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Can we get a more recent photo?
We have since added more recent photos. However, if someone speaks Russian, it would be nice if we could import some of the extra information and pics from the Russian Montevideo article. — Greenmoss May 18, 23:15
I'm a french wikipedian and I'm sorry the article it isn't for the Department but for the city. And
Montevideo Department is a redirection on this article.
The other wps do the difference like
fr wp. Bye all people.--
David 13:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)~
Does the population section refer to Montevideo, Minnesota rather than the one in Uruguay?
Are Peñarol and Nacional really two of South Americas most "glorious" teams. Seems a little biased to me.
Rathersane replies: If Peñarol and Nacional win most of the games, then they may call themselves two of South America's most glorious teams without worrying about NPOV, methinks.
They, along with Real Madrid, São Paulo and Milan (I think), are the only teams to have won the Intercontinental Cup/Club World Cup three times. If that´s not glorious, please tell me what it is. Lomibz 08:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I admit that they are good,but I definitely wouldn't use the word glorious to describe them. Also recently they havent even been that good. nacional was eliminated by cùcuta in the quarterfinals of the copa libertadores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) -- NicoBolso ( talk) 19:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The article states that Montevideo is situated upon the "northern mouth of the River Plate (Rio de la Plata). Is "River Plate" a common English name for the river or is it just a bad translation of "la plata" which means "silver"?
I've seen it on English-language maps as both "Rio de la Plata" and "La Plata River," though I've never seen "Silver" or "Plate."
It seems we are stuck with River Plate only as far as the battle is concerned, because of some historic naming reasons, evidently. I don't know if the British used to call it so even before WWII. Well, and then cane Hollywood and made the film... Hoverfish Talk 22:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
The citation link for quality of life being high does not seem to return anything meaningful. Montevideo is not listed on that page, and even when searched for with their search facilities, only a low cost of living is indicated for montevideo, and not a high quality of life.
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This little island in the bay of Montevideo became in 1864 a base for the Italian Navy (Cap. Martini`s Agreement) but a year later the Government of Uruguay revoked the lease to preserve the national sovereignty. (Source: "Storia delle campagne oceaniche della Regia Marina" - vol. I - 1992 - page 49)
In the DC-universe montevideo has being destroyed, does that deserves to be mentioned??
I'm not sure about the statement that Montevideo is "the second safest capital city [in the world]". The citation link given only leads to a page which, although it does state this as a fact, is advertising for students to come to Montevideo, and itself has no source for this statistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.33.214 ( talk) 18:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the coat of arms? I can't find the image anywhere! -- Hetfield1987 ( Wesborland | James Hetfield) 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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I removed Miami from the list of sister cities. This is from the official site of the city of Miami: http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/MIC/pages/SisterCities/default.asp shows the list of sister cities, and Montevideo is not on that list. -- Scuac ( talk) 20:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
"Montevideo has a privileged harbor, one of the most important in the Americas. Also, it has beautiful beaches, like Pocitos, Buceo, Malvín, Playa de los Ingleses, Playa Verde, Punta Gorda and Carrasco."
The former isn't referenced, and the latter is subjective. Wikipedia shouldn't be functioning as a tourism brochure, I think the language should be a little more neutral here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.228.67 ( talk • contribs)
"Also, it has beautiful beaches, such as Pocitos, Buceo, Malvín, Playa de los Ingleses, Playa Verde, Punta Gorda and Carrasco."
There are no beach at Pocitos and Carrasco. Its seems like beach, but it is river.
-- YIMTRYM ( talk) 21:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)YIMTRYM
I'm surprised that there's no mention in the text of how the city received its name (From the Portuguese for "I have seen a hill"), or of the cerro which is the "monte" in the name. The hill is only about 400 feet high, but the land is so flat it stands out.-- Syd Henderson ( talk) 01:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Video appears to be Latin rather than Portuguese. Monte isn't to be found in many Latin dictionaries, so perhaps a mix? No web sources found. Best of luck to whoever takes up this task next.
According to this site the last trip of a trolleybus line was on 26 January 1992. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 02:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC) The author's main page is at this place. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 02:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I tried resizing them, but that isn't helping. Some of the "edit" links are not appearing by their respective sections because of them. Seregain ( talk) 16:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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Good luck with the article. :) Nikki♥ 311 04:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
... and therefore removed the lead too short template.-- Izmir2 Let's talk 08:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
To conform with the policy of Wikipedia on Advertising and conflicts of interest, and to avoid self-promotion, I ask here another editor, if possible relevant to the edit history of the article, to decide on the inclusion of the following external link to the new trilingual Exploring Montevideo site. Thank you.
