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I split the "Armenia" section into a several smaller ones, as it was overly long and written as an almost single block of text. Augustgrahl
Please remove the Azeri flag at the place of his death so as not to inflame passions. Moreover, give the proper name of his place of death as Artsakh. It has, since the dawn of time, been called Artsakh. Nobody, as far as Armenians living in the region, call it by Stalin's designated name for the region. Thank you kindly. Please don't inflame passions by bating and having his enemies' designated name or flag for the region so we may all discuss these issues calmly. Moreover, please put back the factual similarities to his life and the movie "Borne Identity." Nobody is saying the novel was inspired by his life. All that needs to be recognized is that his factual circumstances had factual similarities with the novel. Please don't twist words to imply otherwise. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
JohnInDC, Agdam district is not even in Nagorno Karabakh which was claimed by Armenians. It's in lower Karabakh. It's an occupied territory of Azerbaijan. Please make research on yahoo or google and you will see. Don't be victim of this user's false information. Dighapet ( talk) 19:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes but you can help as neutral person. He claims his position, I claim the opposite, you as a neutral person can help by making research online seeing reliable neutral sources and according to them correcting article information. so, please help. Dighapet ( talk) 19:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
A discussion on the merits of including the line about Melkonian being denounced as a terrorist would probably be more productive than the current edit war. -- Augustgrahl 21:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it is clear some users just to try polish Melkonian biography. He is well-known in Europe as a terrorist, and I put some referenced info. More you can find in books about the history of various terrorist groups. What we should discuss?-- Dacy69 22:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
from WP:WTA The words terrorism and terrorist may be cited where there is a verifiable and cited indication of who is calling a person or group terrorist. I have sources where he is called terrorist. And US Dept. State Report "Pattern of Global Terrorism" of 1986 mentioned him among listing of terrorist activities by Armenian organizations (page 29)-- Dacy69 14:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
We can rephrase a sentence - but 'denounce' - this is exactly word used on many websites about him. So, we can put 'define', 'listed', etc. But the fact is that he was a terrorist and involved in terrorist activity during certain part of his life, at least.-- Dacy69 04:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I do think that Monte was a terrorist. He just struggled for the rehabilitation of the rights of the Armenians, he just wanted to defend his people, he just wanted to make the all-Armenian dream come true. (a STUDENT FROM Armenia, 16.02.07)
The 1986 report doesn't say he was a terrorist. It says that he was convicted of forgery and weapon possession charges. Vartanm 23:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
In the report his activity was listed among terrorist one. Who he is then? let's not play with words. Besides I don't see a reason why we can reject Brogan and other websites where Melkonian is called 'terrorist'.
And now back - about mediation. Such disputes might be endless. I made a formal offer and wait for certain time. I don't afraid of it. I have every reason to believe that I can prove my case. You, of course, can reject mediation.-- Dacy69 03:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Such disputes might be endless because of your continuation of vandalizing Armenian articles. It's obvious that you're trying to push your POV. Prove your case in the talk page. Vartanm 05:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that I proved my edit. It is indeed a section of Monte's activity in NK should be deleted because it is not referenced at all. Be careful with wird vandalization. You and other users just want to clean up terrorists. I will file arbitration request and let other people judge.-- Dacy69 21:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Jason Borne, in the movie "Borne Identity" was also depicted as a terrorist. Don't be fooled by labels. Can we have the a link to show that "Abu Sindi", "Timothy Sean McCormack", and "Saro" gave inspiration, or shall we say, that Hollywood stole Monte's identity? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Below is my posting from ArbCom page, which lists all relevant links to State Department quotes.
Plushttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Monte_Melkonian&action=edit§ion=3 Editing Talk:Monte Melkonian (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other internet pages where Melkonian identified as terrorists
a bunch of other websites-- Dacy69 17:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Dacy your source is publishers review of the book "My Brothers Road" which doesn't say that he was a terrorist. Stop editing this article without discussion. Vartanm 19:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
ASALA has its own article. If readers want to know more about ASALA, they can read the ASALA article. Sources on ASALA on Monte Melkonian page are unnessesary. Vartanm 19:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't be fooled by labels. Monte was "Jason Borne" as in the movie "Borne Identity." Can we have a link to show how Hollywood stole his identity? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
And you removed a tag in section NK without discussion.-- Dacy69 20:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put request for third opinion before proceeding to arbitration since you have refused mediation [4]-- Dacy69 20:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Dacy69 21:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I am not playing with words. I just mentioned that I am not proposing to put "Melkonian was a terrorist" even I believe that he is. For Wikipedia I propose another wording, which I have also shown above.-- Dacy69 22:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Before a third party opinion is given
They should take a look at this. [6] Dacy69 is one of the main users causing Armenian-Azeri edit waring. Adding controversial and biased information to Armenian related articles including this one. Vartanm 23:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This is blatant accusation. It is is you and like-minded people who push Armenian shauvinistic POV. I requested several times assistance and offered mediation on this and other pages. None is done by Armenian editors. please read carefully whole arbitration statements. see for insults and threats of edit war from Armenian editors. Everything is there-- Dacy69 17:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Your Sources'
Vartanm 19:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The matter about terrorism is that there are some intermediate states between "clearly terrorism" and "clearly not terrorism". It would be necessary to write the matter in a neutral way, and add a section on the perception of the ASALA state with respect to terrorism.-- Uyet Ustranimii 20:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
That section does not cite its sources (which should be neutral) and information about the war in Nagorno-Karabakh is not in conformity with NPOV-- Dacy69 17:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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It was more than 2 months.-- Dacy69 19:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In April 1993 He gave an interview to a British journalist. In which he said "Azerbaijan has expansionist designs which go way beyond Artsakh and include the take over of Zangezour, the southern part of present day Armenia . So we know very well that if we don't resist here, the war will continue into what is known as Armenia right now". The video of said interview can be found at the bottom of this article. Youtube video #2 at 4 min mark. Vartanm 22:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Good! you, who simply claim everywhere that this is Azeri POV on my and other's edit, just produced an example of strict POV. You need to get acquainted with Wiki rules, especially those related to NPOV, POV and OR. Here is no place for assumptions. Strict facts and referenced opinion. There is a bunch of opinions on both sides of border (Azerbaijan and Armenia) that opposite side is going to expand its territory up to the end of earth. In Wiki article we need to state facts and NPOV.
And it will be good if in section NK we get references to neutral sources. The whole section is just fiction, whch should be deleted.-- Dacy69 20:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I am here responsible for myself and not for Adil or someone else. You are welcome to improve the article with neutral sources like I btw provided. And maybe this article was locked because of your reverts.-- Dacy69 04:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC) You are welcome to improve
It is only your POV. I believe they are perfectly relevant because they mention terrorist Melkonian.
As I suggested, we need third party involvement. No one cared to provide third party opinion even I've put a note on the relevant page. I haven't filed mediation request because this case now under consideration of arbitration committee. Let's see what their desicion will be.-- Dacy69 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what else do you call a person who commits mass attacks against civilian people. I mean, if it's a "freedom fighter", he is definitely not one, as in pursuing his goal he was restricting the freedom of other, innocent, people to live. Actually, this person also quite well fits Turkophobia category, which will be added to the article now. Atabek 05:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's definitely not a Turkophobe.
Turkophobia is the fear of the growing Muslim and Turkish communities in Europe. That category is being severely misused as I have seen your past contributions add it to articles such as ASALA and other affiliated Armenian guerrilla fighters. Melkonian never expressed any hatred or "fear" of Turks and actually was quite compassionate to Azerbaijanis during the war.Armenians who took part in those attacks were doing it less out of hatred for Turks and more for hatred against Turkish-sponsored denial of the Genocide.
Unless you have some direct proof showing Melkonian going off on a tirade about how much he hated Turks and wanted to kill every which one, that cat is going to be yanked. The same goes for all other articles that have been listed under this category.-- MarshallBagramyan 05:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
You are interpreting Melkonian's book and his brother's intentions. His brother wanted to target Turkish officials who worked in concert with the Turkish government to deny the genocide. Peaceful resistance against the denial began in 1965, not the 1990s, and after lobbying and protests failed after some time, some Armenians took part in terrorist attacks to compel Turkey's government to accept what it had done. Some Armenians joined all for the money, while most did it out of frustration against the denial.
