program or facility. Most early accounts state that Comanche was either of "mustang lineage" source or a mix of "American" and "Spanish" blood source. The website of the Museum of Natural History at the University of Kansas (which has the stuffed body of Comanche on display) makes no statement as to his breed source. All sources agree that he originated in the Oklahoma or Texas area, making his mustang background more likely.
Historical accuracy is important for an article like this. We should try to present as accurate a picture as possible, even if it means modifying a cherished (although possibly incorrect) claim. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 20:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
While Morgan enthusiasts have stated that Comanche (horse) was either a Morgan or a Mustang/Morgan mix, [1] records of the U.S. Army and other early sources do not support this. Most accounts state that Comanche was either of "Mustang lineage" source or a mix of "American" and "Spanish" blood source. The University of Kansas Natural History Museum, which has the stuffed body of Comanche on display, makes no statement as to his breed source. All sources agree that he originated in the Oklahoma or Texas area, making his Mustang background more likely.
Also can't find a source for these two statements (in History section):
Does anyone else have sources that cover these? Dana boomer ( talk) 23:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
A couple of things:
Thoughts? Dana boomer ( talk) 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Do you think these will pass WP:RS? They are good for the bloodlines and history.
Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 01:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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I have added a clarification tag to "clean-cut head" because I do not understand what this means. In several places, this article uses words or phrases that are too technical for the average reader and do not attempt to explain these or direct the reader to an article where they are explained. There is no point in removing a clarification tag saying "that is what it says in the breed standards" because the standards simply use the same inaccessible language. In this case, the phrase "clean-cut head" is not mentioned in the breed standards and is possibly OR. Would editors knowleadgeable in "horse speak" please edit this article and use language that us more accessible.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 16:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Breed type and specifications for breeding and retention of the Morgan Horse existed during the time that US Government Horse Farm existed, up until Congress at the request of private breeders dispersed the herd among the land-grant colleges and private parties, leaving UVM and some few others the task of perpetuating the horse without government support. Perhaps fifteen years ago Steve Davis, at that time Director of UVM Morgan Horse Farm, told us that UVM had (and may still have) a copy of those government breed-type specifications. He may have sent me us copy but if so we do not now have it.
Also, find teh moments where specifications changed. When Harry Sebring took over the AMHA "Judging Standards" revisions, language for breed type radically changed. Any reasonable analysis of this set of changes, which the proponents admitted to desiring and enacted over several years, will show an attempt to lead the breed toward characteristics previously associated with Saddlebred and Hackney. Before that, breed type language was primarily the same for a very long time: deep heart girth, straight legs, 14.3-15.3 HH, medium neck and throat latch, four pasterns the same length: these standards were more similar to any internationally recognizable athletic conformation than current Judging standards. For many years, the National Park Service named the Morgan it's #1 horse of choice, and specifications or ationale of that tradition may prove helpful. Because of the campaign openly begun in the 90's by certain breeders and trainers to make the Morgan Horse more like the American Saddlebred and Hackney, an undertaking such as this must find incontrovertible historical documents or be shouted down by partisams, or fail to find descriptions of what the breed originally was, and why it was valued, then and now.
One suggestion would be to find such documents -- those pertaining to the original breed standards of the USG Horse Farm, and after: under Donald Balch's academic and stringent leadership of the UVM Morgan Horse Farm breed perpetuation program -- and quote them. The current problems between those in favor of hybrid Morgan Horses (new type) and those in favor of classic "old type" horses, will sort itself out but this article cannot succeed if it is subject to passing fancies or trainers'manipulation of perceptions for financial gain.
Since we no longer actively breed Morgan Horses, we have no dog in this fight, but have literally thousands of photos of Morgans, living and dead, with clear parentage and attribution adequate for publication. Because of these, we may be able to help you. We will provide images of Morgans doing reining, Western Pleasure, Western Dressage, hunter-please, English Pleasure or Park, and allow their use for this purpose of the WP FACTUAL Morgan Horse article (if and where those images are under our control, as public domain or preferably with permission of /accreditation to the photographers). If someone will contact us here or at ccmorris@capecod.net for photos you can use, we'll provide those.
