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Why has everything in this article been changed to the past tense? The company is still in business and is still operating in Maine. Being in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings does not mean the company has ceased operations, and being "for sale" does not mean that it has been sold. I've made changes to the opening paragraph; please change the rest of the article back to the way it was before all the past tense changes were made. 64.185.131.107 ( talk) 17:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
While it is true that MM&A is in bankruptcy, the railroad is presently in operation. Contrary to the reports above, it is allowed to operate in Canada, at least until February of next year (Ref: http://trn.trains.com/Railroad%20News/News%20Wire/2013/10/Montreal%20Maine%20%20Atlantic%20operate%20until%20Feb%201.aspx) and is doing so, and further the company is in the process of restoring the Lac-Mégantic link ( http://trn.trains.com/Railroad%20News/News%20Wire/2013/10/Rail%20line%20through%20Lac%20M%C3%A9gantic%20could%20reopen%20by%20Thanksgiving.aspx)
I would suggest fixing the article as-is. It may be all but certain that an asset sale will occur, leaving the corporate entity to deal with compensating victims of the Lac Magentic affair before being wound up, but it hasn't happened yet. The Sun hasn't exploded into a Red Giant and then slowly withered away either, which is why the article on the Sun doesn't describe it in the past tense despite the fact the Sun's end is absolutely 100% certain. This article shouldn't be written in the past tense either. 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 18:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanksgiving is the headline in Trains Magazine, an American publication, so it would stand to reason it's refering to the American holiday. The actual text of the article says: "The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway may begin operating through Lac-Mégantic by the end of November, the Bangor Daily News reports. The railroad has also started to rehire workers let go after the July 6 derailment and fire destroyed much of the city's downtown."
So, no, we're not talking about next year, and we're not talking about October. And regardless, we are talking about a railroad that is currently operational, even if closure is certain. You're jumping the gun by claiming an operating railroad company no longer exists. 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 18:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
The full Trains Magazine article includes more sources, but here's the Bangor Daily News Article they appear to be referencing: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/10/14/business/lac-megantic-rail-line-might-reopen-next-month-railway-company-rehiring-workers-fired-after-crash/?ref=search 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 19:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not about what you want the world to be. And while it can, under certain circumstances, be allowable to make predictions, you can never describe the future in the present tense.
MM&A is still alive. Just. The business is still in control of the railroad, it's still running trains. It's managed by bankruptcy trustees and its closure and transfer of assets to another entity is imminent.
We even know the LIKELY date of the transfer: March 31st.
But it's not dead yet. And won't be until (most likely) March 31st. Like I just said.
So will everyone PLEASE be careful about what you write? This isn't a competition for who gets to find out it's dead first. When you jump in and say "Isitideadisitdead oooh boy isitdead isitdead? itsdead! I winiwiniwin!!" and it's not yet, you undermine Wikipedia because anyone reading the article who actually needs to know is going to be fed false information. The fact is if I need something, today, transferred over that line, I need to contact the people at MMARail.com. If I contact Fortress Investment Group, I'm going to get laughed at.
Please. Curb your enthusiasm. And remember, FWIW: MM&A is bankrupt because of the deaths of 47 people. Your enthusiasm in that context is, perhaps, a little misplaced?
Thank you,
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And how about an update on what the result was of the engineer and supervisor and everyone else remotely involved (except the local firemen who shut the locomotive off, of course) being dragged into court? Were they convicted? Fined? Found not guilty? Is the case still dragging on? As far as I can see they didn't do anything that wasn't standard practice around here, and aside from failing to set enough hand brakes (which wouldn't have been a problem if over-enthused and under-experienced local volunteer firemen hadn't shut the engine - and the brakes - off), so I am curious whether they were actually sacrificed as political scapegoats, or if it was just a gesture to appease the public, and nothing ever came of it.
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Why has everything in this article been changed to the past tense? The company is still in business and is still operating in Maine. Being in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings does not mean the company has ceased operations, and being "for sale" does not mean that it has been sold. I've made changes to the opening paragraph; please change the rest of the article back to the way it was before all the past tense changes were made. 64.185.131.107 ( talk) 17:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
While it is true that MM&A is in bankruptcy, the railroad is presently in operation. Contrary to the reports above, it is allowed to operate in Canada, at least until February of next year (Ref: http://trn.trains.com/Railroad%20News/News%20Wire/2013/10/Montreal%20Maine%20%20Atlantic%20operate%20until%20Feb%201.aspx) and is doing so, and further the company is in the process of restoring the Lac-Mégantic link ( http://trn.trains.com/Railroad%20News/News%20Wire/2013/10/Rail%20line%20through%20Lac%20M%C3%A9gantic%20could%20reopen%20by%20Thanksgiving.aspx)
I would suggest fixing the article as-is. It may be all but certain that an asset sale will occur, leaving the corporate entity to deal with compensating victims of the Lac Magentic affair before being wound up, but it hasn't happened yet. The Sun hasn't exploded into a Red Giant and then slowly withered away either, which is why the article on the Sun doesn't describe it in the past tense despite the fact the Sun's end is absolutely 100% certain. This article shouldn't be written in the past tense either. 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 18:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanksgiving is the headline in Trains Magazine, an American publication, so it would stand to reason it's refering to the American holiday. The actual text of the article says: "The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway may begin operating through Lac-Mégantic by the end of November, the Bangor Daily News reports. The railroad has also started to rehire workers let go after the July 6 derailment and fire destroyed much of the city's downtown."
So, no, we're not talking about next year, and we're not talking about October. And regardless, we are talking about a railroad that is currently operational, even if closure is certain. You're jumping the gun by claiming an operating railroad company no longer exists. 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 18:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
The full Trains Magazine article includes more sources, but here's the Bangor Daily News Article they appear to be referencing: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/10/14/business/lac-megantic-rail-line-might-reopen-next-month-railway-company-rehiring-workers-fired-after-crash/?ref=search 98.254.202.225 ( talk) 19:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not about what you want the world to be. And while it can, under certain circumstances, be allowable to make predictions, you can never describe the future in the present tense.
MM&A is still alive. Just. The business is still in control of the railroad, it's still running trains. It's managed by bankruptcy trustees and its closure and transfer of assets to another entity is imminent.
We even know the LIKELY date of the transfer: March 31st.
But it's not dead yet. And won't be until (most likely) March 31st. Like I just said.
So will everyone PLEASE be careful about what you write? This isn't a competition for who gets to find out it's dead first. When you jump in and say "Isitideadisitdead oooh boy isitdead isitdead? itsdead! I winiwiniwin!!" and it's not yet, you undermine Wikipedia because anyone reading the article who actually needs to know is going to be fed false information. The fact is if I need something, today, transferred over that line, I need to contact the people at MMARail.com. If I contact Fortress Investment Group, I'm going to get laughed at.
Please. Curb your enthusiasm. And remember, FWIW: MM&A is bankrupt because of the deaths of 47 people. Your enthusiasm in that context is, perhaps, a little misplaced?
Thank you,
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And how about an update on what the result was of the engineer and supervisor and everyone else remotely involved (except the local firemen who shut the locomotive off, of course) being dragged into court? Were they convicted? Fined? Found not guilty? Is the case still dragging on? As far as I can see they didn't do anything that wasn't standard practice around here, and aside from failing to set enough hand brakes (which wouldn't have been a problem if over-enthused and under-experienced local volunteer firemen hadn't shut the engine - and the brakes - off), so I am curious whether they were actually sacrificed as political scapegoats, or if it was just a gesture to appease the public, and nothing ever came of it.
64.222.125.125 ( talk) 19:21, 2 April 2021 (UTC)