* [http://sites.google.com/site/impressionsofmontevideo/ An exploration guide of Montevideo] {{en}} {{es icon}} {{gr icon}}
Hoverfish Talk 13:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Dazedbythebell ( talk) 16:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 16:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
There are currently 641 Uruguayan footballer articles in the english wikipedia. Is there any stucture or limit of inclusion for this section? Hoverfish Talk 19:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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There are some people who like to present Montevideo as World Trade Center and ANTEL Tower, but this does an injustice to the city which is full of much more amazing buildings and as famous "symbols of Montevideo". The Palacio Legislativo and the Palacio Salvo are worth to precede these two glass era marvels and that;s not just IMHO, but according to postcard stands everywhere, and most-basic touring group schedules. I placed the Parliament on top. In this case a good image is worth it, maybe one catching some details in. Also the Salvo can get out of the Old City section and stand alone on top of the chapter. Hoverfish Talk 17:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Was it summer when you visited? Right now it's brilliant and it gets annoyingly sunny for a while later on. I just got me an Aussie hat to go around. I used the City Hall and the Ministry of Tourism info because the sourcing is more easy and acceptable. If I get into the private sector it might be like advertising. But you are right, I will cut some official stuff there. Truth is that tourism is not well organized here. As for fish, there is the fresh fish market in the port Buceo which is very frequented, but Montevideans are mostly red-meat consumers. Do you have any good reference on this? It's worth including. Hoverfish Talk 16:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks for the pics!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I like what you say about the photos. I always avoid the street scene and try to get the architecture. I have been critisized for avoiding people and I have no answer. It's like my style or behavior. The thing about the article is that we can't do reporter-style writing, and most people go by what they find most impressive, which surely doesn't give the whole picture. But Wikipedia is the best place to try to give a more real description. If one is set upon doing it, references can be found, in newspapers, books, whatever. And it has to be given "proper weight" in the article. Also I think that different kinds of people are moved by different things, so there could be many "feels" this place could offer. There are many here who look at Montevideo only as Pocitos, Punta Caretas, Carrasco, etc. They don't want to take a look at the poorer areas. But there is the Hipodromo area which is considered a dangerous place even in broad daylight, there are the homeless and squaters and the tin sheds in so many places. It's hard to put it all in here and in the correct proportion, but it's not impossible. Hoverfish Talk 02:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In the Demographics section:
In the Tourism section:
I disagree. They are the most notable hotels in the city so a basic description is perfectly fine. The problem was undue weight with Radisson and Belmont, not because it was an advert. Hotel articles are amongst the trickiest to write to avoid sounding like an advert anyway...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. The same should probably be done with the hospitals.. (create articles then condense in main article) Finished translating the itlaian hospital yet?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
"...with building of three more shopping complexes such as the Shopping Tres Cruces, Portones Shopping, and Punta Carretas Shopping..." Before I try to clean this up: is it exactly these three (in which case "such as" should be removed) or were there others of comparable significance (in which case "three" should be removed)? - Jmabel | Talk 07:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Any particular basis for "The Towers Square" as an English-language name? It sounds very awkward. I'm guessing (without looking at the original) that it is an over-literal translation of something called "Plaza las Torres" or "Plaza de las Torres". If we must translate this proper noun, and if there is no established English-language name, can I suggest just "Towers Square", which is more likely English? - Jmabel | Talk 07:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone should make a pass through this article looking for overlinking and repetition. I've removed some of the more egregious links (we don't need to link vanity or architect!), but I think there are cases where the same place name is linked half a dozen times. In general, in en-wiki we only link names on first mention or when a name that was mentioned before is the main topic of the present section. It is occasionally OK to link a term that hasn't come up in, say, the last half dozen paragraphs. Anything beyond that is definitely excessive.
The repeated linking of the same terms is partly related to coverage of the same topics coming up over and over in the article. For example, someone really should take a look at how many separate places discuss 18 de Julio Avenue or the Old City. It's OK if there is a passing mention in one place and a real discussion in another, but three separate 2-sentence discussions of the same topic is simply poor organization. Another example of this would be that two separate mentions of Torre ANTEL each give its height.
Also, we should try to be consistent about proper nouns. Generally, we should use both English and Spanish on first mention; thereafter, we should use only one, and we should have a consistent policy as to whether we are using English or Spanish on subsequent mentions. For example, on first mention either 'Old City (Ciudad Vieja)' and thereafter 'Old City' or on first mention 'Ciudad Vieja ("Old City")' and thereafter 'Ciudad Vieja'; on first mention either '18 de Julio Avenue (Avenida 18 de Julio, "July 18 Avenue")' and thereafter '18 de Julio Avenue' or on first mention 'Avenida 18 de Julio" ("July 18 Avenue")' and thereafter Avenida 18 de Julio. - Jmabel | Talk 07:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
" It has a vibrant artistic and literary community. The press enjoyed full freedom until the advent of the Civic-military dictatorship (1973-1985)." I added the mention of the dictatorship (previously it just said "until 1973," which wouldn't mean much to the average English-language reader). I presume that press freedom was restored either at some particular date or gradually over some period shortly after 1985, but I don't know the details. Can someone please fill in this missing piece? - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As the section of education is becoming more complete, some attention to its inclusions and structure is needed. About higher education, this template page of the spanish wikipedia has it right: es:Anexo:Universidades de Uruguay. However a paragraph or two about primary and secondary education before the higher in each sector would be good. Hoverfish Talk 01:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Who the heck is Saenz-Zumarán? No obvious hits from Google. Is it possible that this was a house owned at different times by someone named Saenz and someone else named Zumarán? Or what? - Jmabel | Talk 07:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need to say that Parque Rodó "is particularly busy on a Sunday." Presumably a busy day for most parks. Not the sort of thing we need to say in an already long article on an entire city, unless there is something particularly special about Sunday in that park, in which case we should say what is special. - Jmabel | Talk 04:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, does the following (uncited) paragraph really belong in an encyclopedia?
