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7 Summers has yet to be released to any radio format so surely it must be listed as a promotional single for now then? Yeehaw45 ( talk) 15:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit removing the paragraph on Wallen's Tuscaloosa partying during COVID. The justification for removal was "That information is irrelevant". As far as I can tell, this paragraph was reliably sourced, and considering that the events were covered prominently in reliable sources (enough that Googling his name brings up several articles related to the incident on the first page) I believe that this paragraph is WP:DUE and satisfies WP:V. SreySros ( talk) 21:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Acousmana, Yeehaw45, and VersaceSpace:, please discuss the dispute over the lead here rather than in edit summaries.
The dispute seems to hinge on whether to include while intoxicated
. Looking at the refs in the body for the incident:
For the second time I have removed a reference to the subject of this article being "inebriated" or "intoxicated" at the time he was videoed saying a racial slur. Let there be no mistake; Wikipedia is clear on this subject. Unless there is a statement of fact of intoxication published by a reputable source, it cannot be included in this article. People making assumptions does not meet Wikipedia policy. It clearly has the potential for a libel suit. This subject, like every other person, has rights that cannot be violated. Do not return that reference to this article unless it meets the standard I have stated above which is a direct reflection of Wikipedia policy. Please see WP:WHYCITE which clearly states "In particular, sources are required for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged – if reliable sources cannot be found for challenged material, it is likely to be removed from the article." God bless and happy editing. MarydaleEd ( talk) 01:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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Wallen did not say "nigger" he said "nigga" 170.253.193.22 ( talk) 04:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
As is typical for me, I cannot pop over to an article and make a couple of edits without getting frustrated with the state of the entire article and deciding to edit the whole thing. This article is no different. The amount of media online about this subject is staggering. However, the article has the kind of problems that come from well-meaning editors who are hobbyists. I thank the Lord for them since they make up the majority of people who give us Wikipedia articles, but they usually leave a trail of errors that must be corrected. I am working on this article and have gotten down to "2020-present: Dangerous" but am exhausted and must complete my work here when time permits. I have made many changes that might frustrate fans of this person, but I want to assure them that my interest in this subject, whom I'd never heard of until his SNL faux pas, is only as a professional editor with more than 35 years experience. My sole goal is to bring this article into proper Wikipedia standard. I look forward to completing the project soon. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 01:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Regarding changing the offensive word Wallen said to instead referencing a “racial slur," the edit history of this article will show there has been a lot of back-and-forth with that word. One very kind editor came to my Talk page and questioned my edit in returning it to “racial slur.“ To save editors the trouble of going over to my Talk page, I have pasted herein the contents of that conversation that will explain Wikipedia policy on the matter:
"removed offensive language. It is against Wikipedia policy to use racially offensive language, even if it was used by a subject in an article."What policy are you referring to? The only one that I'm aware of that seems related is WP:NOTCENSORED. Schazjmd (talk) 01:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe the pertinent phrase here is "…and no equally suitable alternative is available." Also, in MOS:VULGAR, we find"Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission encompasses the inclusion of material that may offend. Wikipedia is not censored. However, offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner. Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers[nb 1] should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available."
Replacing the word Wallen said with language that specifies he used a racial slur does not diminish the article's meaning or make the article less accurate or relevant. Given the entirety of valuable things that Wallen lost in response to his racial slur, including the organizations that closed their doors to him, the reader can easily infer what word was used, and if the reader is still somehow in doubt, the reader can find the specific word anywhere on the Internet, especially in the video itself, which is available on the Internet ad nauseam. Perhaps it is important to mention now that Wikipedia is not meant to be an exhaustive exegesis of its articles' subjects. Wikipedia exists to provide a summary of its subjects using encyclopedia style. I’m glad I had the opportunity to clear this up. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 16:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)"However, language that is vulgar, obscene, or profane should be used only if its omission would make an article less accurate or relevant, and if there is no non-obscene alternative."
