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Is just me or the introduction in wikipedia in spanish is better than the actual:
Las acusaciones de falsificación en los alunizajes del Programa Apolo constituyen una teoría de conspiración que afirma que los alunizajes del programa Apolo jamás ocurrieron, sino que fueron falsificados por la NASA. Prácticamente todos los científicos, técnicos e interesados en la historia de la exploración espacial han rechazado estas afirmaciones calificándolas de infundadas y de no poseer carácter científico alguno [1] . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.51.175.73 ( talk) 18:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The section "Apollo hoax in popular culture and parody" is causing so many problems that I think we should either delete it or move it to its own article. Bubba73 (talk), 04:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this would be appropriate. As the title is, "Apollo Moon Landing hoax accusations," it leads you to believe the article is about hoax accusations and the people who are/have made them. Instead it's seems to be more of a line-by-line dismissal of those accusations. It's one of the most biased articles I've seen on Wikipedia. It's really no wonder that the pro-hoaxters have all but abandoned it. This article treats their point of view so poorly that it completely misses the point of the title. If I'm looking for "Apollo Moon Hoax Accusations" (just the word "Accusation" clues the reader that the article is probably going to be dismissive or excessively critical of the subject... "Apollo Hoax Conspiracy" would be more neutral), I'm interested in those accusations. I know it's a minority perspective, but that's exactly why I'm reading it. At that point, I'm not interested in "Responses to Apollo Moon Landing Hoax Accusations" or "Evidence Debunking Moon Landing Hoax". Those responses should either be given it's own article or at the very least, a separate section. Wikipedia isn't a soapbox. It's a source of information. If I'm reading, "History of Medicine," I'm not looking for a line-by-line essay on why why medications don't work or why modern medicine is flawed. If it's "Astronomy in Ancient Mesopotamia," I'm not looking for a article detailing why ancient astronomers were wrong about the way the universe works.
In reading through the article, I think a more appropriate title would be something like, "Why I think Anyone Who Doesn't Believe We Landed On The Moon Is An Idiot", because that's exactly what this article conveys. In reality it should be completely rewritten. This article is seething with contempt. You're writing about someone else's reasoning and understanding. Be respectful. You may not agree, but you've taken on the responsibility to describe their perspective. Ynpragne ( talk) 03:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynpragne ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree. "theories" would be more neutral than the hostile "accusations". ʄ!• ¿talk? 08:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way can an admin or somebody change the capital letters in "Moon" & "Landing" to lower case?
It doesn't look right, thanks.
ʄ!•
¿talk?
08:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
At present, the article is still quite biased against Nasa. At present it has a "motives for a hoax" speculating hypothetical reasons why Nasa would want to have a hoax, but there is no corresponding "Motives to claim a hoax" section questioning the motives of those who insist that a hoax has happened. Algr ( talk) 07:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, Ynpragne, a person must be an idiot to believe the Moon landing was faked. All points made by any person who believes it have been disproved with evidence and logic. No one in their right mind could possible believe the Moon landing was faked after they look at the facts. The reason people do believe it is the horribly biased and fact-smeared FOX special on the conspiracy theory. So-called "experts" were called it to support "evidence" of the "hoax." It was so smeared, I could see that any person who believes what they see on T.V. as fact could believe it, but no one should. This article shows the reasons people "believe" the hoax and then disproves them with facts, evidence, and logic. Not biased, at least in that respect. It is biased against NASA in the respect that Algr notes. PokeHomsar ( talk) 01:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"Well, Ynpragne, a person must be an idiot to believe the Moon landing was faked. All points made by any person who believes it have been disproved with evidence and logic." I'm not sure how to even respond (although I'm the one who threw in the word, "idiot"... so I was asking for that). It's obvious that some people have questions and those questions haven't been answered to their satifaction. Disproved with evidence and logic? To your satifaction perhaps, to someone else there might never be enough evidence to convince them... and it certainly isn't going to happen on Wikipedia and Wikipedia really isn't the place for it. Anyway there is far too much material in this article who singular purpose seems to be to prove, not that the moon land wasn't a hoax, but that all of those who believe it aren't in their right minds.