La Rambla, South of the Gulf of Montevideo, provides a great environment during the afternoon for all kinds of people to do a big variety of things, such as jogging, walking, biking, drinking mate with someone, fishing, taking a sunbath, play with kites and even skateboarding and roller skateboarding in given areas for these two last activities. The avenue is highly secured by the Tourism Police Unit during the summer to keep a safe environment for the tourists there.
If we want to say something to this effect, can't we find something citable (and better written) and quote it? - Jmabel | Talk 05:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and I have no idea what "roller skateboarding" might be. We already mentioned "skateboarding," so it's presumably not that. Perhaps "roller skating"? - Jmabel | Talk 05:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
"the oldest and ones most prominent theatres in South America." Does this mean "the oldest and one of the most prominent theatres in South America"? or "the oldest and once most prominent theatre in South America"? or something else? - Jmabel | Talk 22:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
And an ambiguous one: "In 1816 [the library's] stock was 5,000 volumes, together with donations of Larrañaga and José Raimundo Guerra, as well as others from the Convent of San Francisco in Salta." Should "together with" here be "including," or are these in addition to the 5,000, in which case what was the total? - Jmabel | Talk 01:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
2 questions in the section on authors:
- Jmabel | Talk 01:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
"Cardiloo, one of the country's leading artists". I suspect that "Cardiloo" is a typo for "Cardillo," meaning Rimer Cardillo. Right?
"The Palacio Taranco... was erected... in the early 20th century... This colonial building...": If it is a 20th century building, in what sense is it "colonial"? - Jmabel | Talk 05:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
" El Fogon... is set in a brightly lit, well-mirrored parillada." I gather that parillada must have a meaning I don't know, because to me parillada is grilled/barbecued meat. The restaurant is certainly not set in a meat dish! - Jmabel | Talk 20:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Hospital de Clínicas "Dr. Manuel Quintela" is described as "a general reference institution." This is not an expression used in English. What is it intended to mean? - Jmabel | Talk 06:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Further, the same hospital is described as being "on 23 floors arranged with one side facing north." Now if it had three sides facing north, that would be worth remarking on, but don't most buildings have one side facing north? What, if anything, does this mean to say? - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
With reference to Hospital Vilardebó: "Today the hospital is very deteriorated, with broken walls and floors, lack of medicines, beds, and rooms for the officials." I have no clear idea what is meant here by "rooms for the officials." "Officials" in English is rarely used outside of the context either of (1) referees and administrators in sports or (2) government dignitaries or government authorities. Does this simply mean "administrators" here, or something else? - Jmabel | Talk 06:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
& I don't understand you new sentence "In both sectors, medical services are provided by polyclinics, including emergencies, and hospitals or sanatoria." "including emergencies" is kind of dangling there: it's not clear included in what. - Jmabel | Talk 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The article talks about General Artigas Central Station being closed, then says "...Montevideo had a historic 19th century railway station located six blocks from the central business district facing the harbour..." Are these the same station? If so, we should reword accordingly. If not, we should give the name of the latter station. - Jmabel | Talk 03:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I've made a pass through the whole article, copyedited what I could, and noted here the issues I couldn't quickly resolve (many of which others, Hoverfish especially, have now fixed). I'll keep an eye on this for a few more days (assuming that a few more loose ends will be dealt with) but after that if someone wants my help please ask on my user talk page, because I don't really maintain a watchlist on en-wiki.