You have yet to offer any sources, thus justifying the exclusion of that ridiculous cat. -- MarshallBagramyan 16:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok....that's still your own interpretation filled with conjecture and with no clear proof. Melkonian never expressed a hatred against Turks and in fact sympathized with the Turkish leftist-Marxist movement of the 1970s and his notable treatment of Azerbaijanis during the conflict.-- MarshallBagramyan 20:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Melkonian was nowhere near Khojaly and for your information, he condemned the fact that Armenian soldiers fired upon them while they were fleeing through the pass. And please rein in your sockpuppets.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::sigh:: In his biography, there is an entire chapter called "No Discipline", a phrase Melknonian uses when describing the actions of some of the men after the battle. The pseudo claim of Turkophobia is still going to be left out; as of yet, you have offered nothing but your personal interpretations. -- MarshallBagramyan 16:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Before anybody flips out and goes for the "History" tab, I want to say that I removed much of the content on the article not because there was anything particularly wrong with it (it did however have some POV problems and prose errors) but that the organization of it was messy and it's much better to work on these articles from the ground up (i.e., from Melkonian's early life to his war years and finally, death). The article was also missing many sources so I also hope to fix this by using a combination of sources primarily drawn from Markar Melkonian's biography of his brother but also news articles and journals.
I will hope that the article will soon reach FA status similar to the Ivan Bagramyan page so I'm very open to suggestions and critiques. Much thanks and with regards, -- Marshal Bagramyan 06:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Irukan 06:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC) I think it will be much better to prepare fixed version of the article and then to replace existing variant by it, when it will be ready (It can take a lot of time). Meanwhile it will be better to leave the article in it's last edition. It will be also good stimul to prepare fixed variant ASAP. Sorry.
Reverted the IP's addition of the Words to Avoid. VartanM ( talk) 20:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Moreover, are you kidding about FA? There are a whole host of issues that need to be resolved. In particular, calling the place of his death as Karabagh instead of its true name and flag of Artsakh. I think it would be more accurate and proper to call the region Artsakh instead of Stalin's given name of Karabakh. Don't you agree? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 18:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted several of your edits to the subject page, for several reasons. First, your use of the term Artsakh to describe the place of his death may or may not be supported by the source, already in the article, that identifies where he died. Second, the term Artsakh appears - judging by the very Wikipedia page to which you linked - to be an ancient designation for the area, and not its present day name (except perhaps to local inhabitants). Third, your surmises about The Bourne Identity are just that. If Monte was the model for Jason Bourne, please find a reliable source who says so - then perhaps it can be woven into the article. In short the edits seem to violate a variety of Wikipedia policies and I ask that you not insert them again. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we should both take up with WP:EAR? However, I believe inflaming passions and engaging in bating also violates policy. Therefore, please revert back my edits so as not to insult and inflame passions as the region has always been called Artsakh since the dawn of time. You seem to be biased on having the Azeri flag and improper name of the region. My sources were within Wikpedia. To call it improper is bind boggling. Please discuss. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
That is true about WIkpedia. Therefore, I should go to Wikpedia and pull up the sources and call it by what the people of the region call it. Would you be agreeable to having the sources of the name of the location be called Artsakh if the sources are not strictly from Wikpedia? Morevoer, would you be agreeable in not having the inhabitant's enemy's flag placed at his place of his death so as not to inflame passions and appear as though you are bating? Do you see how your editing might be interpreted as bias? Moreover, would you be agreeable in identifying the factual similarities between the movie Borne Identity and Monte Melkonian's life without stating that the movie or novel were inspired by his life? Thank you kindly. I think things would really be discussed calmly if you first remove the Azeri flag so as not to give the appearance of bias. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the place of his birth is problematic. I do agree with the naming conventions for sources and will do as suggested. With regards to the Borne reference, I do see how it is an observation without sources. However, I know this may be a political solution, but references to Borne really quell concerns about bias (not that I am accusing you of it) the emphatic order to the references of ASLA. I think more emphasis to his disenchantment with ASLA and his quest to find his identity should be more emphasized so as not to have his perceived enemies define his identity. I hope I addressed some of their concerns. Thx again. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 20:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I recommend otherwise. Semper Fi Macbeth. Moreover, could we start off in his youth rather than the emphatic order of his great conquests? Just a thought. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 21:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Bourne? :-))) next thing this user will compare to will be the Terminator or Rambo :-)) Monte is known as an international terrorist. Google search Monte Melkonian and you will see who he is. Very simple. If someone wants to make him a hero, should make him a hero in his dreams, not Wikipedia. Dighapet ( talk) 21:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Please refrain from your inflammatory remarks on this discussion page. Moreover, he eliminated a lot of Turks, Azeris, Isrealis, perhaps some Marines as well. Don't know. He was a solid Killer and hero. An Angel of Death (if you will) Somebody that a lot of young Armenian boys would have emulated. I would like to see a body count. However, that might be inflammatory as well. Nevertheless, could we start off with his youth so as to get a timeline? The article appears disjointed. It is almost like Quinten Tarantino movie. Moreover, why is there a discrepancy as to his place of death being Azerbadeljan instead Nagorno-Karabagh? Does an editor have particular information we don't? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I suggest you never put smily faces on professional soldiers and killers. They might come back to haunt you in Lebanon or other far off lands. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 01:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Another thing I forgot to mention is that the Azeri forces hired the Taliban to fight Mekonian and the Armenian forces. Your comments are highly inflammatory to the United States Marine Corps. I suggest you do some further reading to understand this topic really well. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 01:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Could I get a neutral point of view by a neutral editor regarding his place of death as Nagorno-Karabagh. I keep encountering an editor, without explanation, putting Azerbadeljan as place of death instead of Nagorno-Karabagh. Thx very much. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Well if no one has a point of view on my inquiry, I will be making some changes. I guess there is no dispute as to how I change the emphatic order of his biography. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 23:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok but the problem is that the village where it is located is not even in NK which is claimed by Armenians and it is even NOT occupied now. Please go to Merzili page and you will see. Dighapet ( talk) 23:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
On place of death Azerbaijanis want Azerbaijan Armenians want Nagorno Karabakh Republic Cant you all settle on just Nagorno Karabakh? It avoids political lebels, and instead uses geographic ones. Mark Barsky ( talk) 06:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
This part does not cite any sources and appear to be heavily POVed. Need someone with interest / expertise to revise it. Leminh91 ( talk) 22:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I took out the following (while some of these might be worth adding, I think they should be referenced and properly spelled):
==Quotes== − "The azeris are arming two armies: theirs and ours". − − "May god keep Elchibey in good health". − − "Now we've reached the Kelbajar road, when we want to, we'll advance. The issue is whether or not we want to. We'd prefer if the peaceful population gets out of this place safely, and then we'll advance. But it looks like their soldiers won't allow it. So maybe we'll start up again". − − "There are no boots on their feet.Our boys don't have boots, so when we hit an azeri, we take his shoes". − − ""Every Armenian,every single Armenian has a right to be in Martuni, to have a voice in Martuni, to work in Martuni and defend it". − − "The Azerbaijan government has clearly decided to empty the armenians out, and therefore there is no choice but to resist". − − "We don't have the right to lose in this war". − − Bold text==Quotes about Monte== − *"Monte won't let the enemy set foot on our land". − − *"Monte doesn't say charge! He says follow me". −
− − *"Where Monte:Where victory!". − − *"Monte?? : The god of Armenia".
-- Morel ( talk) 16:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Melkonian was imprisoned on charges of terrorism. Just read the preamble of the article: "In ASALA, he took part in the assassinations of several Turkish diplomats in Europe during the early to mid-1980s and was later arrested and sent to prison in France.". Please discuss before removing appropriate category. -- Interfase ( talk) 12:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
It dosen't says anything. This is not the Azerbaijani Wikipedia where you can present him as a terrorist, starting the article in this way; "Monte Melkonian - Armenian terrorist". No need to add fake categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.130.33.96 ( talk) 12:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Monte Melkonian preceded me as an archaeology student at U.C. Berkeley by a fewyears. His pathological sense of duty turned him into a terrorist assassin for the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA). Source: John Brady Kiesling. "Diplomacy Lessons. Realism for an Unloved Superpower". Potomac Books, Inc., 2006. Page 298. ISBN 9781597970174.
One of the very few American-born members of ASALA was Monte Melkonian. He led the splinter movement against Hagopian's wing, which had been responsible for the Orly terror bombing. Melkonian was probably the most articulate of the participation in the Armenian terrorist movements. Source: The encyclopedia of the modern Middle East. V. I. Page 227. ISBN 9780028970615.
