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"A monument is a structure built for commemorative or symbolic reasons rather than for any functional use."
I must differ with what appears to be an incomplete and somewhat misleading definition.
1. "A commemorative or symbolic reason" is a functional use. Monuments often provide overt written, graphic and/or three-dimensional historical information, useful to reinforce the primacy of contemporary political power(the column of Trajan). They also educate the populace in more benign ways. 2. The "function" of munuments can include protection, as in city gates, or orientation as in town "Welcome" signs. 3. The "function" of monuments in Urban Design can include separation of public spaces into different uses. A larger scale example is, in fact, the Washington Monument, whose location (and vertical geometry, though not physical detail) was conceived to help organize public space in the Capital City before it was ever connected with George Washington. 4. Obelisks were originally built by the ancient Egyptians in pairs, to demark a sequence in public space. 5. Finally, a "monument" is also a surveying marker that denotes a property corner, a milestone in a road or an agreed-upon vertical datum used to measure the relative elevation of land.
Thanks for listening. Your website is great. John jrca@aol.com
I'm not sure about the two pictures on this article (Taj Mahal and Eiffel Tower). Those are buildings, not really monuments. -- JW1805 02:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The Eiffel Tower is a monument. Ask any French person(I did and got nothing but "Yes, it is a monument.")-- Mac Simms 18:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC) it was just a monument that was historical — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.56.82 ( talk) 09:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
There are a lot of pictures of towers in this article (I admit it, I just added another one myself) and I think that there are more pictures that deserve to be placed in the article. Maybe we could create a 6- or 9- image gallery at the bottom of the page? I've never done it, but if no one has any objections, I'll learn and do it myself. Just a thought, zappa.jak e ( talk) 05:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to canvas views on whether or not editors feel it appropriate to have links to the ARCHI database of more than 110,000 UK sites on monuments on the Archaeology UK website ARCHI Database. One of the patrollers insists that this counts as link spam and has removed the link. However, the database allows users to locate UK Archaelogical Sites and Monuments within the UK. Chris Kutler 13:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Removed ", the Tunisian Great Mosque of Kairouan (an important monument of Islamic North African architecture)" the fact that one must justify by adding the parenthesis is a sign. The Kaaba would be a better monument to add. 80.169.233.244 ( talk) 07:52, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
from the lede picture, ", a monument commemorating the French Revolution]]" because i am not sure that it is true. Et tu? Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 01:24, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
with our first TYPE
Can a building be designed to be an icon? Is not iconship something that history or posterity bestows on something? I am inclined to remove that type, think about it and perhaps add an "Iconic" monument section (if there is not already one) but it won't include the above example. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 17:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your speedy reply. In our article
Cultural icon there is the following section:
I believe that this is what we are doing here, we are using the word “icon” in its most meaningless form. I have no problem mentioning this structure as a significant monument, but let us not cheapen the word any more by calling it an icon. Not for a building less than a decade old. Carptrash ( talk)
"The planned US capital
Washington D.C. is built around monuments commemorating founding fathers of the
United States"
from the lede picture (if that is the correct term) because really only the Washington Monument is dedicated to the
Founding Fathers.
Certainly
Abraham Lincoln was not a founding father. I understand what the caption was trying to say and there probably is language that says it, but this ain't it.
Carptrash (
talk)
17:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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Recently this was added, " . .... usually three-dimensional - structure ..." Is not a "structure" always three-dimensional? Carptrash ( talk) 20:26, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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It would be good to have some sources for these statements, which are scattered throughout the article. There is a lot of what I would call "theorizing" about political and social purposes beyond memorializing a person or event. What people think about a monument may not have been the intent when it was erected. Witness the destruction or removal of monuments to Confederate generals in the USA. Originally set up to memorialize a person, now they are seen by many as a reminder of the evils of slavery. I'm sure that some historians or political scientists have addressed this issue; let's cite some. Wastrel Way ( talk) 13:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Eric
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"A monument is a structure built for commemorative or symbolic reasons rather than for any functional use."