A few things that should be addressed besides specifics that have been noted:
- Jmabel | Talk 06:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
IP user 190.135.180.119 (Montevideo) blanked a part of Religion section on the Mormons. I did not revert, although this was undiscussed, for the following reasons: 1) the blanked section reads like an advertisment for the said church, 2) the whole section on Religion needs to take in consideration the multiplicity of faiths practiced in Montevideo in a proper way, not just by interjecting another faith's temple. As it is, we cover only the Catholic church. Note that there is no "official religion" in Uruguay today, although the historic ties are predominantly Catholic. I see nowhere a mention of all the other faiths practiced. Hoverfish Talk 10:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I live in Montevideo, and speake some english, enough to translate english - spanish (sadly, not backwards) but if you need some help, please ask me in my talk. I use to be in en:WP often because I used to translate articles to es:WP. Cheers. -- Andreateletrabajo ( talk) 00:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
In the lede: "It is home to the longest Carnival in the world." Does this mean the oldest currently active carnival, the one that lasts for the most days each year, or what? - Jmabel | Talk 20:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Duration I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
The supposed "academic origin", “Monte-VI-D-E-O”.' (Monte V'I De Este a Oeste) seems to be cited from rather weak sources, and none of them indicate anything about who put forth this hypothesis. - Jmabel | Talk 22:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
You are right. I have translated it from the spanish article and carried over the citations without checking them. I will have to look in a library, but until I find a source for it, what do you think is best to do? Hoverfish Talk 01:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is one article written by "Ariel Collazo, Ex legislator", where it is attributed directly to "Rolando Laguarda Trías, professor of History of the Armed Forces": [7] (see 4th paragraph). Hoverfish Talk 01:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Nice article. Thanks (and congrats). I linked it in demographics. I will look if there are more articles to link in this section. Hoverfish Talk 01:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to focus on copyedits & probably raising more questions where it's not clear. I hope no one minds I don't get heavily into resolving the issues I may raise. I'm more focused at the Commons these days. - Jmabel | Talk 00:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
In the 19th century section:
Jmabel. PLease edit out or alter what you think is problematic. Anybody would think this was a GA review. Its still early days...♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I am glad this is going on and thankful to Gmabel for his time. I would like to see the copyedit all the way through. I translated some parts and the original was vague in some places; additionally, my English is not perfect at all. What is wrong if we get it closer to a GA now that we have such participation? Please note that when I was translating and when I saw parts of the other translations I had similar thoughts. Hoverfish Talk 11:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I am currently scouting for sources that support and complete the arguments given. Some of the citiations are not helpful. I will either complete or modify the problematic parts of remove them. Otherwise I am a naive reader and couldn't possibly do what Gmabel is doing, so I need it to guide my actions. Hoverfish Talk 12:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh I'm happy Jmabelis making suggestions for improvement too, it definately needs a major copyedit and improvement before GA...♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, then, I'll resume. - Jmabel | Talk 04:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
"The Junta, composed of 31 elected and honorary members..." Not sure what is intended by "honorary" here, but it's probably the wrong word. Presumably they are either "ex officio members" (holding their positions on the Junta by virtue of some other post they hold) or "appointed members" (named to their positions by some official or body). An "honorary" member would suggest someone who had certain privileges of a member but wasn't really a member in the usual sense. See for comparison honorary degree or citizenship#honorary citizenship. - Jmabel | Talk 04:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, in the list of Intendants of Montevideo: "Elect members of the Concejo Departamental", "Elect" is probably not the right word, but I'm not sure what is meant. Possibly "Elected members..."? "Several members"? Something else? "Elect" as an adjective before the noun in English tends to mean "chosen" only in the sense of "God's chosen ones" or some secular equivalent (although it can also be used ironically), but seems unlikely in this context. (By the way, "elect" as an adjective after the noun in English means "elected but not yet serving" as in "president elect"). - Jmabel | Talk 05:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
In the begining of the section "Religion" says:
The main religion in Uruguay is Roman Catholicism and has been since the foundation of the city. The city is part of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montevideo which was created as the Apostolic Vicariate of Montevideo in 1830...
As you should say, Uruguay have no official religion, therefore catholicism is not the main religion but is the widest religion if we do not count the atheist people (around half or more of the population). Besides this: "the city is part of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montevideo..." do not sounds good, because the city is not part of any church because the religious organizations and the state does not have any relationship.
In this wikipedia, you only focuses in the catholic church, but, what about evangelical church in montevideo? and the judaism? Another worship you forgot is the ´umbandismo', a syncretism with some of people who believe in it, which came from Brazil and Africa.
-- Zerabat ( talk) 03:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
You are correct. I have done some modifications to the direction you pointed out. However, in Wikipedia there is no "you" who focuses in this or that. Some editors who consider Catholisism as important have done these edits, others who consider other faiths, or no-faiths as important can do other edits. The common rule here is that these edits should be based in citations and not on editors' "know it to be so", as is very often done in Uruguayan topcis in the Spanish Wikipedia. Hoverfish Talk 14:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
The citation I offered from the National Institute of Statistics, states that in 2006, in Montevideo, there were 22.7% of people who professed as atheist and agnostic together, so I find your statement "around half or more of the population" as an unsupported claim. This is what I mean that we cannot write things because we "know them to be so". Some notable source has to say so and we have to attribute what we say to this source. Hoverfish Talk 14:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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Can we get a more recent photo?