azeri propagandists are constantly trying to spread their propaganda, claiming Monte was beheaded by ibad huseynov. Monte had an open casket funeral which alone debunks this ridiculous claim. azer general talib mammadov even stated huseynov did not kill Monte. [9] Stop trying to spread this BS. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 06:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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I split the "Armenia" section into a several smaller ones, as it was overly long and written as an almost single block of text. Augustgrahl
Please remove the Azeri flag at the place of his death so as not to inflame passions. Moreover, give the proper name of his place of death as Artsakh. It has, since the dawn of time, been called Artsakh. Nobody, as far as Armenians living in the region, call it by Stalin's designated name for the region. Thank you kindly. Please don't inflame passions by bating and having his enemies' designated name or flag for the region so we may all discuss these issues calmly. Moreover, please put back the factual similarities to his life and the movie "Borne Identity." Nobody is saying the novel was inspired by his life. All that needs to be recognized is that his factual circumstances had factual similarities with the novel. Please don't twist words to imply otherwise. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
JohnInDC, Agdam district is not even in Nagorno Karabakh which was claimed by Armenians. It's in lower Karabakh. It's an occupied territory of Azerbaijan. Please make research on yahoo or google and you will see. Don't be victim of this user's false information. Dighapet ( talk) 19:31, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes but you can help as neutral person. He claims his position, I claim the opposite, you as a neutral person can help by making research online seeing reliable neutral sources and according to them correcting article information. so, please help. Dighapet ( talk) 19:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
A discussion on the merits of including the line about Melkonian being denounced as a terrorist would probably be more productive than the current edit war. -- Augustgrahl 21:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it is clear some users just to try polish Melkonian biography. He is well-known in Europe as a terrorist, and I put some referenced info. More you can find in books about the history of various terrorist groups. What we should discuss?-- Dacy69 22:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
from WP:WTA The words terrorism and terrorist may be cited where there is a verifiable and cited indication of who is calling a person or group terrorist. I have sources where he is called terrorist. And US Dept. State Report "Pattern of Global Terrorism" of 1986 mentioned him among listing of terrorist activities by Armenian organizations (page 29)-- Dacy69 14:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
We can rephrase a sentence - but 'denounce' - this is exactly word used on many websites about him. So, we can put 'define', 'listed', etc. But the fact is that he was a terrorist and involved in terrorist activity during certain part of his life, at least.-- Dacy69 04:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I do think that Monte was a terrorist. He just struggled for the rehabilitation of the rights of the Armenians, he just wanted to defend his people, he just wanted to make the all-Armenian dream come true. (a STUDENT FROM Armenia, 16.02.07)
The 1986 report doesn't say he was a terrorist. It says that he was convicted of forgery and weapon possession charges. Vartanm 23:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
In the report his activity was listed among terrorist one. Who he is then? let's not play with words. Besides I don't see a reason why we can reject Brogan and other websites where Melkonian is called 'terrorist'.
And now back - about mediation. Such disputes might be endless. I made a formal offer and wait for certain time. I don't afraid of it. I have every reason to believe that I can prove my case. You, of course, can reject mediation.-- Dacy69 03:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Such disputes might be endless because of your continuation of vandalizing Armenian articles. It's obvious that you're trying to push your POV. Prove your case in the talk page. Vartanm 05:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe that I proved my edit. It is indeed a section of Monte's activity in NK should be deleted because it is not referenced at all. Be careful with wird vandalization. You and other users just want to clean up terrorists. I will file arbitration request and let other people judge.-- Dacy69 21:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Jason Borne, in the movie "Borne Identity" was also depicted as a terrorist. Don't be fooled by labels. Can we have the a link to show that "Abu Sindi", "Timothy Sean McCormack", and "Saro" gave inspiration, or shall we say, that Hollywood stole Monte's identity? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Below is my posting from ArbCom page, which lists all relevant links to State Department quotes.
Plushttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Monte_Melkonian&action=edit§ion=3 Editing Talk:Monte Melkonian (section) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Other internet pages where Melkonian identified as terrorists
a bunch of other websites-- Dacy69 17:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Dacy your source is publishers review of the book "My Brothers Road" which doesn't say that he was a terrorist. Stop editing this article without discussion. Vartanm 19:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
ASALA has its own article. If readers want to know more about ASALA, they can read the ASALA article. Sources on ASALA on Monte Melkonian page are unnessesary. Vartanm 19:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't be fooled by labels. Monte was "Jason Borne" as in the movie "Borne Identity." Can we have a link to show how Hollywood stole his identity? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
And you removed a tag in section NK without discussion.-- Dacy69 20:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put request for third opinion before proceeding to arbitration since you have refused mediation [4]-- Dacy69 20:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Dacy69 21:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I am not playing with words. I just mentioned that I am not proposing to put "Melkonian was a terrorist" even I believe that he is. For Wikipedia I propose another wording, which I have also shown above.-- Dacy69 22:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Before a third party opinion is given
They should take a look at this. [6] Dacy69 is one of the main users causing Armenian-Azeri edit waring. Adding controversial and biased information to Armenian related articles including this one. Vartanm 23:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This is blatant accusation. It is is you and like-minded people who push Armenian shauvinistic POV. I requested several times assistance and offered mediation on this and other pages. None is done by Armenian editors. please read carefully whole arbitration statements. see for insults and threats of edit war from Armenian editors. Everything is there-- Dacy69 17:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Your Sources'
Vartanm 19:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The matter about terrorism is that there are some intermediate states between "clearly terrorism" and "clearly not terrorism". It would be necessary to write the matter in a neutral way, and add a section on the perception of the ASALA state with respect to terrorism.-- Uyet Ustranimii 20:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
That section does not cite its sources (which should be neutral) and information about the war in Nagorno-Karabakh is not in conformity with NPOV-- Dacy69 17:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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It was more than 2 months.-- Dacy69 19:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
In April 1993 He gave an interview to a British journalist. In which he said "Azerbaijan has expansionist designs which go way beyond Artsakh and include the take over of Zangezour, the southern part of present day Armenia . So we know very well that if we don't resist here, the war will continue into what is known as Armenia right now". The video of said interview can be found at the bottom of this article. Youtube video #2 at 4 min mark. Vartanm 22:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Good! you, who simply claim everywhere that this is Azeri POV on my and other's edit, just produced an example of strict POV. You need to get acquainted with Wiki rules, especially those related to NPOV, POV and OR. Here is no place for assumptions. Strict facts and referenced opinion. There is a bunch of opinions on both sides of border (Azerbaijan and Armenia) that opposite side is going to expand its territory up to the end of earth. In Wiki article we need to state facts and NPOV.
And it will be good if in section NK we get references to neutral sources. The whole section is just fiction, whch should be deleted.-- Dacy69 20:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I am here responsible for myself and not for Adil or someone else. You are welcome to improve the article with neutral sources like I btw provided. And maybe this article was locked because of your reverts.-- Dacy69 04:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC) You are welcome to improve
It is only your POV. I believe they are perfectly relevant because they mention terrorist Melkonian.
As I suggested, we need third party involvement. No one cared to provide third party opinion even I've put a note on the relevant page. I haven't filed mediation request because this case now under consideration of arbitration committee. Let's see what their desicion will be.-- Dacy69 04:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what else do you call a person who commits mass attacks against civilian people. I mean, if it's a "freedom fighter", he is definitely not one, as in pursuing his goal he was restricting the freedom of other, innocent, people to live. Actually, this person also quite well fits Turkophobia category, which will be added to the article now. Atabek 05:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's definitely not a Turkophobe.
Turkophobia is the fear of the growing Muslim and Turkish communities in Europe. That category is being severely misused as I have seen your past contributions add it to articles such as ASALA and other affiliated Armenian guerrilla fighters. Melkonian never expressed any hatred or "fear" of Turks and actually was quite compassionate to Azerbaijanis during the war.Armenians who took part in those attacks were doing it less out of hatred for Turks and more for hatred against Turkish-sponsored denial of the Genocide.
Unless you have some direct proof showing Melkonian going off on a tirade about how much he hated Turks and wanted to kill every which one, that cat is going to be yanked. The same goes for all other articles that have been listed under this category.-- MarshallBagramyan 05:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
You are interpreting Melkonian's book and his brother's intentions. His brother wanted to target Turkish officials who worked in concert with the Turkish government to deny the genocide. Peaceful resistance against the denial began in 1965, not the 1990s, and after lobbying and protests failed after some time, some Armenians took part in terrorist attacks to compel Turkey's government to accept what it had done. Some Armenians joined all for the money, while most did it out of frustration against the denial.