I hope this provides some clarity. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 17:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
References
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Stand Alone(EP Mogan Wallen). The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 2#Stand Alone(EP Mogan Wallen) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Hog Farm
Talk
06:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Qualifying Morgan Wallen as a far-right white supremacist with just the argument that once in his life he pronounced a racial slur while drunk with his friends seems a little rushed to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:89D:8320:803A:AF4B:8F0:3DEC ( talk) 09:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Nadia, no one cares what you think, especially after you blocked a based Keemstar-pilled dude named Jason on TikTok. Please lay off the weed and Nazi Porsche 911 71.94.157.155 ( talk) 09:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
He is the Nick Fuentes of country singers and people will be chanting, "GAS MY SHOES!" at his concert while Kyle Rittenhouse and Greta Thunberg both are invited 71.94.157.155 ( talk) 09:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Oops, already discussed at Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
Some edits in the page history have changed the word " nigger" to " nigga", which according to the respective Wikipedia articles have slightly different nuances. Presumably the intent is to portray a less offensive variant of the word, in that it is often co-opted by some black communities for use among themselves (not that Wallen is a member of any of them). Two of the sources I've looked at are a YouTube video, which unfortunately bleeps out the word, and the Vulture account [1], which refers to "N-word (hard -er)". So can the Wikipedia community agree which rendition of the word should be used in this section of the article? signed, Willondon 21:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
References
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 6 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Colin Denny (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Colin Denny ( talk) 20:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not understanding why it's mentioning that he wasn't adhering to Covid protocol? Just because he wasn't wearing a mask? At last year's Superbowl between the Rams and Bengals, several celebrities and fans also were maskless. On each one of those pages, it mentions nothing about Covid protocol. LeBron James, Chris Tucker, Jennifer Lopez, Ben Affleck, Charlize Theron, Matt Damon and more were caught on camera without face coverings. Search any of their pages. They went maskless to the Superbowl in California, when it was required to wear a mask. So I don't get why nothing on their Wikipedia pages mentions this "controversy" yet Morgan Wallen's page mentions this. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. 2600:6C40:7F3F:B400:E4BB:18FA:2584:4F1F ( talk) 08:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
It’s A Group Of Morgan Wallen, Bailey Zimmerman, HARDY, And ERNEST JimmyChill123 ( talk) 23:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
In my slight involvement with Morgan's article, I've always been someone who defended sticking to the source provided that Vulture claimed he used a "hard -er", rather than an "-a" ("nigga", solely for purposes of clarity). I saw a recent reversion of this material in my watchlist and believed it to be nothing new, but I did notice that an IP did try to provide evidence, though improperly in their edit summary. Is it possible we could represent both sides in the article, saying one publication/person claimed something different? The source in question: [1] dannymusiceditor oops 19:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change the "er" on the N word to "a". Morgan actually used the N word in its trendy form that society currently accepts to be ok. Srdavid75 ( talk) 11:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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if you want to keep the racial epitaph part of the biography that's fine but if the page is going to quote the word he said please quote the correct word and phrase he was saying. please review the TMZ Video for reference. 156.98.237.125 ( talk) 16:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Jason Isbell wrote the song Cover Me Up, he was not just "The Original Singer." 75.117.203.225 ( talk) 02:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Is this able to be changed? The photo quality has noticeably been placed through some sort of AI upscaling program (considering the quality of the face vs. the rest of the image). Jd4survivor ( talk) 03:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Probably needs an additional source that confirms the use of "nigger", see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources "There is consensus that New York magazine, including its subsidiary website Vulture, is generally reliable. There is no consensus on whether it is generally reliable for contentious statements." -- FMSky ( talk) 00:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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7 Summers has yet to be released to any radio format so surely it must be listed as a promotional single for now then? Yeehaw45 ( talk) 15:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I recently reverted an edit removing the paragraph on Wallen's Tuscaloosa partying during COVID. The justification for removal was "That information is irrelevant". As far as I can tell, this paragraph was reliably sourced, and considering that the events were covered prominently in reliable sources (enough that Googling his name brings up several articles related to the incident on the first page) I believe that this paragraph is WP:DUE and satisfies WP:V. SreySros ( talk) 21:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Acousmana, Yeehaw45, and VersaceSpace:, please discuss the dispute over the lead here rather than in edit summaries.
The dispute seems to hinge on whether to include while intoxicated
. Looking at the refs in the body for the incident:
For the second time I have removed a reference to the subject of this article being "inebriated" or "intoxicated" at the time he was videoed saying a racial slur. Let there be no mistake; Wikipedia is clear on this subject. Unless there is a statement of fact of intoxication published by a reputable source, it cannot be included in this article. People making assumptions does not meet Wikipedia policy. It clearly has the potential for a libel suit. This subject, like every other person, has rights that cannot be violated. Do not return that reference to this article unless it meets the standard I have stated above which is a direct reflection of Wikipedia policy. Please see WP:WHYCITE which clearly states "In particular, sources are required for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged – if reliable sources cannot be found for challenged material, it is likely to be removed from the article." God bless and happy editing. MarydaleEd ( talk) 01:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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Wallen did not say "nigger" he said "nigga" 170.253.193.22 ( talk) 04:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
As is typical for me, I cannot pop over to an article and make a couple of edits without getting frustrated with the state of the entire article and deciding to edit the whole thing. This article is no different. The amount of media online about this subject is staggering. However, the article has the kind of problems that come from well-meaning editors who are hobbyists. I thank the Lord for them since they make up the majority of people who give us Wikipedia articles, but they usually leave a trail of errors that must be corrected. I am working on this article and have gotten down to "2020-present: Dangerous" but am exhausted and must complete my work here when time permits. I have made many changes that might frustrate fans of this person, but I want to assure them that my interest in this subject, whom I'd never heard of until his SNL faux pas, is only as a professional editor with more than 35 years experience. My sole goal is to bring this article into proper Wikipedia standard. I look forward to completing the project soon. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 01:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Regarding changing the offensive word Wallen said to instead referencing a “racial slur," the edit history of this article will show there has been a lot of back-and-forth with that word. One very kind editor came to my Talk page and questioned my edit in returning it to “racial slur.“ To save editors the trouble of going over to my Talk page, I have pasted herein the contents of that conversation that will explain Wikipedia policy on the matter:
"removed offensive language. It is against Wikipedia policy to use racially offensive language, even if it was used by a subject in an article."What policy are you referring to? The only one that I'm aware of that seems related is WP:NOTCENSORED. Schazjmd (talk) 01:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe the pertinent phrase here is "…and no equally suitable alternative is available." Also, in MOS:VULGAR, we find"Wikipedia's encyclopedic mission encompasses the inclusion of material that may offend. Wikipedia is not censored. However, offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner. Material that would be considered vulgar or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers[nb 1] should be used if and only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available."