We have since added more recent photos. However, if someone speaks Russian, it would be nice if we could import some of the extra information and pics from the Russian Montevideo article. — Greenmoss May 18, 23:15
I'm a french wikipedian and I'm sorry the article it isn't for the Department but for the city. And
Montevideo Department is a redirection on this article.
The other wps do the difference like
fr wp. Bye all people.--
David 13:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)~
Does the population section refer to Montevideo, Minnesota rather than the one in Uruguay?
Are Peñarol and Nacional really two of South Americas most "glorious" teams. Seems a little biased to me.
Rathersane replies: If Peñarol and Nacional win most of the games, then they may call themselves two of South America's most glorious teams without worrying about NPOV, methinks.
They, along with Real Madrid, São Paulo and Milan (I think), are the only teams to have won the Intercontinental Cup/Club World Cup three times. If that´s not glorious, please tell me what it is. Lomibz 08:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I admit that they are good,but I definitely wouldn't use the word glorious to describe them. Also recently they havent even been that good. nacional was eliminated by cùcuta in the quarterfinals of the copa libertadores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) -- NicoBolso ( talk) 19:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The article states that Montevideo is situated upon the "northern mouth of the River Plate (Rio de la Plata). Is "River Plate" a common English name for the river or is it just a bad translation of "la plata" which means "silver"?
I've seen it on English-language maps as both "Rio de la Plata" and "La Plata River," though I've never seen "Silver" or "Plate."
It seems we are stuck with River Plate only as far as the battle is concerned, because of some historic naming reasons, evidently. I don't know if the British used to call it so even before WWII. Well, and then cane Hollywood and made the film... Hoverfish Talk 22:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
The citation link for quality of life being high does not seem to return anything meaningful. Montevideo is not listed on that page, and even when searched for with their search facilities, only a low cost of living is indicated for montevideo, and not a high quality of life.
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This little island in the bay of Montevideo became in 1864 a base for the Italian Navy (Cap. Martini`s Agreement) but a year later the Government of Uruguay revoked the lease to preserve the national sovereignty. (Source: "Storia delle campagne oceaniche della Regia Marina" - vol. I - 1992 - page 49)
In the DC-universe montevideo has being destroyed, does that deserves to be mentioned??
I'm not sure about the statement that Montevideo is "the second safest capital city [in the world]". The citation link given only leads to a page which, although it does state this as a fact, is advertising for students to come to Montevideo, and itself has no source for this statistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.33.214 ( talk) 18:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the coat of arms? I can't find the image anywhere! -- Hetfield1987 ( Wesborland | James Hetfield) 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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I removed Miami from the list of sister cities. This is from the official site of the city of Miami: http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/MIC/pages/SisterCities/default.asp shows the list of sister cities, and Montevideo is not on that list. -- Scuac ( talk) 20:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
"Montevideo has a privileged harbor, one of the most important in the Americas. Also, it has beautiful beaches, like Pocitos, Buceo, Malvín, Playa de los Ingleses, Playa Verde, Punta Gorda and Carrasco."
The former isn't referenced, and the latter is subjective. Wikipedia shouldn't be functioning as a tourism brochure, I think the language should be a little more neutral here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.228.67 ( talk • contribs)
"Also, it has beautiful beaches, such as Pocitos, Buceo, Malvín, Playa de los Ingleses, Playa Verde, Punta Gorda and Carrasco."
There are no beach at Pocitos and Carrasco. Its seems like beach, but it is river.
-- YIMTRYM ( talk) 21:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)YIMTRYM
I'm surprised that there's no mention in the text of how the city received its name (From the Portuguese for "I have seen a hill"), or of the cerro which is the "monte" in the name. The hill is only about 400 feet high, but the land is so flat it stands out.-- Syd Henderson ( talk) 01:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Video appears to be Latin rather than Portuguese. Monte isn't to be found in many Latin dictionaries, so perhaps a mix? No web sources found. Best of luck to whoever takes up this task next.
According to this site the last trip of a trolleybus line was on 26 January 1992. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 02:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC) The author's main page is at this place. 67.86.73.252 ( talk) 02:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I tried resizing them, but that isn't helping. Some of the "edit" links are not appearing by their respective sections because of them. Seregain ( talk) 16:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nikki♥ 311 04:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry to inform the editors of this article that I am quickfailing its Good Article nomination based on the cleanup tag located in the article (additional citations needed). However, I am going to give some suggestions for improvement. Please feel free to renominate when the issues have been addressed.
Good luck with the article. :) Nikki♥ 311 04:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
... and therefore removed the lead too short template.-- Izmir2 Let's talk 08:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
To conform with the policy of Wikipedia on Advertising and conflicts of interest, and to avoid self-promotion, I ask here another editor, if possible relevant to the edit history of the article, to decide on the inclusion of the following external link to the new trilingual Exploring Montevideo site. Thank you.
