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I disagree with the element of the article which claims that in a morality play, personificaions of moral attributes attempt to persuade a man towards a more 'Godly' life rather than an evil one, as in actual fact, there will be personifications of both positive and negative (e.g the seven deadly sins) moral values, which will battle to claim the mans soul.
Perhaps something could be mentioned about the usage of "morality plays" to mean socially-conscious allegories and not just religious plays. The old EC Comics would be a good example, also film noir. I agree with the above, the article leaves out the dialectics involved, the contradictions and the struggles. JBDay 19:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a line in this articles that says: "the discrediting of the Catholic belief that during holy communion the sacramental bread does not actually become Jesus’ physical body". Paring this out: "discrediting the belief that it does not become". By this line alone, it would seem that Catholics believe the bread does not become the physical body, whereas Protestants believe that the bread does become the physical body. Since my understanding of these two is exactly backwards of this line (Catholics believe it does become the body, Protestants believe it doesn't), I think the line needs to be rewritten to accurately show the idea it is meant to convey. Maybe using Transubstantiation as a link would help. Kilyle ( talk) 02:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
A historical meme so lacking in dates is also lacking in credibility, not least because a number of dogmatic changes in this area occurred. The term mediaeval, for example, is now generally taken a preceding 1400, although a certain amount of latitude into the fifteenth century to butt up to the rise of the Renaissance is recognised by the term Late Mediaeval, running from the end of feudalism in the Black Death to the rise of the Renaissance. I focus on this period as also being that of the rise of a more morbid sense of sin and evil, expressed in forms such as the Dance of Death. The heyday of the Morality play strictly speaking is the tail end of the fifteenth century running into the sixteenth. The sense is very Renaissance, having abandoned much of the pre-Christian symbolism of the Mystery plays. The term mediaeval is therefore a serious misnomer, semantically, culturally, and chronologically. Some specific dates for specific works might help: permit me to float 'Mankind' whose references to certain coinage make it after 1470, and 'Everyman' dating from around 1520. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.17.249 ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
After reformation, all authors became protestants? Or is it about British literature only? 79.117.89.149 ( talk) 21:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
"The means of redemption, according to the philosophy embedded in post-Reformation morality plays, is dependent upon the audience understanding the truthfulness of Protestant theology and verses and also the deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology, whose best example is the secular play of Calderón. [15]"
This last clause is rather obscure or even cryptic. Does it eventually mean that Calderon's secular plays are best examples of the "deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology"? (And then why just his secular plays? And why this digression? It would of course be useful in case the Protestant morality plays and their public knew Calderon's works and referred to them, but does the author want to maintain this?)
Or does it, on the contrary, mean that Calderon, a pious Catholic in his autos sacramentales, used his secular plays as a means to reveal the "deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology"? This would need a far more detailed explanation! Does the author know that "probabilism" was in no way un-Catholic but was a mainstream position in Catholic moral theology? Rheinvolk ( talk) 09:46, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Moved from the article itself: Thank you to those who contributed to this article.
I disagree with the element of the article which claims that in a morality play, personificaions of moral attributes attempt to persuade a man towards a more 'Godly' life rather than an evil one, as in actual fact, there will be personifications of both positive and negative (e.g the seven deadly sins) moral values, which will battle to claim the mans soul.
Perhaps something could be mentioned about the usage of "morality plays" to mean socially-conscious allegories and not just religious plays. The old EC Comics would be a good example, also film noir. I agree with the above, the article leaves out the dialectics involved, the contradictions and the struggles. JBDay 19:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a line in this articles that says: "the discrediting of the Catholic belief that during holy communion the sacramental bread does not actually become Jesus’ physical body". Paring this out: "discrediting the belief that it does not become". By this line alone, it would seem that Catholics believe the bread does not become the physical body, whereas Protestants believe that the bread does become the physical body. Since my understanding of these two is exactly backwards of this line (Catholics believe it does become the body, Protestants believe it doesn't), I think the line needs to be rewritten to accurately show the idea it is meant to convey. Maybe using Transubstantiation as a link would help. Kilyle ( talk) 02:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
A historical meme so lacking in dates is also lacking in credibility, not least because a number of dogmatic changes in this area occurred. The term mediaeval, for example, is now generally taken a preceding 1400, although a certain amount of latitude into the fifteenth century to butt up to the rise of the Renaissance is recognised by the term Late Mediaeval, running from the end of feudalism in the Black Death to the rise of the Renaissance. I focus on this period as also being that of the rise of a more morbid sense of sin and evil, expressed in forms such as the Dance of Death. The heyday of the Morality play strictly speaking is the tail end of the fifteenth century running into the sixteenth. The sense is very Renaissance, having abandoned much of the pre-Christian symbolism of the Mystery plays. The term mediaeval is therefore a serious misnomer, semantically, culturally, and chronologically. Some specific dates for specific works might help: permit me to float 'Mankind' whose references to certain coinage make it after 1470, and 'Everyman' dating from around 1520. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.17.249 ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
After reformation, all authors became protestants? Or is it about British literature only? 79.117.89.149 ( talk) 21:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
"The means of redemption, according to the philosophy embedded in post-Reformation morality plays, is dependent upon the audience understanding the truthfulness of Protestant theology and verses and also the deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology, whose best example is the secular play of Calderón. [15]"
This last clause is rather obscure or even cryptic. Does it eventually mean that Calderon's secular plays are best examples of the "deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology"? (And then why just his secular plays? And why this digression? It would of course be useful in case the Protestant morality plays and their public knew Calderon's works and referred to them, but does the author want to maintain this?)
Or does it, on the contrary, mean that Calderon, a pious Catholic in his autos sacramentales, used his secular plays as a means to reveal the "deceptiveness and wickedness of Catholic theology"? This would need a far more detailed explanation! Does the author know that "probabilism" was in no way un-Catholic but was a mainstream position in Catholic moral theology? Rheinvolk ( talk) 09:46, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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