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The Rockville campus is not exactly geared toward liberal arts and fine arts.
I hear talk about this, but can't find a source. Is it just a rumor? - VJ 06:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
yes, it is true: transfering to UMD from Mont College Pat Semple ( talk) 04:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I second the motion for the merger. The Sarah Silberman Art Gallery is not notable in and of itself. NickCT ( talk) 17:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I second the call to merge the Montgomery College Libraries article with this one. I doubt there will ever be so much notable and verifiable information about the libraries that it won't work in a section in this article, and if such a time does come it wouldn't be very difficult to unmerge them. Sumguysr ( talk) 18:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, time to merge the pages. Pat Semple ( talk) 04:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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Carver Junior College was established in 1950 as a post-secondary school for African-Americans, inasmuch as Montgomery Junior College was segregated. There's an existing Wikipedia page George Washington Carver High School (Rockville, Maryland), but there had not been any reference to Carver from Montgomery College, even though the Carver location would ultimately become the Montgomery College Rockville campus (and Carver Junior College refers to the school in Florida, without offering any pointer to the "Carver High School" page).
Here are some sources for Carver:
There are a few problems associated with the edits of 22 June 2021:
I consider each of the above items to be a significant problem, but I'll specifically elaborate on the "undue emphasis" issue. I am not here to try and defend MC. However, we don't need so much text to describe the fact that one person abused their travel expense privileges. The intricate details of the excessive spending are not needed; this could have been summarized in a sentence or two, particularly since a good citation was available. But wait, there's more! This is a story from 5 years ago. Sure, it absolutely belongs in the article, but instead of leaving us thinking that there's some ongoing brouhaha, the reader would like to know how this was resolved.
There's also a pretty glaring example of self-serving content in something which reads like a press release. I guess I'd call this both a case of WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV.
Whether or not any representative of MC had anything to do with these recent edits, I don't know. Still, they're an embarrassment to the college. Fabrickator ( talk) 09:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
(subsequent discussion of the college president's reimbursed expenses has been moved to #college president's expenditures)
There are two Montgomery College shields on Wikipedia File:MC SEAL.jpg and File:Montgomery College Shield.png. I uploaded the second one because I found one of bigger and better size. But I just want to make sure they're appropriate. Chrisisreed ( talk) 15:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
A. If everybody on the list has a wiki page, then why would it be required to include "additional citations"?
B. It seems weird that "Notable people" precedes "Controversy".
Fabrickator ( talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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I thought any further discussion about the college president's expenditures should not continue in a section titled "recent edits of 22 June 2021", so I have created this new section.
I particularly wanted to address a statement which left the impression that there was "only one source" for this story. It's true that this was NBC 4's story. However, the story was picked up on by other local media (such as Montgomery County Sentinel and Bethesda Magazine). More significantly, a report was issued by the Inspector General, which, though finding nothing "wrong" with the decisions, made recommendations to improve transparency.
I think many students (and the general public as well) would wonder about the president of a publicly-funded institution receiving a "housing allowance" on top of a seemingly generous salary, and whether travel may sometimes be motivated by the desire to serve the interests of the college or by the opportunity for travel on the county's dime.
Perhaps the nature of this "controversy" sets it apart from other types of controversies, perhaps not. One point I would make is, if there's no mention of this in the article, it seems likely that somebody will periodically "discover" this story, adding it to the article, resulting in revisiting this discussion, presuming that it is omitted from the article. Fabrickator ( talk) 04:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
User:ElKevbo — Can you elaborate on the reasons for removing information on tuition that appears to meet NPOV, NOR, and V? Other than it’s not encyclopedic? See WP:UNENC. CUA 27 ( talk) 02:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Not only does WP:UNIGUIDE endorse including information about tutition costs, some of the best articles in the WikiProject do the same. See, as just one example, the featured article Pomona College, which appeared on Wikipedia's main page earlier this month, and which the WP:COLLEGE WikiProject considers a showcase article. It describes tuition and costs, while mentioning the availability of financial aid (discounts). Further, if you think information is complex (which this isn't really), the better approach is to explain it in the text rather than remove it from the text. CUA 27 ( talk) 12:31, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
I think it's time to review the weighting of the different areas covered in this article, including both information about current operation of the college as well as historical information. Speak up if this is of interest to you. Fabrickator ( talk) 21:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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The Rockville campus is not exactly geared toward liberal arts and fine arts.