* [http://sites.google.com/site/impressionsofmontevideo/ An exploration guide of Montevideo] {{en}} {{es icon}} {{gr icon}}
Hoverfish Talk 13:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
No problem. Dazedbythebell ( talk) 16:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 16:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
There are currently 641 Uruguayan footballer articles in the english wikipedia. Is there any stucture or limit of inclusion for this section? Hoverfish Talk 19:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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There are some people who like to present Montevideo as World Trade Center and ANTEL Tower, but this does an injustice to the city which is full of much more amazing buildings and as famous "symbols of Montevideo". The Palacio Legislativo and the Palacio Salvo are worth to precede these two glass era marvels and that;s not just IMHO, but according to postcard stands everywhere, and most-basic touring group schedules. I placed the Parliament on top. In this case a good image is worth it, maybe one catching some details in. Also the Salvo can get out of the Old City section and stand alone on top of the chapter. Hoverfish Talk 17:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Was it summer when you visited? Right now it's brilliant and it gets annoyingly sunny for a while later on. I just got me an Aussie hat to go around. I used the City Hall and the Ministry of Tourism info because the sourcing is more easy and acceptable. If I get into the private sector it might be like advertising. But you are right, I will cut some official stuff there. Truth is that tourism is not well organized here. As for fish, there is the fresh fish market in the port Buceo which is very frequented, but Montevideans are mostly red-meat consumers. Do you have any good reference on this? It's worth including. Hoverfish Talk 16:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks for the pics!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I like what you say about the photos. I always avoid the street scene and try to get the architecture. I have been critisized for avoiding people and I have no answer. It's like my style or behavior. The thing about the article is that we can't do reporter-style writing, and most people go by what they find most impressive, which surely doesn't give the whole picture. But Wikipedia is the best place to try to give a more real description. If one is set upon doing it, references can be found, in newspapers, books, whatever. And it has to be given "proper weight" in the article. Also I think that different kinds of people are moved by different things, so there could be many "feels" this place could offer. There are many here who look at Montevideo only as Pocitos, Punta Caretas, Carrasco, etc. They don't want to take a look at the poorer areas. But there is the Hipodromo area which is considered a dangerous place even in broad daylight, there are the homeless and squaters and the tin sheds in so many places. It's hard to put it all in here and in the correct proportion, but it's not impossible. Hoverfish Talk 02:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
In the Demographics section:
In the Tourism section:
I disagree. They are the most notable hotels in the city so a basic description is perfectly fine. The problem was undue weight with Radisson and Belmont, not because it was an advert. Hotel articles are amongst the trickiest to write to avoid sounding like an advert anyway...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. The same should probably be done with the hospitals.. (create articles then condense in main article) Finished translating the itlaian hospital yet?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
"...with building of three more shopping complexes such as the Shopping Tres Cruces, Portones Shopping, and Punta Carretas Shopping..." Before I try to clean this up: is it exactly these three (in which case "such as" should be removed) or were there others of comparable significance (in which case "three" should be removed)? - Jmabel | Talk 07:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Any particular basis for "The Towers Square" as an English-language name? It sounds very awkward. I'm guessing (without looking at the original) that it is an over-literal translation of something called "Plaza las Torres" or "Plaza de las Torres". If we must translate this proper noun, and if there is no established English-language name, can I suggest just "Towers Square", which is more likely English? - Jmabel | Talk 07:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone should make a pass through this article looking for overlinking and repetition. I've removed some of the more egregious links (we don't need to link vanity or architect!), but I think there are cases where the same place name is linked half a dozen times. In general, in en-wiki we only link names on first mention or when a name that was mentioned before is the main topic of the present section. It is occasionally OK to link a term that hasn't come up in, say, the last half dozen paragraphs. Anything beyond that is definitely excessive.
The repeated linking of the same terms is partly related to coverage of the same topics coming up over and over in the article. For example, someone really should take a look at how many separate places discuss 18 de Julio Avenue or the Old City. It's OK if there is a passing mention in one place and a real discussion in another, but three separate 2-sentence discussions of the same topic is simply poor organization. Another example of this would be that two separate mentions of Torre ANTEL each give its height.