We will also point people to various articles, such as one by Ben Qua in TMH in 2003-4, where he admits to being a participant and eye-witness to the meeting in which the Morgan Horse Club PURPOSELY took a decision to change the breed toward a more saddlebred-type horse. Of course, when we joined the breed in the 1990s, the 'said-to-be" epoch of the Morgan was ending, as blood-testing became the rule and some horses were slaughtered rather than be found to be dopplegangers. Without attacking anyone, quotes can be found and used that show that, although the breed has bobbled during the 1990s and 2010s and still today struggles to reabsorb these hybrid Morgans, a Morgan horse has characteristics that define it and show its its breed-type. Despite the rich owner and trainer cliques, the Morgan Horse's special qualities remain in tact AND RESURGE rapidly when/if breeding to type resumes. We fully expect the Morgan to absorb the conformational flaws and that came with this injudicious outcrossing, and reassert its basic hardy and valuable nature. When Justin Morgan, or "Figure" the horse was alive, he couldn't breed to any Morgans: there were none. He was bred to anyone who paid the stud fee. Battell's first Morgan Horse register required a percentage of 30% or more Justin Morgan blood. AMHA has one of those original books (of which only fourteen purportedly survive), because we gave it to them. That foundation stallion, and his ability to produce a smarter, stronger, more versatile horse, is alive today in Morgan Horses everywhere, and eventually today's concerned breed lovers will be proud of their horse as he was in history, as he is today, and as he will be tomorrow. Good luck, guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.222.200 ( talk) 19:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly comment: I have no idea how to use Wikipedia, so I'll figure out how to upload photos, and where you'd like the photos uploaded (hints would be nice) and their attributions and copyright holders; I'll even request permission for uses if the photos aren't taken by us and ask other photographers under what conditions they'll allow use. As for the documents I referenced, those are extant documents published the breed Journal, The Morgan horse Magazine; some from UVM's historical records.I believe I can get those for you. The photo to my eye that is most offensive photo is of the show horse who's standing ankles together -- demonstrating that it is base narrow, a dangerous conformation flaw in any breed. I'll find a similar photo to substitute; as for other photos, as I say, we have thousands, of Morgans of all breeding and ages. I'd rather give a selection of photos with acceptable breed type and no obvious conformational flaws, and let you choose what you like. It will take me some time to figure out where to upload, and how many I can upload. And I will take on the job finding documents or sourcing documents that meet your criteria. I believe the documents I referenced can all be acquired by me for forwarding to you with a bit of effort on my part. Where I have printed documents from primary or secondary sources such as The Morgan Horse Magazine (breed journal), I'll cite and upload quotes. However, don't expect these very soon. Without further guidance, I'll upload to this page or to some page where you want photos to choose from. I am hoping not to join any group, but simply provide some useful information. if you feel that because we once owned Morgans, we are inappropriate helpers, let me know and I'll leave you to it.
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Why don't we consider including the picture of the UVM statue on this page? ( http://www.uvm.edu/morgan/?Page=statue.html) It is not a living horse belonging to any individual breeder, and it was created from several revisions by the Morgan Club Board as specifically being the best representation of what JM looked like. And there are probably public domain photos available, too. T-bonham 08:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree on the UVM picture. Also, am I the only one who's slightly offended by the fact that the picture at the top of the page is the modern "show" type? These look nothing like the traditional breed standard. ebolamunkee
The "young Morgan showing typical breed type" is coarse and untypy, to say the least. This needs to be replaced with a more suitable photograph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdevries10 ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Removed this image for now, but parking it here in case a need for it arises as the article expands. Nice photo, but only a head shot.