Replacing the word Wallen said with language that specifies he used a racial slur does not diminish the article's meaning or make the article less accurate or relevant. Given the entirety of valuable things that Wallen lost in response to his racial slur, including the organizations that closed their doors to him, the reader can easily infer what word was used, and if the reader is still somehow in doubt, the reader can find the specific word anywhere on the Internet, especially in the video itself, which is available on the Internet ad nauseam. Perhaps it is important to mention now that Wikipedia is not meant to be an exhaustive exegesis of its articles' subjects. Wikipedia exists to provide a summary of its subjects using encyclopedia style. I’m glad I had the opportunity to clear this up. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 16:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)"However, language that is vulgar, obscene, or profane should be used only if its omission would make an article less accurate or relevant, and if there is no non-obscene alternative."
I hope this provides some clarity. God bless and happy editing! MarydaleEd ( talk) 17:30, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
References
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Stand Alone(EP Mogan Wallen). The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 2#Stand Alone(EP Mogan Wallen) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Hog Farm
Talk
06:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Qualifying Morgan Wallen as a far-right white supremacist with just the argument that once in his life he pronounced a racial slur while drunk with his friends seems a little rushed to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:89D:8320:803A:AF4B:8F0:3DEC ( talk) 09:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Nadia, no one cares what you think, especially after you blocked a based Keemstar-pilled dude named Jason on TikTok. Please lay off the weed and Nazi Porsche 911 71.94.157.155 ( talk) 09:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
He is the Nick Fuentes of country singers and people will be chanting, "GAS MY SHOES!" at his concert while Kyle Rittenhouse and Greta Thunberg both are invited 71.94.157.155 ( talk) 09:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Oops, already discussed at Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021
Some edits in the page history have changed the word " nigger" to " nigga", which according to the respective Wikipedia articles have slightly different nuances. Presumably the intent is to portray a less offensive variant of the word, in that it is often co-opted by some black communities for use among themselves (not that Wallen is a member of any of them). Two of the sources I've looked at are a YouTube video, which unfortunately bleeps out the word, and the Vulture account [1], which refers to "N-word (hard -er)". So can the Wikipedia community agree which rendition of the word should be used in this section of the article? signed, Willondon 21:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
References
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 6 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Colin Denny (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Colin Denny ( talk) 20:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm not understanding why it's mentioning that he wasn't adhering to Covid protocol? Just because he wasn't wearing a mask? At last year's Superbowl between the Rams and Bengals, several celebrities and fans also were maskless. On each one of those pages, it mentions nothing about Covid protocol. LeBron James, Chris Tucker, Jennifer Lopez, Ben Affleck, Charlize Theron, Matt Damon and more were caught on camera without face coverings. Search any of their pages. They went maskless to the Superbowl in California, when it was required to wear a mask. So I don't get why nothing on their Wikipedia pages mentions this "controversy" yet Morgan Wallen's page mentions this. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. 2600:6C40:7F3F:B400:E4BB:18FA:2584:4F1F ( talk) 08:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
It’s A Group Of Morgan Wallen, Bailey Zimmerman, HARDY, And ERNEST JimmyChill123 ( talk) 23:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
In my slight involvement with Morgan's article, I've always been someone who defended sticking to the source provided that Vulture claimed he used a "hard -er", rather than an "-a" ("nigga", solely for purposes of clarity). I saw a recent reversion of this material in my watchlist and believed it to be nothing new, but I did notice that an IP did try to provide evidence, though improperly in their edit summary. Is it possible we could represent both sides in the article, saying one publication/person claimed something different? The source in question: [1] dannymusiceditor oops 19:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change the "er" on the N word to "a". Morgan actually used the N word in its trendy form that society currently accepts to be ok. Srdavid75 ( talk) 11:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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if you want to keep the racial epitaph part of the biography that's fine but if the page is going to quote the word he said please quote the correct word and phrase he was saying. please review the TMZ Video for reference. 156.98.237.125 ( talk) 16:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Jason Isbell wrote the song Cover Me Up, he was not just "The Original Singer." 75.117.203.225 ( talk) 02:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Is this able to be changed? The photo quality has noticeably been placed through some sort of AI upscaling program (considering the quality of the face vs. the rest of the image). Jd4survivor ( talk) 03:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Probably needs an additional source that confirms the use of "nigger", see /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources "There is consensus that New York magazine, including its subsidiary website Vulture, is generally reliable. There is no consensus on whether it is generally reliable for contentious statements." -- FMSky ( talk) 00:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)