Also, we should try to be consistent about proper nouns. Generally, we should use both English and Spanish on first mention; thereafter, we should use only one, and we should have a consistent policy as to whether we are using English or Spanish on subsequent mentions. For example, on first mention either 'Old City (Ciudad Vieja)' and thereafter 'Old City' or on first mention 'Ciudad Vieja ("Old City")' and thereafter 'Ciudad Vieja'; on first mention either '18 de Julio Avenue (Avenida 18 de Julio, "July 18 Avenue")' and thereafter '18 de Julio Avenue' or on first mention 'Avenida 18 de Julio" ("July 18 Avenue")' and thereafter Avenida 18 de Julio. - Jmabel | Talk 07:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
" It has a vibrant artistic and literary community. The press enjoyed full freedom until the advent of the Civic-military dictatorship (1973-1985)." I added the mention of the dictatorship (previously it just said "until 1973," which wouldn't mean much to the average English-language reader). I presume that press freedom was restored either at some particular date or gradually over some period shortly after 1985, but I don't know the details. Can someone please fill in this missing piece? - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
As the section of education is becoming more complete, some attention to its inclusions and structure is needed. About higher education, this template page of the spanish wikipedia has it right: es:Anexo:Universidades de Uruguay. However a paragraph or two about primary and secondary education before the higher in each sector would be good. Hoverfish Talk 01:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Who the heck is Saenz-Zumarán? No obvious hits from Google. Is it possible that this was a house owned at different times by someone named Saenz and someone else named Zumarán? Or what? - Jmabel | Talk 07:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need to say that Parque Rodó "is particularly busy on a Sunday." Presumably a busy day for most parks. Not the sort of thing we need to say in an already long article on an entire city, unless there is something particularly special about Sunday in that park, in which case we should say what is special. - Jmabel | Talk 04:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, does the following (uncited) paragraph really belong in an encyclopedia?
La Rambla, South of the Gulf of Montevideo, provides a great environment during the afternoon for all kinds of people to do a big variety of things, such as jogging, walking, biking, drinking mate with someone, fishing, taking a sunbath, play with kites and even skateboarding and roller skateboarding in given areas for these two last activities. The avenue is highly secured by the Tourism Police Unit during the summer to keep a safe environment for the tourists there.
If we want to say something to this effect, can't we find something citable (and better written) and quote it? - Jmabel | Talk 05:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and I have no idea what "roller skateboarding" might be. We already mentioned "skateboarding," so it's presumably not that. Perhaps "roller skating"? - Jmabel | Talk 05:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
"the oldest and ones most prominent theatres in South America." Does this mean "the oldest and one of the most prominent theatres in South America"? or "the oldest and once most prominent theatre in South America"? or something else? - Jmabel | Talk 22:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
And an ambiguous one: "In 1816 [the library's] stock was 5,000 volumes, together with donations of Larrañaga and José Raimundo Guerra, as well as others from the Convent of San Francisco in Salta." Should "together with" here be "including," or are these in addition to the 5,000, in which case what was the total? - Jmabel | Talk 01:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
2 questions in the section on authors:
- Jmabel | Talk 01:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
"Cardiloo, one of the country's leading artists". I suspect that "Cardiloo" is a typo for "Cardillo," meaning Rimer Cardillo. Right?
"The Palacio Taranco... was erected... in the early 20th century... This colonial building...": If it is a 20th century building, in what sense is it "colonial"? - Jmabel | Talk 05:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
" El Fogon... is set in a brightly lit, well-mirrored parillada." I gather that parillada must have a meaning I don't know, because to me parillada is grilled/barbecued meat. The restaurant is certainly not set in a meat dish! - Jmabel | Talk 20:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Hospital de Clínicas "Dr. Manuel Quintela" is described as "a general reference institution." This is not an expression used in English. What is it intended to mean? - Jmabel | Talk 06:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Further, the same hospital is described as being "on 23 floors arranged with one side facing north." Now if it had three sides facing north, that would be worth remarking on, but don't most buildings have one side facing north? What, if anything, does this mean to say? - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
With reference to Hospital Vilardebó: "Today the hospital is very deteriorated, with broken walls and floors, lack of medicines, beds, and rooms for the officials." I have no clear idea what is meant here by "rooms for the officials." "Officials" in English is rarely used outside of the context either of (1) referees and administrators in sports or (2) government dignitaries or government authorities. Does this simply mean "administrators" here, or something else? - Jmabel | Talk 06:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
& I don't understand you new sentence "In both sectors, medical services are provided by polyclinics, including emergencies, and hospitals or sanatoria." "including emergencies" is kind of dangling there: it's not clear included in what. - Jmabel | Talk 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The article talks about General Artigas Central Station being closed, then says "...Montevideo had a historic 19th century railway station located six blocks from the central business district facing the harbour..." Are these the same station? If so, we should reword accordingly. If not, we should give the name of the latter station. - Jmabel | Talk 03:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I've made a pass through the whole article, copyedited what I could, and noted here the issues I couldn't quickly resolve (many of which others, Hoverfish especially, have now fixed). I'll keep an eye on this for a few more days (assuming that a few more loose ends will be dealt with) but after that if someone wants my help please ask on my user talk page, because I don't really maintain a watchlist on en-wiki.