You have yet to offer any sources, thus justifying the exclusion of that ridiculous cat. -- MarshallBagramyan 16:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok....that's still your own interpretation filled with conjecture and with no clear proof. Melkonian never expressed a hatred against Turks and in fact sympathized with the Turkish leftist-Marxist movement of the 1970s and his notable treatment of Azerbaijanis during the conflict.-- MarshallBagramyan 20:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Melkonian was nowhere near Khojaly and for your information, he condemned the fact that Armenian soldiers fired upon them while they were fleeing through the pass. And please rein in your sockpuppets.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::sigh:: In his biography, there is an entire chapter called "No Discipline", a phrase Melknonian uses when describing the actions of some of the men after the battle. The pseudo claim of Turkophobia is still going to be left out; as of yet, you have offered nothing but your personal interpretations. -- MarshallBagramyan 16:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Before anybody flips out and goes for the "History" tab, I want to say that I removed much of the content on the article not because there was anything particularly wrong with it (it did however have some POV problems and prose errors) but that the organization of it was messy and it's much better to work on these articles from the ground up (i.e., from Melkonian's early life to his war years and finally, death). The article was also missing many sources so I also hope to fix this by using a combination of sources primarily drawn from Markar Melkonian's biography of his brother but also news articles and journals.
I will hope that the article will soon reach FA status similar to the Ivan Bagramyan page so I'm very open to suggestions and critiques. Much thanks and with regards, -- Marshal Bagramyan 06:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Irukan 06:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC) I think it will be much better to prepare fixed version of the article and then to replace existing variant by it, when it will be ready (It can take a lot of time). Meanwhile it will be better to leave the article in it's last edition. It will be also good stimul to prepare fixed variant ASAP. Sorry.
Reverted the IP's addition of the Words to Avoid. VartanM ( talk) 20:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Moreover, are you kidding about FA? There are a whole host of issues that need to be resolved. In particular, calling the place of his death as Karabagh instead of its true name and flag of Artsakh. I think it would be more accurate and proper to call the region Artsakh instead of Stalin's given name of Karabakh. Don't you agree? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 18:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted several of your edits to the subject page, for several reasons. First, your use of the term Artsakh to describe the place of his death may or may not be supported by the source, already in the article, that identifies where he died. Second, the term Artsakh appears - judging by the very Wikipedia page to which you linked - to be an ancient designation for the area, and not its present day name (except perhaps to local inhabitants). Third, your surmises about The Bourne Identity are just that. If Monte was the model for Jason Bourne, please find a reliable source who says so - then perhaps it can be woven into the article. In short the edits seem to violate a variety of Wikipedia policies and I ask that you not insert them again. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we should both take up with WP:EAR? However, I believe inflaming passions and engaging in bating also violates policy. Therefore, please revert back my edits so as not to insult and inflame passions as the region has always been called Artsakh since the dawn of time. You seem to be biased on having the Azeri flag and improper name of the region. My sources were within Wikpedia. To call it improper is bind boggling. Please discuss. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
That is true about WIkpedia. Therefore, I should go to Wikpedia and pull up the sources and call it by what the people of the region call it. Would you be agreeable to having the sources of the name of the location be called Artsakh if the sources are not strictly from Wikpedia? Morevoer, would you be agreeable in not having the inhabitant's enemy's flag placed at his place of his death so as not to inflame passions and appear as though you are bating? Do you see how your editing might be interpreted as bias? Moreover, would you be agreeable in identifying the factual similarities between the movie Borne Identity and Monte Melkonian's life without stating that the movie or novel were inspired by his life? Thank you kindly. I think things would really be discussed calmly if you first remove the Azeri flag so as not to give the appearance of bias. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 19:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the place of his birth is problematic. I do agree with the naming conventions for sources and will do as suggested. With regards to the Borne reference, I do see how it is an observation without sources. However, I know this may be a political solution, but references to Borne really quell concerns about bias (not that I am accusing you of it) the emphatic order to the references of ASLA. I think more emphasis to his disenchantment with ASLA and his quest to find his identity should be more emphasized so as not to have his perceived enemies define his identity. I hope I addressed some of their concerns. Thx again. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 20:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I recommend otherwise. Semper Fi Macbeth. Moreover, could we start off in his youth rather than the emphatic order of his great conquests? Just a thought. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 21:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Bourne? :-))) next thing this user will compare to will be the Terminator or Rambo :-)) Monte is known as an international terrorist. Google search Monte Melkonian and you will see who he is. Very simple. If someone wants to make him a hero, should make him a hero in his dreams, not Wikipedia. Dighapet ( talk) 21:20, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Please refrain from your inflammatory remarks on this discussion page. Moreover, he eliminated a lot of Turks, Azeris, Isrealis, perhaps some Marines as well. Don't know. He was a solid Killer and hero. An Angel of Death (if you will) Somebody that a lot of young Armenian boys would have emulated. I would like to see a body count. However, that might be inflammatory as well. Nevertheless, could we start off with his youth so as to get a timeline? The article appears disjointed. It is almost like Quinten Tarantino movie. Moreover, why is there a discrepancy as to his place of death being Azerbadeljan instead Nagorno-Karabagh? Does an editor have particular information we don't? Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I suggest you never put smily faces on professional soldiers and killers. They might come back to haunt you in Lebanon or other far off lands. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 01:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Another thing I forgot to mention is that the Azeri forces hired the Taliban to fight Mekonian and the Armenian forces. Your comments are highly inflammatory to the United States Marine Corps. I suggest you do some further reading to understand this topic really well. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 01:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Could I get a neutral point of view by a neutral editor regarding his place of death as Nagorno-Karabagh. I keep encountering an editor, without explanation, putting Azerbadeljan as place of death instead of Nagorno-Karabagh. Thx very much. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 22:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Well if no one has a point of view on my inquiry, I will be making some changes. I guess there is no dispute as to how I change the emphatic order of his biography. Semper Fi Macbeth. Monte Melkonian ( talk) 23:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok but the problem is that the village where it is located is not even in NK which is claimed by Armenians and it is even NOT occupied now. Please go to Merzili page and you will see. Dighapet ( talk) 23:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
On place of death Azerbaijanis want Azerbaijan Armenians want Nagorno Karabakh Republic Cant you all settle on just Nagorno Karabakh? It avoids political lebels, and instead uses geographic ones. Mark Barsky ( talk) 06:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
This part does not cite any sources and appear to be heavily POVed. Need someone with interest / expertise to revise it. Leminh91 ( talk) 22:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I took out the following (while some of these might be worth adding, I think they should be referenced and properly spelled):
==Quotes== − "The azeris are arming two armies: theirs and ours". − − "May god keep Elchibey in good health". − − "Now we've reached the Kelbajar road, when we want to, we'll advance. The issue is whether or not we want to. We'd prefer if the peaceful population gets out of this place safely, and then we'll advance. But it looks like their soldiers won't allow it. So maybe we'll start up again". − − "There are no boots on their feet.Our boys don't have boots, so when we hit an azeri, we take his shoes". − − ""Every Armenian,every single Armenian has a right to be in Martuni, to have a voice in Martuni, to work in Martuni and defend it". − − "The Azerbaijan government has clearly decided to empty the armenians out, and therefore there is no choice but to resist". − − "We don't have the right to lose in this war". − − Bold text==Quotes about Monte== − *"Monte won't let the enemy set foot on our land". − − *"Monte doesn't say charge! He says follow me". −
− − *"Where Monte:Where victory!". − − *"Monte?? : The god of Armenia".
-- Morel ( talk) 16:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Melkonian was imprisoned on charges of terrorism. Just read the preamble of the article: "In ASALA, he took part in the assassinations of several Turkish diplomats in Europe during the early to mid-1980s and was later arrested and sent to prison in France.". Please discuss before removing appropriate category. -- Interfase ( talk) 12:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
It dosen't says anything. This is not the Azerbaijani Wikipedia where you can present him as a terrorist, starting the article in this way; "Monte Melkonian - Armenian terrorist". No need to add fake categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.130.33.96 ( talk) 12:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Monte Melkonian preceded me as an archaeology student at U.C. Berkeley by a fewyears. His pathological sense of duty turned him into a terrorist assassin for the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA). Source: John Brady Kiesling. "Diplomacy Lessons. Realism for an Unloved Superpower". Potomac Books, Inc., 2006. Page 298. ISBN 9781597970174.
One of the very few American-born members of ASALA was Monte Melkonian. He led the splinter movement against Hagopian's wing, which had been responsible for the Orly terror bombing. Melkonian was probably the most articulate of the participation in the Armenian terrorist movements. Source: The encyclopedia of the modern Middle East. V. I. Page 227. ISBN 9780028970615.
azeri propagandists are constantly trying to spread their propaganda, claiming Monte was beheaded by ibad huseynov. Monte had an open casket funeral which alone debunks this ridiculous claim. azer general talib mammadov even stated huseynov did not kill Monte. [9] Stop trying to spread this BS. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 06:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
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