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... does this conspiracy nonsense have to do with the subject of the article?
"He also plays the stock market the day before to make a huge profit from the planned disaster--a possible "revelation of the method" from Ian Fleming in 1955 of the stock market short-selling centered around the infamous, Nazi-created Deutsche Bank days before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in northern Virginia." 84.161.98.155 ( talk) 20:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
No idea why a plot correction I made was undone, but I've corrected it again. Relevant text from the novel: It was a simple plan. In the evening, two of my men, one in American uniform and one in British, were to drive up in a captured scout car containing two tons of explosive. There was a car park-no sentries of course-near the mess hall and they were to run the car in as close to the mess hall as possible, time the fuse for the seven o'clock dinner hour, and then get away. All quite easy and I went off that morning on my own business and left the job to my second in command I was dressed in the uniform of your Signal Corps and I set off on a captured British motor-cycle to shoot a dispatch rider from the same unit who made a daily run along a near-by road. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.32.110.173 ( talk) 00:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I will not have internet access next week (until Oct 2nd), but I will sort out any issues you may have from that time on. Cheers - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 10:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Laurencebeck, it appears that you are trying to add material that two people have now questioned. Perhaps we should discuss this here, rather than see a continual reversion cycle? I have looked at the Fergus Fleming source, as well as the Chancellor one, and yes, one capitalises the word Metropolis and one does not: that does not appear to be a major discrepancy, although it is mildly annoying for us. What neither source refers to is Fritz Lang or the film Metropolis, so I am unsure how or why you decided that the use of a capital letter leads automatically to this conclusion. Finally, I see that you also introduced American punctuation (using 'metropolis idiom,"' is wrong here), and an inconsistent referencing style – the article appears to use the {{sfn}} system for books. - The Bounder ( talk) 10:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
~>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you, Ian Rose . . . . . The Fleming accepted authoritative Andrem Lycett biography gives the upper case M to Metropolis on this page: click > in the old Metropolis idiom < (phrase containing *Metropolis towards end of page)
It certainly is *meaningless without the upper case M. But there to be seen is the *authority of Lycett, his authority in the use of the upper case M.
Fleming, born 28 May 1908, was 18 years and 10 months old when *Metropolis first screened at the Marble Arch Pavilion on March 21, 1927. Here is a whole *blog on it: http://www.peterharrington.co.uk/blog/metropolis/ . . . Certainly an indelible experience for the culturally alert.
The upper case M can be returned (with the authority of Lycett) by he or she among those who would want the best for the page.
Of course it is certain, but "not *unequivocally there," that the reference is to Lang's 1927 Metropolis; and it is satisfying for me, and whoever else enjoys seeing the history within culturally developing situations, to have the detail of information. -- Laurencebeck ( talk) 01:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
From
Laurencebeck (
talk) on published capitalization of *Metropolis :
The *capitalization of Metropolis is in Lycett, this page >
". .in the old Metropolis idiom." _ Lycett
and in the published letters, this page >
". .in the old Metropolis idiom." _ letters
Wikipedia can use the quote from the Fleming letter, 1953, "for some wonderful film settings in the old Metropolis idiom" with perfect safety as the capitalization being perfectly authoritative.
In the letter Fleming is setting a concept of production design, notably in the idiom of the 1927 Fritz Lang film "Metropolis", for a film that would be made, in the contemporary sense (1953) from his book, yet to be written, "Moonraker".
He is writing to a European film maker, based in England, who would understand immediately what was meant by "the old Metropolis idiom". But that understanding cannot be verified at present to satisfy Wikipedia's rules of publication.
It is almost a vital piece of understanding into how the formula for the Bond films evolved from a very moment of genesis.-- Laurencebeck ( talk) 11:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
From
Laurencebeck (
talk) on coincidence of titles in works of Fleming and Lang :
Fleming's
You Only Live Twice (publication 1964) could yet be drawing a bow towards
Fritz Lang. Certainly not too long a one but there is the 1937 film of Lang's
You Only Live Once. While the Lang reference in 1953 was in private correspondence, here there might very well be a public nudge towards the famed filmmaking pioneer.--
Laurencebeck (
talk) 21:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
While I appreciate that Amis brought up the question of how M could afford membership of the club, is it worth noting at such length, if at all? If one drew the comparison, the Wikipedia biography of the real head of MI6 in 1952, Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, begins with the statement “Stewart Graham Menzies was born in England in 1890 into an immensely wealthy family…” Surely therefore it is implicit that M is a member of such a club or clubs not based on whether the salary of the head of MI6, but because he was otherwise a rich man, drawn from the ranks of the establishment, as many of the ruling classes would have been? Jock123 ( talk) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@ SchroCat: Why did you revert my changes? I changed things that were factually wrong. For example Brand was not captured by Krebs. She picked Drax's pocket unseen while the three of them were alone in a car and Krebs only saw her trying to put the notebook back. IvicaInsomniac ( talk) 00:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Moonraker (novel) was copied or moved into Moonraker (film) with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
... does this conspiracy nonsense have to do with the subject of the article?