Example: "The Apollo Moon landing hoax accusations have been the subject of debunking and, according to the debunkers, have been falsified. An article in the German magazine Der Spiegel places the Moon hoax in the context of other well-known 20th century conspiracy theories which it describes as "the rarefied atmosphere of those myths in which Elvis is alive, John F. Kennedy fell victim to a conspiracy involving the Mafia and secret service agents, the Moon landing was staged in the Nevada desert, and Princess Diana was murdered by the British intelligence services."[23]"
First of all, in the first sentence, is it saying that the debunkers are saying the "accusations" were falsified? That doesn't really make any sense. Maybe the evidence presented was falsified, but the accusations? Immediately after this is a quotation from an opinion piece from a magazine comparing the moon hoax theory to a number of other conspiracy theories. Why is this here, except to invalidate this perspective without any evidence. To put in in context? It could have just as easily compared the hoax theory to flat earth theory (which I'm sure many hoax proponents wouldn't agree with) or instead it could have been compared to the Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy (which has all but been proven to be valid). Ynpragne ( talk) 21:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Falsified in this context means proven to be false, not faked. -- 86.27.132.159 ( talk) 23:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Americans believe we made it to the moon. There has been no new evidence or amazing break throughs that shatter NASAs hoax nor do they prove that the moon landing was fake. In fact there is no evidence at all that the moon landing is fake. What there is are a small group of people picking apart the real evidence. Look its pretty clear that we went there, we got the proof, and in a court of law it would be enough. People from other countries on the other hand should know just from reading the title that Americans don’t take the hoaxes to seriously. It should be clear that it’s a hoax, that’s what the evidence says and so I humbly ask that the title be kept the same. Anything is possible, but you have to look at the facts. I think its important to show others who may not have resources that we have, or the education, lets just make it clear. Not a hoax. Xxsicknessxx ( talk) 01:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the first post here. This article is biased, and is mistitled. I came here looking for what the hoax theories are, not the rebuttal of those theories. The rebuttals really need their own article. -Greg K 4/1/2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.21.129 ( talk) 03:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
What's up, Doc? 04:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
(unindent) (I'm shortening the tabbing because it annoys me) Then can somebody please tell me what the fudge is " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_War_on_Terrorism" among many other articles that I won't bother searching for right now but definetly are there happily existing? I'll tell you why: because they are not neccesarily a part of a dissagreement, as it is a part of what as the page you were sending me to says is the origin of forking. What I say is right is that, for all points of view to be treated fairly, there must be an article that follows this format, but not necesarily this titles: Introduction; Historical context; Different postures of theorists; Predominant claims(with everything that should be inside); Criticism(including a link to another article and a synthesis of the content); Accusers; In popular culture. That's my idea of the organization of a good article, besides, thiss one is very long, it could have something cut of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.223.205 ( talk) 22:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I was shocked at the obvious bias present in this article and it has considerable lowered my opinion of neutrality and integrity of Wickipedia. This article gives disproportionate attention to debunking and reads as a soap box with an agenda. It is a really shameful way to get a one sided view across and should be corrected as soon as possible. I came to this section to find out about the claimed murders of the Apollo One Astronauts and was surprised by the fact that Gus Grissom's family view is not even mentioned. Nick Mollo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.75.15 ( talk) 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This is to do with the whole article not just a section of it. It should be re-written with neutrality. Shameful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Judging by this article Wikipedia has failed to meet those tenants. As for specifics I came to this article to find out what the theories concerning the Apollo missions and reliable sources have nothing to do with the Wife and Son of Gus Grissom claiming he was murdered. It is their view and a fact. I came to this article for views and opinions that cannot be justified by reliable sources. I did not expect a lengthy debunking exercise and this piece certainly not balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This will be my last comment on this poor article. As for the other articles concerning Gus Grissom, no mention is made of the families opinions concerning his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