I must differ with what appears to be an incomplete and somewhat misleading definition.
1. "A commemorative or symbolic reason" is a functional use. Monuments often provide overt written, graphic and/or three-dimensional historical information, useful to reinforce the primacy of contemporary political power(the column of Trajan). They also educate the populace in more benign ways. 2. The "function" of munuments can include protection, as in city gates, or orientation as in town "Welcome" signs. 3. The "function" of monuments in Urban Design can include separation of public spaces into different uses. A larger scale example is, in fact, the Washington Monument, whose location (and vertical geometry, though not physical detail) was conceived to help organize public space in the Capital City before it was ever connected with George Washington. 4. Obelisks were originally built by the ancient Egyptians in pairs, to demark a sequence in public space. 5. Finally, a "monument" is also a surveying marker that denotes a property corner, a milestone in a road or an agreed-upon vertical datum used to measure the relative elevation of land.
Thanks for listening. Your website is great. John jrca@aol.com
I'm not sure about the two pictures on this article (Taj Mahal and Eiffel Tower). Those are buildings, not really monuments. -- JW1805 02:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The Eiffel Tower is a monument. Ask any French person(I did and got nothing but "Yes, it is a monument.")-- Mac Simms 18:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC) it was just a monument that was historical — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.56.82 ( talk) 09:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
There are a lot of pictures of towers in this article (I admit it, I just added another one myself) and I think that there are more pictures that deserve to be placed in the article. Maybe we could create a 6- or 9- image gallery at the bottom of the page? I've never done it, but if no one has any objections, I'll learn and do it myself. Just a thought, zappa.jak e ( talk) 05:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I would like to canvas views on whether or not editors feel it appropriate to have links to the ARCHI database of more than 110,000 UK sites on monuments on the Archaeology UK website ARCHI Database. One of the patrollers insists that this counts as link spam and has removed the link. However, the database allows users to locate UK Archaelogical Sites and Monuments within the UK. Chris Kutler 13:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Removed ", the Tunisian Great Mosque of Kairouan (an important monument of Islamic North African architecture)" the fact that one must justify by adding the parenthesis is a sign. The Kaaba would be a better monument to add. 80.169.233.244 ( talk) 07:52, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
from the lede picture, ", a monument commemorating the French Revolution]]" because i am not sure that it is true. Et tu? Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 01:24, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
with our first TYPE
Can a building be designed to be an icon? Is not iconship something that history or posterity bestows on something? I am inclined to remove that type, think about it and perhaps add an "Iconic" monument section (if there is not already one) but it won't include the above example. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 17:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your speedy reply. In our article
Cultural icon there is the following section:
I believe that this is what we are doing here, we are using the word “icon” in its most meaningless form. I have no problem mentioning this structure as a significant monument, but let us not cheapen the word any more by calling it an icon. Not for a building less than a decade old. Carptrash ( talk)
"The planned US capital
Washington D.C. is built around monuments commemorating founding fathers of the
United States"
from the lede picture (if that is the correct term) because really only the Washington Monument is dedicated to the
Founding Fathers.
Certainly
Abraham Lincoln was not a founding father. I understand what the caption was trying to say and there probably is language that says it, but this ain't it.
Carptrash (
talk)
17:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This article contains a translation of Denkmal from de.wikipedia. |
OIAM ( talk) 16:12, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Recently this was added, " . .... usually three-dimensional - structure ..." Is not a "structure" always three-dimensional? Carptrash ( talk) 20:26, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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It would be good to have some sources for these statements, which are scattered throughout the article. There is a lot of what I would call "theorizing" about political and social purposes beyond memorializing a person or event. What people think about a monument may not have been the intent when it was erected. Witness the destruction or removal of monuments to Confederate generals in the USA. Originally set up to memorialize a person, now they are seen by many as a reminder of the evils of slavery. I'm sure that some historians or political scientists have addressed this issue; let's cite some. Wastrel Way ( talk) 13:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Eric