"He also plays the stock market the day before to make a huge profit from the planned disaster--a possible "revelation of the method" from Ian Fleming in 1955 of the stock market short-selling centered around the infamous, Nazi-created Deutsche Bank days before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in northern Virginia." 84.161.98.155 ( talk) 20:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
No idea why a plot correction I made was undone, but I've corrected it again. Relevant text from the novel: It was a simple plan. In the evening, two of my men, one in American uniform and one in British, were to drive up in a captured scout car containing two tons of explosive. There was a car park-no sentries of course-near the mess hall and they were to run the car in as close to the mess hall as possible, time the fuse for the seven o'clock dinner hour, and then get away. All quite easy and I went off that morning on my own business and left the job to my second in command I was dressed in the uniform of your Signal Corps and I set off on a captured British motor-cycle to shoot a dispatch rider from the same unit who made a daily run along a near-by road. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.32.110.173 ( talk) 00:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I will not have internet access next week (until Oct 2nd), but I will sort out any issues you may have from that time on. Cheers - SchroCat ( ^ • @) 10:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Laurencebeck, it appears that you are trying to add material that two people have now questioned. Perhaps we should discuss this here, rather than see a continual reversion cycle? I have looked at the Fergus Fleming source, as well as the Chancellor one, and yes, one capitalises the word Metropolis and one does not: that does not appear to be a major discrepancy, although it is mildly annoying for us. What neither source refers to is Fritz Lang or the film Metropolis, so I am unsure how or why you decided that the use of a capital letter leads automatically to this conclusion. Finally, I see that you also introduced American punctuation (using 'metropolis idiom,"' is wrong here), and an inconsistent referencing style – the article appears to use the {{sfn}} system for books. - The Bounder ( talk) 10:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
~>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you, Ian Rose . . . . . The Fleming accepted authoritative Andrem Lycett biography gives the upper case M to Metropolis on this page: click > in the old Metropolis idiom < (phrase containing *Metropolis towards end of page)
It certainly is *meaningless without the upper case M. But there to be seen is the *authority of Lycett, his authority in the use of the upper case M.
Fleming, born 28 May 1908, was 18 years and 10 months old when *Metropolis first screened at the Marble Arch Pavilion on March 21, 1927. Here is a whole *blog on it: http://www.peterharrington.co.uk/blog/metropolis/ . . . Certainly an indelible experience for the culturally alert.
The upper case M can be returned (with the authority of Lycett) by he or she among those who would want the best for the page.
Of course it is certain, but "not *unequivocally there," that the reference is to Lang's 1927 Metropolis; and it is satisfying for me, and whoever else enjoys seeing the history within culturally developing situations, to have the detail of information. -- Laurencebeck ( talk) 01:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
From
Laurencebeck (
talk) on published capitalization of *Metropolis :
The *capitalization of Metropolis is in Lycett, this page >
". .in the old Metropolis idiom." _ Lycett
and in the published letters, this page >
". .in the old Metropolis idiom." _ letters
Wikipedia can use the quote from the Fleming letter, 1953, "for some wonderful film settings in the old Metropolis idiom" with perfect safety as the capitalization being perfectly authoritative.
In the letter Fleming is setting a concept of production design, notably in the idiom of the 1927 Fritz Lang film "Metropolis", for a film that would be made, in the contemporary sense (1953) from his book, yet to be written, "Moonraker".
He is writing to a European film maker, based in England, who would understand immediately what was meant by "the old Metropolis idiom". But that understanding cannot be verified at present to satisfy Wikipedia's rules of publication.
It is almost a vital piece of understanding into how the formula for the Bond films evolved from a very moment of genesis.-- Laurencebeck ( talk) 11:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
From
Laurencebeck (
talk) on coincidence of titles in works of Fleming and Lang :
Fleming's
You Only Live Twice (publication 1964) could yet be drawing a bow towards
Fritz Lang. Certainly not too long a one but there is the 1937 film of Lang's
You Only Live Once. While the Lang reference in 1953 was in private correspondence, here there might very well be a public nudge towards the famed filmmaking pioneer.--
Laurencebeck (
talk) 21:05, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
While I appreciate that Amis brought up the question of how M could afford membership of the club, is it worth noting at such length, if at all? If one drew the comparison, the Wikipedia biography of the real head of MI6 in 1952, Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, begins with the statement “Stewart Graham Menzies was born in England in 1890 into an immensely wealthy family…” Surely therefore it is implicit that M is a member of such a club or clubs not based on whether the salary of the head of MI6, but because he was otherwise a rich man, drawn from the ranks of the establishment, as many of the ruling classes would have been? Jock123 ( talk) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@ SchroCat: Why did you revert my changes? I changed things that were factually wrong. For example Brand was not captured by Krebs. She picked Drax's pocket unseen while the three of them were alone in a car and Krebs only saw her trying to put the notebook back. IvicaInsomniac ( talk) 00:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)