They have been interviewed many times in print and Television saying as much. I am surprised you would not know this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The title of this article is "Apollo Moon Landing hoax conpiracy theories" so it should highlight the points that are brought up to prove the conspiracy, not highlight disproving it. I think this article is extremely one-sided, but it's just like Wiki editors to prove the popular belief and not the unpopular one (like the Jesus Tomb article). Chexmix53 ( talk) 23:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the film In the Shadow of the Moon, one of the astronauts (Collins or Aldrin, I think) refers briefly to the hoax theories by saying, in effect, "if we were going to fake it, why would we fake it six times?" I don't have a copy of the film available, so I don't have a full reference or an exact quote; if someone else could provide that, this should be in the article. (My own addendum to that would be, "and why would they fake a failed mission"? I note that there is no mention of Apollo 13 anywhere in this article.) -- Russ (talk) 17:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
What happened tothe archive here at talk? 65.26.54.207 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Needless to say, the fact that there were unmanned satellites at geostationary orbit taking photos of the Earth as early as 1967 doesn't prove anything about whether the Apollo Program was faked, but I'm genuinely curious-- where's this guy getting his information?
This one was taken from Apollo 16 (although this guy disputes that claim) http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fi160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft173%2FMichaelstmark%2FA1aboEARTHFORWINDOWDEMO.jpg&searchTerm=michael%20stmark&pageOffset=0
Here's another site that has some pictures from the mentioned satellite: http://www.donaldedavis.com/2003NEW/NEWSTUFF/DDEARTH.html
18.202.1.65 ( talk) 04:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"Theories" in the title should be capitalized as in is the last word of the title and is grammatically incorrect at the present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpc100 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Number 5 (hoax claims examined) should really be at number 3 on the page. It's what most people (myself included) would be coming to the page for. Most importantly it makes no sense to have the critiques presented before the actual theories themselves. It's like discussing the effects of some event before describing the event itself, or describing all the covers of Let it be before describing the original. Kansaikiwi ( talk) 08:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
This is not an article about "theories" in the mean sense (see WP:WTA#Theory) but it is an article about the conspiracy theories of the moonbats. So I moved the article to a better title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceApologist ( talk • contribs) 13:39, May 15, 2008
(unindent) It looks like the archived talk pages did not get moved. Bubba73 (talk), 17:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Alot of space is given to polls that is really irrelavent. Numbers can tell many different stories, but these polls do not get us anywhere closer to the truth. What someone believes and what actually happened are two very different things. The polls only verify a belief and get us no closer to discovering the truth of whether or not man landed on the moon on July 20, 1969. This section could be pared down or even eliminated without changing the article's meaning or intent. 208.254.130.235 ( talk) 18:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I remember one poll on TV Station Sarajevo, Yugoslavia. The reporter asked one women "Did any man visited the moon?". She answered "No, it was attempt to convince us that there is no God. No man can approach the God". I have seen also one letter in mystical newspaper "Tajne" published in Belgrade in 1987 where the author accused Satan for making people to believe that the mankind left the Earth. I think that such opinion is actually very wide, probably the most common motive for the hoax accusation, however, it is hard to add it to the list of suggested hoax motives, without violating NPOV or taking non-reliable sources. (I tried it in October 4th 2007, without success) Anyway, the whole topic is about speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.173.212 ( talk) 20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
This IP edit [1] claims the flag appears to wave at 2:38 into some video. It's certainly not "waving" in the video cited, so I reverted that comment. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
We say that "Hypergolic propellants happen to produce a nearly transparent exhaust", but to me that doesn't explain why there is no visible flame. Why would there be no incandescent glow from the exhaust? Shouldn't it be very hot? -- Doradus ( talk) 15:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Joe Rogan "brings up many facts to disprove the legality of the moon landing" in his comedy acts? What does that even mean? Why is it in this article? 71.56.118.116 ( talk) 19:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Dre
It is often cited (eg. in the article) that there are no stars on the photos from Apollo 11.