I hear talk about this, but can't find a source. Is it just a rumor? - VJ 06:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
yes, it is true: transfering to UMD from Mont College Pat Semple ( talk) 04:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I second the motion for the merger. The Sarah Silberman Art Gallery is not notable in and of itself. NickCT ( talk) 17:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I second the call to merge the Montgomery College Libraries article with this one. I doubt there will ever be so much notable and verifiable information about the libraries that it won't work in a section in this article, and if such a time does come it wouldn't be very difficult to unmerge them. Sumguysr ( talk) 18:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, time to merge the pages. Pat Semple ( talk) 04:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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Carver Junior College was established in 1950 as a post-secondary school for African-Americans, inasmuch as Montgomery Junior College was segregated. There's an existing Wikipedia page George Washington Carver High School (Rockville, Maryland), but there had not been any reference to Carver from Montgomery College, even though the Carver location would ultimately become the Montgomery College Rockville campus (and Carver Junior College refers to the school in Florida, without offering any pointer to the "Carver High School" page).
Here are some sources for Carver:
There are a few problems associated with the edits of 22 June 2021:
I consider each of the above items to be a significant problem, but I'll specifically elaborate on the "undue emphasis" issue. I am not here to try and defend MC. However, we don't need so much text to describe the fact that one person abused their travel expense privileges. The intricate details of the excessive spending are not needed; this could have been summarized in a sentence or two, particularly since a good citation was available. But wait, there's more! This is a story from 5 years ago. Sure, it absolutely belongs in the article, but instead of leaving us thinking that there's some ongoing brouhaha, the reader would like to know how this was resolved.
There's also a pretty glaring example of self-serving content in something which reads like a press release. I guess I'd call this both a case of WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV.
Whether or not any representative of MC had anything to do with these recent edits, I don't know. Still, they're an embarrassment to the college. Fabrickator ( talk) 09:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
(subsequent discussion of the college president's reimbursed expenses has been moved to #college president's expenditures)
There are two Montgomery College shields on Wikipedia File:MC SEAL.jpg and File:Montgomery College Shield.png. I uploaded the second one because I found one of bigger and better size. But I just want to make sure they're appropriate. Chrisisreed ( talk) 15:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
A. If everybody on the list has a wiki page, then why would it be required to include "additional citations"?
B. It seems weird that "Notable people" precedes "Controversy".
Fabrickator ( talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ElKevbo: @ 50.249.33.57: @ Chrisisreed::
I thought any further discussion about the college president's expenditures should not continue in a section titled "recent edits of 22 June 2021", so I have created this new section.
I particularly wanted to address a statement which left the impression that there was "only one source" for this story. It's true that this was NBC 4's story. However, the story was picked up on by other local media (such as Montgomery County Sentinel and Bethesda Magazine). More significantly, a report was issued by the Inspector General, which, though finding nothing "wrong" with the decisions, made recommendations to improve transparency.
I think many students (and the general public as well) would wonder about the president of a publicly-funded institution receiving a "housing allowance" on top of a seemingly generous salary, and whether travel may sometimes be motivated by the desire to serve the interests of the college or by the opportunity for travel on the county's dime.
Perhaps the nature of this "controversy" sets it apart from other types of controversies, perhaps not. One point I would make is, if there's no mention of this in the article, it seems likely that somebody will periodically "discover" this story, adding it to the article, resulting in revisiting this discussion, presuming that it is omitted from the article. Fabrickator ( talk) 04:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
User:ElKevbo — Can you elaborate on the reasons for removing information on tuition that appears to meet NPOV, NOR, and V? Other than it’s not encyclopedic? See WP:UNENC. CUA 27 ( talk) 02:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Not only does WP:UNIGUIDE endorse including information about tutition costs, some of the best articles in the WikiProject do the same. See, as just one example, the featured article Pomona College, which appeared on Wikipedia's main page earlier this month, and which the WP:COLLEGE WikiProject considers a showcase article. It describes tuition and costs, while mentioning the availability of financial aid (discounts). Further, if you think information is complex (which this isn't really), the better approach is to explain it in the text rather than remove it from the text. CUA 27 ( talk) 12:31, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
I think it's time to review the weighting of the different areas covered in this article, including both information about current operation of the college as well as historical information. Speak up if this is of interest to you. Fabrickator ( talk) 21:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)