Found this in a 1888 newspaper, might be interesting in the article. Ealdgyth | Talk 19:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I had a morgan horse that was 16 hands and have reguarly seen some that are bigger i dont know were they got that morgan only grow to 15.2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj2u44 ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
It's actually pretty debatable that Morgans were used as a specific breed for the cavalry remount system during the Indian Wars. Remounts were purchased by regimental boards from any number of horse dealers (the actual remount system didn't come into play until after the 1890s), and preference was typically given to the Thoroughbred when any sort of selection by breed was possible. I've also never seen any good documentation that proves Comanche was any sort of Morgan cross-breed. There are figures available through the records of the remount service that documents the number of Morgans used, and they were very small when compared to Thoroughbreds (which were the majority). There was some experimentation with Arabians and some German warmbloods, but for the most part discussions during the early 1900s appear to have regarded Morgans as more suited for field artillery work than cavalry. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 20:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
The work of WR Brown around the turn of the century looked at Arabians, Morgans and Thoroughbreds. As always, what is needed are proper sources. What's in the article is reasonably verified. Thoroughbreds had their place, but Morgans and other breeds did as well. Large horse tend to have poor endurance, Morgans and other compact horses survived the rigors of war much better. Montanabw (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Want to note some newer images on commons that may be suitable here, though with the recent concern raised that non-Morgans are being posted as Morgans, want to see if any objections exist for the following: File:Morgan1.jpg(<-really like this one), File:Morgan2.jpg, File:MorganBlaze.jpg(<-that one looks like a professional shot), File:BayMorganHead1.jpg, File:Morgan parked out.jpg(<- is this horse too long and poorly conformed to use? Also possibly a part-Saddlebred?) Montanabw (talk) 04:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Since the Pony Express ended during the Civil War, it certainly isn't likely that Morgans were used by them in the post-CW period. I'm taking that out. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 15:10, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Setting this area up for comments on the article to get it to GA. Montanabw (talk) 19:16, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
All the pretty pictures on Commons. Can we check the copyright status of the ones in the gallery to verify they are OK even by FA standards? (No sense putting in something only to be thrown out). Montanabw (talk) 20:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Comanche We may want to take a stab at this claim, too. Here's some proposed wording with sources:
While Morgan enthusiasts have stated that Comanche (horse) was either a Morgan or a Mustang/Morgan mix, there is no contemporary evidence to support this statement. The Army purchased their remounts during this period from a variety of sources and had no central breeding program or facility. Most early accounts state that Comanche was either of "mustang lineage" source or a mix of "American" and "Spanish" blood source. The website of the Museum of Natural History at the University of Kansas (which has the stuffed body of Comanche on display) makes no statement as to his breed source. All sources agree that he originated in the Oklahoma or Texas area, making his mustang background more likely.
Historical accuracy is important for an article like this. We should try to present as accurate a picture as possible, even if it means modifying a cherished (although possibly incorrect) claim. Intothatdarkness ( talk) 20:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
While Morgan enthusiasts have stated that Comanche (horse) was either a Morgan or a Mustang/Morgan mix, [1] records of the U.S. Army and other early sources do not support this. Most accounts state that Comanche was either of "Mustang lineage" source or a mix of "American" and "Spanish" blood source. The University of Kansas Natural History Museum, which has the stuffed body of Comanche on display, makes no statement as to his breed source. All sources agree that he originated in the Oklahoma or Texas area, making his Mustang background more likely.
Also can't find a source for these two statements (in History section):
Does anyone else have sources that cover these? Dana boomer ( talk) 23:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
A couple of things:
Thoughts? Dana boomer ( talk) 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Do you think these will pass WP:RS? They are good for the bloodlines and history.
Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 01:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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Ok, having a look now - will jot queries below. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Otherwise looking good.... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 10:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:
3. Broad in coverage?:
4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:
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I have added a clarification tag to "clean-cut head" because I do not understand what this means. In several places, this article uses words or phrases that are too technical for the average reader and do not attempt to explain these or direct the reader to an article where they are explained. There is no point in removing a clarification tag saying "that is what it says in the breed standards" because the standards simply use the same inaccessible language. In this case, the phrase "clean-cut head" is not mentioned in the breed standards and is possibly OR. Would editors knowleadgeable in "horse speak" please edit this article and use language that us more accessible.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 16:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Breed type and specifications for breeding and retention of the Morgan Horse existed during the time that US Government Horse Farm existed, up until Congress at the request of private breeders dispersed the herd among the land-grant colleges and private parties, leaving UVM and some few others the task of perpetuating the horse without government support. Perhaps fifteen years ago Steve Davis, at that time Director of UVM Morgan Horse Farm, told us that UVM had (and may still have) a copy of those government breed-type specifications. He may have sent me us copy but if so we do not now have it.
Also, find teh moments where specifications changed. When Harry Sebring took over the AMHA "Judging Standards" revisions, language for breed type radically changed. Any reasonable analysis of this set of changes, which the proponents admitted to desiring and enacted over several years, will show an attempt to lead the breed toward characteristics previously associated with Saddlebred and Hackney. Before that, breed type language was primarily the same for a very long time: deep heart girth, straight legs, 14.3-15.3 HH, medium neck and throat latch, four pasterns the same length: these standards were more similar to any internationally recognizable athletic conformation than current Judging standards. For many years, the National Park Service named the Morgan it's #1 horse of choice, and specifications or ationale of that tradition may prove helpful. Because of the campaign openly begun in the 90's by certain breeders and trainers to make the Morgan Horse more like the American Saddlebred and Hackney, an undertaking such as this must find incontrovertible historical documents or be shouted down by partisams, or fail to find descriptions of what the breed originally was, and why it was valued, then and now.