That's not true: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5968HR.jpg This photo was taken from the shadow of the lander, so exposure times where higher.
You can make out more than a few if you mess with the image in an editing program. I think we might be looking at Virgo and Leo, but I'm all but certain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.37.197.64 ( talk) 23:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Just to let people know about the TV program When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions, which started on Discovery channel tonight. The Apollo program is on next week, so that will be relevant to readers of this article. Bubba73 (talk), 04:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a lot of pictures down the right hand side of his section and unfortunately it extends further than the body of the text, leaving it looking a bit untidy. The pictures are important in demonstrating the points made, but I was just wondering if there was any way to tidy it up? I'm pretty new here so I don't know how to move stuff around etc so I just thought I'd bring it up. Cheers Nmcc89 ( talk) 07:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe weasel words have been used when, in the last section, the article states:
"Moon hoax proponents devote a substantial portion of their efforts to examining NASA photos. They point to various issues with photographs and films purportedly taken on the Moon. Experts in photography (even those unrelated to NASA) respond that the anomalies, while sometimes counter-intuitive, are in fact precisely what one would expect from a real Moon landing, and contrary to what would occur with manipulated or studio imagery. Hoax proponents also state that whistleblowers may have deliberately manipulated the NASA photos in hope of exposing NASA."
I believe using the phrase "Experts in ... [verb]," implies that all experts believe a certain way. I think this can be fixed by providing references to experts (with respective justification for use of appeal to authority) or by removing/changing the sentence to "A possible response is..." or something similar.
I just noticed it, and thought it might help the credibility. Thanks much.
Ha! So what have all you sceptics got to say about this damning evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEpXKdTm5k&eurl=http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=117433
SteveBaker ( talk) 01:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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Is just me or the introduction in wikipedia in spanish is better than the actual:
Las acusaciones de falsificación en los alunizajes del Programa Apolo constituyen una teoría de conspiración que afirma que los alunizajes del programa Apolo jamás ocurrieron, sino que fueron falsificados por la NASA. Prácticamente todos los científicos, técnicos e interesados en la historia de la exploración espacial han rechazado estas afirmaciones calificándolas de infundadas y de no poseer carácter científico alguno [1] . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.51.175.73 ( talk) 18:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
The section "Apollo hoax in popular culture and parody" is causing so many problems that I think we should either delete it or move it to its own article. Bubba73 (talk), 04:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this would be appropriate. As the title is, "Apollo Moon Landing hoax accusations," it leads you to believe the article is about hoax accusations and the people who are/have made them. Instead it's seems to be more of a line-by-line dismissal of those accusations. It's one of the most biased articles I've seen on Wikipedia. It's really no wonder that the pro-hoaxters have all but abandoned it. This article treats their point of view so poorly that it completely misses the point of the title. If I'm looking for "Apollo Moon Hoax Accusations" (just the word "Accusation" clues the reader that the article is probably going to be dismissive or excessively critical of the subject... "Apollo Hoax Conspiracy" would be more neutral), I'm interested in those accusations. I know it's a minority perspective, but that's exactly why I'm reading it. At that point, I'm not interested in "Responses to Apollo Moon Landing Hoax Accusations" or "Evidence Debunking Moon Landing Hoax". Those responses should either be given it's own article or at the very least, a separate section. Wikipedia isn't a soapbox. It's a source of information. If I'm reading, "History of Medicine," I'm not looking for a line-by-line essay on why why medications don't work or why modern medicine is flawed. If it's "Astronomy in Ancient Mesopotamia," I'm not looking for a article detailing why ancient astronomers were wrong about the way the universe works.