A few things that should be addressed besides specifics that have been noted:
- Jmabel | Talk 06:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
IP user 190.135.180.119 (Montevideo) blanked a part of Religion section on the Mormons. I did not revert, although this was undiscussed, for the following reasons: 1) the blanked section reads like an advertisment for the said church, 2) the whole section on Religion needs to take in consideration the multiplicity of faiths practiced in Montevideo in a proper way, not just by interjecting another faith's temple. As it is, we cover only the Catholic church. Note that there is no "official religion" in Uruguay today, although the historic ties are predominantly Catholic. I see nowhere a mention of all the other faiths practiced. Hoverfish Talk 10:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I live in Montevideo, and speake some english, enough to translate english - spanish (sadly, not backwards) but if you need some help, please ask me in my talk. I use to be in en:WP often because I used to translate articles to es:WP. Cheers. -- Andreateletrabajo ( talk) 00:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
In the lede: "It is home to the longest Carnival in the world." Does this mean the oldest currently active carnival, the one that lasts for the most days each year, or what? - Jmabel | Talk 20:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Duration I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
The supposed "academic origin", “Monte-VI-D-E-O”.' (Monte V'I De Este a Oeste) seems to be cited from rather weak sources, and none of them indicate anything about who put forth this hypothesis. - Jmabel | Talk 22:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
You are right. I have translated it from the spanish article and carried over the citations without checking them. I will have to look in a library, but until I find a source for it, what do you think is best to do? Hoverfish Talk 01:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is one article written by "Ariel Collazo, Ex legislator", where it is attributed directly to "Rolando Laguarda Trías, professor of History of the Armed Forces": [7] (see 4th paragraph). Hoverfish Talk 01:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Nice article. Thanks (and congrats). I linked it in demographics. I will look if there are more articles to link in this section. Hoverfish Talk 01:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to focus on copyedits & probably raising more questions where it's not clear. I hope no one minds I don't get heavily into resolving the issues I may raise. I'm more focused at the Commons these days. - Jmabel | Talk 00:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
In the 19th century section:
Jmabel. PLease edit out or alter what you think is problematic. Anybody would think this was a GA review. Its still early days...♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Personally, I am glad this is going on and thankful to Gmabel for his time. I would like to see the copyedit all the way through. I translated some parts and the original was vague in some places; additionally, my English is not perfect at all. What is wrong if we get it closer to a GA now that we have such participation? Please note that when I was translating and when I saw parts of the other translations I had similar thoughts. Hoverfish Talk 11:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I am currently scouting for sources that support and complete the arguments given. Some of the citiations are not helpful. I will either complete or modify the problematic parts of remove them. Otherwise I am a naive reader and couldn't possibly do what Gmabel is doing, so I need it to guide my actions. Hoverfish Talk 12:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh I'm happy Jmabelis making suggestions for improvement too, it definately needs a major copyedit and improvement before GA...♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, then, I'll resume. - Jmabel | Talk 04:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
"The Junta, composed of 31 elected and honorary members..." Not sure what is intended by "honorary" here, but it's probably the wrong word. Presumably they are either "ex officio members" (holding their positions on the Junta by virtue of some other post they hold) or "appointed members" (named to their positions by some official or body). An "honorary" member would suggest someone who had certain privileges of a member but wasn't really a member in the usual sense. See for comparison honorary degree or citizenship#honorary citizenship. - Jmabel | Talk 04:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Similarly, in the list of Intendants of Montevideo: "Elect members of the Concejo Departamental", "Elect" is probably not the right word, but I'm not sure what is meant. Possibly "Elected members..."? "Several members"? Something else? "Elect" as an adjective before the noun in English tends to mean "chosen" only in the sense of "God's chosen ones" or some secular equivalent (although it can also be used ironically), but seems unlikely in this context. (By the way, "elect" as an adjective after the noun in English means "elected but not yet serving" as in "president elect"). - Jmabel | Talk 05:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
In the begining of the section "Religion" says:
The main religion in Uruguay is Roman Catholicism and has been since the foundation of the city. The city is part of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montevideo which was created as the Apostolic Vicariate of Montevideo in 1830...
As you should say, Uruguay have no official religion, therefore catholicism is not the main religion but is the widest religion if we do not count the atheist people (around half or more of the population). Besides this: "the city is part of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montevideo..." do not sounds good, because the city is not part of any church because the religious organizations and the state does not have any relationship.
In this wikipedia, you only focuses in the catholic church, but, what about evangelical church in montevideo? and the judaism? Another worship you forgot is the ´umbandismo', a syncretism with some of people who believe in it, which came from Brazil and Africa.
-- Zerabat ( talk) 03:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
You are correct. I have done some modifications to the direction you pointed out. However, in Wikipedia there is no "you" who focuses in this or that. Some editors who consider Catholisism as important have done these edits, others who consider other faiths, or no-faiths as important can do other edits. The common rule here is that these edits should be based in citations and not on editors' "know it to be so", as is very often done in Uruguayan topcis in the Spanish Wikipedia. Hoverfish Talk 14:24, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
The citation I offered from the National Institute of Statistics, states that in 2006, in Montevideo, there were 22.7% of people who professed as atheist and agnostic together, so I find your statement "around half or more of the population" as an unsupported claim. This is what I mean that we cannot write things because we "know them to be so". Some notable source has to say so and we have to attribute what we say to this source. Hoverfish Talk 14:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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