One suggestion would be to find such documents -- those pertaining to the original breed standards of the USG Horse Farm, and after: under Donald Balch's academic and stringent leadership of the UVM Morgan Horse Farm breed perpetuation program -- and quote them. The current problems between those in favor of hybrid Morgan Horses (new type) and those in favor of classic "old type" horses, will sort itself out but this article cannot succeed if it is subject to passing fancies or trainers'manipulation of perceptions for financial gain.
Since we no longer actively breed Morgan Horses, we have no dog in this fight, but have literally thousands of photos of Morgans, living and dead, with clear parentage and attribution adequate for publication. Because of these, we may be able to help you. We will provide images of Morgans doing reining, Western Pleasure, Western Dressage, hunter-please, English Pleasure or Park, and allow their use for this purpose of the WP FACTUAL Morgan Horse article (if and where those images are under our control, as public domain or preferably with permission of /accreditation to the photographers). If someone will contact us here or at ccmorris@capecod.net for photos you can use, we'll provide those.
We will also point people to various articles, such as one by Ben Qua in TMH in 2003-4, where he admits to being a participant and eye-witness to the meeting in which the Morgan Horse Club PURPOSELY took a decision to change the breed toward a more saddlebred-type horse. Of course, when we joined the breed in the 1990s, the 'said-to-be" epoch of the Morgan was ending, as blood-testing became the rule and some horses were slaughtered rather than be found to be dopplegangers. Without attacking anyone, quotes can be found and used that show that, although the breed has bobbled during the 1990s and 2010s and still today struggles to reabsorb these hybrid Morgans, a Morgan horse has characteristics that define it and show its its breed-type. Despite the rich owner and trainer cliques, the Morgan Horse's special qualities remain in tact AND RESURGE rapidly when/if breeding to type resumes. We fully expect the Morgan to absorb the conformational flaws and that came with this injudicious outcrossing, and reassert its basic hardy and valuable nature. When Justin Morgan, or "Figure" the horse was alive, he couldn't breed to any Morgans: there were none. He was bred to anyone who paid the stud fee. Battell's first Morgan Horse register required a percentage of 30% or more Justin Morgan blood. AMHA has one of those original books (of which only fourteen purportedly survive), because we gave it to them. That foundation stallion, and his ability to produce a smarter, stronger, more versatile horse, is alive today in Morgan Horses everywhere, and eventually today's concerned breed lovers will be proud of their horse as he was in history, as he is today, and as he will be tomorrow. Good luck, guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.222.200 ( talk) 19:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly comment: I have no idea how to use Wikipedia, so I'll figure out how to upload photos, and where you'd like the photos uploaded (hints would be nice) and their attributions and copyright holders; I'll even request permission for uses if the photos aren't taken by us and ask other photographers under what conditions they'll allow use. As for the documents I referenced, those are extant documents published the breed Journal, The Morgan horse Magazine; some from UVM's historical records.I believe I can get those for you. The photo to my eye that is most offensive photo is of the show horse who's standing ankles together -- demonstrating that it is base narrow, a dangerous conformation flaw in any breed. I'll find a similar photo to substitute; as for other photos, as I say, we have thousands, of Morgans of all breeding and ages. I'd rather give a selection of photos with acceptable breed type and no obvious conformational flaws, and let you choose what you like. It will take me some time to figure out where to upload, and how many I can upload. And I will take on the job finding documents or sourcing documents that meet your criteria. I believe the documents I referenced can all be acquired by me for forwarding to you with a bit of effort on my part. Where I have printed documents from primary or secondary sources such as The Morgan Horse Magazine (breed journal), I'll cite and upload quotes. However, don't expect these very soon. Without further guidance, I'll upload to this page or to some page where you want photos to choose from. I am hoping not to join any group, but simply provide some useful information. if you feel that because we once owned Morgans, we are inappropriate helpers, let me know and I'll leave you to it.
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