In reading through the article, I think a more appropriate title would be something like, "Why I think Anyone Who Doesn't Believe We Landed On The Moon Is An Idiot", because that's exactly what this article conveys. In reality it should be completely rewritten. This article is seething with contempt. You're writing about someone else's reasoning and understanding. Be respectful. You may not agree, but you've taken on the responsibility to describe their perspective. Ynpragne ( talk) 03:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynpragne ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree. "theories" would be more neutral than the hostile "accusations". ʄ!• ¿talk? 08:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
By the way can an admin or somebody change the capital letters in "Moon" & "Landing" to lower case?
It doesn't look right, thanks.
ʄ!•
¿talk?
08:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
At present, the article is still quite biased against Nasa. At present it has a "motives for a hoax" speculating hypothetical reasons why Nasa would want to have a hoax, but there is no corresponding "Motives to claim a hoax" section questioning the motives of those who insist that a hoax has happened. Algr ( talk) 07:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, Ynpragne, a person must be an idiot to believe the Moon landing was faked. All points made by any person who believes it have been disproved with evidence and logic. No one in their right mind could possible believe the Moon landing was faked after they look at the facts. The reason people do believe it is the horribly biased and fact-smeared FOX special on the conspiracy theory. So-called "experts" were called it to support "evidence" of the "hoax." It was so smeared, I could see that any person who believes what they see on T.V. as fact could believe it, but no one should. This article shows the reasons people "believe" the hoax and then disproves them with facts, evidence, and logic. Not biased, at least in that respect. It is biased against NASA in the respect that Algr notes. PokeHomsar ( talk) 01:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"Well, Ynpragne, a person must be an idiot to believe the Moon landing was faked. All points made by any person who believes it have been disproved with evidence and logic." I'm not sure how to even respond (although I'm the one who threw in the word, "idiot"... so I was asking for that). It's obvious that some people have questions and those questions haven't been answered to their satifaction. Disproved with evidence and logic? To your satifaction perhaps, to someone else there might never be enough evidence to convince them... and it certainly isn't going to happen on Wikipedia and Wikipedia really isn't the place for it. Anyway there is far too much material in this article who singular purpose seems to be to prove, not that the moon land wasn't a hoax, but that all of those who believe it aren't in their right minds.
Example: "The Apollo Moon landing hoax accusations have been the subject of debunking and, according to the debunkers, have been falsified. An article in the German magazine Der Spiegel places the Moon hoax in the context of other well-known 20th century conspiracy theories which it describes as "the rarefied atmosphere of those myths in which Elvis is alive, John F. Kennedy fell victim to a conspiracy involving the Mafia and secret service agents, the Moon landing was staged in the Nevada desert, and Princess Diana was murdered by the British intelligence services."[23]"
First of all, in the first sentence, is it saying that the debunkers are saying the "accusations" were falsified? That doesn't really make any sense. Maybe the evidence presented was falsified, but the accusations? Immediately after this is a quotation from an opinion piece from a magazine comparing the moon hoax theory to a number of other conspiracy theories. Why is this here, except to invalidate this perspective without any evidence. To put in in context? It could have just as easily compared the hoax theory to flat earth theory (which I'm sure many hoax proponents wouldn't agree with) or instead it could have been compared to the Gulf of Tonkin conspiracy (which has all but been proven to be valid). Ynpragne ( talk) 21:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Falsified in this context means proven to be false, not faked. -- 86.27.132.159 ( talk) 23:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Americans believe we made it to the moon. There has been no new evidence or amazing break throughs that shatter NASAs hoax nor do they prove that the moon landing was fake. In fact there is no evidence at all that the moon landing is fake. What there is are a small group of people picking apart the real evidence. Look its pretty clear that we went there, we got the proof, and in a court of law it would be enough. People from other countries on the other hand should know just from reading the title that Americans don’t take the hoaxes to seriously. It should be clear that it’s a hoax, that’s what the evidence says and so I humbly ask that the title be kept the same. Anything is possible, but you have to look at the facts. I think its important to show others who may not have resources that we have, or the education, lets just make it clear. Not a hoax. Xxsicknessxx ( talk) 01:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the first post here. This article is biased, and is mistitled. I came here looking for what the hoax theories are, not the rebuttal of those theories. The rebuttals really need their own article. -Greg K 4/1/2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.21.129 ( talk) 03:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
What's up, Doc? 04:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
(unindent) (I'm shortening the tabbing because it annoys me) Then can somebody please tell me what the fudge is " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_War_on_Terrorism" among many other articles that I won't bother searching for right now but definetly are there happily existing? I'll tell you why: because they are not neccesarily a part of a dissagreement, as it is a part of what as the page you were sending me to says is the origin of forking. What I say is right is that, for all points of view to be treated fairly, there must be an article that follows this format, but not necesarily this titles: Introduction; Historical context; Different postures of theorists; Predominant claims(with everything that should be inside); Criticism(including a link to another article and a synthesis of the content); Accusers; In popular culture. That's my idea of the organization of a good article, besides, thiss one is very long, it could have something cut of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.223.205 ( talk) 22:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I was shocked at the obvious bias present in this article and it has considerable lowered my opinion of neutrality and integrity of Wickipedia. This article gives disproportionate attention to debunking and reads as a soap box with an agenda. It is a really shameful way to get a one sided view across and should be corrected as soon as possible. I came to this section to find out about the claimed murders of the Apollo One Astronauts and was surprised by the fact that Gus Grissom's family view is not even mentioned. Nick Mollo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.75.15 ( talk) 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This is to do with the whole article not just a section of it. It should be re-written with neutrality. Shameful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 18:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Judging by this article Wikipedia has failed to meet those tenants. As for specifics I came to this article to find out what the theories concerning the Apollo missions and reliable sources have nothing to do with the Wife and Son of Gus Grissom claiming he was murdered. It is their view and a fact. I came to this article for views and opinions that cannot be justified by reliable sources. I did not expect a lengthy debunking exercise and this piece certainly not balanced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
This will be my last comment on this poor article. As for the other articles concerning Gus Grissom, no mention is made of the families opinions concerning his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
They have been interviewed many times in print and Television saying as much. I am surprised you would not know this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmollo ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The title of this article is "Apollo Moon Landing hoax conpiracy theories" so it should highlight the points that are brought up to prove the conspiracy, not highlight disproving it. I think this article is extremely one-sided, but it's just like Wiki editors to prove the popular belief and not the unpopular one (like the Jesus Tomb article). Chexmix53 ( talk) 23:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the film In the Shadow of the Moon, one of the astronauts (Collins or Aldrin, I think) refers briefly to the hoax theories by saying, in effect, "if we were going to fake it, why would we fake it six times?" I don't have a copy of the film available, so I don't have a full reference or an exact quote; if someone else could provide that, this should be in the article. (My own addendum to that would be, "and why would they fake a failed mission"? I note that there is no mention of Apollo 13 anywhere in this article.) -- Russ (talk) 17:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
What happened tothe archive here at talk? 65.26.54.207 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Needless to say, the fact that there were unmanned satellites at geostationary orbit taking photos of the Earth as early as 1967 doesn't prove anything about whether the Apollo Program was faked, but I'm genuinely curious-- where's this guy getting his information?
This one was taken from Apollo 16 (although this guy disputes that claim) http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fi160.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft173%2FMichaelstmark%2FA1aboEARTHFORWINDOWDEMO.jpg&searchTerm=michael%20stmark&pageOffset=0
Here's another site that has some pictures from the mentioned satellite: http://www.donaldedavis.com/2003NEW/NEWSTUFF/DDEARTH.html
18.202.1.65 ( talk) 04:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
"Theories" in the title should be capitalized as in is the last word of the title and is grammatically incorrect at the present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpc100 ( talk • contribs) 02:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Number 5 (hoax claims examined) should really be at number 3 on the page. It's what most people (myself included) would be coming to the page for. Most importantly it makes no sense to have the critiques presented before the actual theories themselves. It's like discussing the effects of some event before describing the event itself, or describing all the covers of Let it be before describing the original. Kansaikiwi ( talk) 08:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
This is not an article about "theories" in the mean sense (see WP:WTA#Theory) but it is an article about the conspiracy theories of the moonbats. So I moved the article to a better title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceApologist ( talk • contribs) 13:39, May 15, 2008
(unindent) It looks like the archived talk pages did not get moved. Bubba73 (talk), 17:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Alot of space is given to polls that is really irrelavent. Numbers can tell many different stories, but these polls do not get us anywhere closer to the truth. What someone believes and what actually happened are two very different things. The polls only verify a belief and get us no closer to discovering the truth of whether or not man landed on the moon on July 20, 1969. This section could be pared down or even eliminated without changing the article's meaning or intent. 208.254.130.235 ( talk) 18:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I remember one poll on TV Station Sarajevo, Yugoslavia. The reporter asked one women "Did any man visited the moon?". She answered "No, it was attempt to convince us that there is no God. No man can approach the God". I have seen also one letter in mystical newspaper "Tajne" published in Belgrade in 1987 where the author accused Satan for making people to believe that the mankind left the Earth. I think that such opinion is actually very wide, probably the most common motive for the hoax accusation, however, it is hard to add it to the list of suggested hoax motives, without violating NPOV or taking non-reliable sources. (I tried it in October 4th 2007, without success) Anyway, the whole topic is about speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.173.212 ( talk) 20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
This IP edit [1] claims the flag appears to wave at 2:38 into some video. It's certainly not "waving" in the video cited, so I reverted that comment. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
We say that "Hypergolic propellants happen to produce a nearly transparent exhaust", but to me that doesn't explain why there is no visible flame. Why would there be no incandescent glow from the exhaust? Shouldn't it be very hot? -- Doradus ( talk) 15:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Joe Rogan "brings up many facts to disprove the legality of the moon landing" in his comedy acts? What does that even mean? Why is it in this article? 71.56.118.116 ( talk) 19:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Dre
It is often cited (eg. in the article) that there are no stars on the photos from Apollo 11.
That's not true: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5968HR.jpg This photo was taken from the shadow of the lander, so exposure times where higher.
You can make out more than a few if you mess with the image in an editing program. I think we might be looking at Virgo and Leo, but I'm all but certain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.37.197.64 ( talk) 23:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Just to let people know about the TV program When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions, which started on Discovery channel tonight. The Apollo program is on next week, so that will be relevant to readers of this article. Bubba73 (talk), 04:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a lot of pictures down the right hand side of his section and unfortunately it extends further than the body of the text, leaving it looking a bit untidy. The pictures are important in demonstrating the points made, but I was just wondering if there was any way to tidy it up? I'm pretty new here so I don't know how to move stuff around etc so I just thought I'd bring it up. Cheers Nmcc89 ( talk) 07:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe weasel words have been used when, in the last section, the article states:
"Moon hoax proponents devote a substantial portion of their efforts to examining NASA photos. They point to various issues with photographs and films purportedly taken on the Moon. Experts in photography (even those unrelated to NASA) respond that the anomalies, while sometimes counter-intuitive, are in fact precisely what one would expect from a real Moon landing, and contrary to what would occur with manipulated or studio imagery. Hoax proponents also state that whistleblowers may have deliberately manipulated the NASA photos in hope of exposing NASA."
I believe using the phrase "Experts in ... [verb]," implies that all experts believe a certain way. I think this can be fixed by providing references to experts (with respective justification for use of appeal to authority) or by removing/changing the sentence to "A possible response is..." or something similar.
I just noticed it, and thought it might help the credibility. Thanks much.
Ha! So what have all you sceptics got to say about this damning evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEpXKdTm5k&eurl=http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=117433
SteveBaker ( talk) 01:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)