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What does an Austronesian have to do something with Mongoloid people. Geeze, some insecure White guys seems to enjoy vandalizing this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.69.38 ( talk) 21:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I suggest changing this article's name from Mongoloid race to simply Mongoloid. As "Mongoloid" should only apply to physical traits and not to modern or historic racial or social groups. And it IS an offensive term when refering to either those who may share the physical traits and actual Mongolians, ie those who live in Mongolia Unumbragach ( talk) 11:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
most retarded pic ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.234.89 ( talk) 23:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Centrum99, I suspect you are an insecure white supremacist with rather sick fantasies that the Caucasoid race is "strong" and "maculine", and that Mongoloids are weak and feminine. Judging from your fantastic, non-sensical, unsourced, and unvarifiable edits that obviously stink of twisted racial prejudice! They are full of fantasies about Indo-European, or what you call neolithic Caucasoids, and their imagined "influence" in other populations. If you were to meet me in person, you would probably try to claim that I have some kind of unknown Causcasoid ancestry!
You should be suspended from this page and seek psychiatric assistance.
Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 03:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
-- Jtd00123 ( talk) 00:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
EDIT: It is also significant to point out, that one of the 2 studies that painted an Asian (Korean) mean testosterone level as slightly lower then Europeans (in this case Sweedes), still gave a mean serum amount equal to Pakistanis, a Caucasoid ethnic group that is significantly hairy as well. This provides evidence that facial and body hair growth is a poor indicator of free testosterone levels.
ILoveYou17 ( talk) 19:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)This article generalizes Mongoloids' physical appearances.Not all Mongoloids look the same.There's a huge difference between Northern Mongoloids and Southern Mongoloids.Non-projecting noses?Most Northern Mongoloids(except for Mongols) have high,narrow nose.Brachycephalic skulls?Source this or get rid of it.I read it in the Britannica Encyclopedia that only Koreans,Kazaks,and some people living in the Alps are known to have brachycephalic skulls."Mongoloids also are characterized by an absence or thinly distributed facial and body hair, and lesser sweat glands"?Please source this.Northern Mongoloids(again,except for Mongols) tend to have more body hair.The "black hair and dark brown eyes"thing is really stereotypical.There are brunette Mongoloids and even a few are redhead.There are Mongoloids with amber or hazel eyes.Somebody please edit that section about Mongoloid physical traits!
Definitely, and I wouldn't exclude Mongols from thos "northern Mongoloid" traits that you mentioned. Peopl I've met, from Mongolia, and others who claim such ancestry (like the Gurung of Nepal), always seem to be hairy and have full-noses. I am of Vietnamese descent, am hairy, yet I lack a projectile nose. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 07:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I re-added the Mongoloid admixture in south, east and northeast India section which was removed by User:Pureaswater. User:Pureaswater argued that Central Asians had Mongoloid admixture too but there was no section on their Mongoloid admixture which User:Pureaswater considered to be biased. I remember suggesting that this user add a section on Central Asian mongoloid admixture rather than removing the Mongoloid admixture in India section, but this other user insisted that the India Mongoloid section be removed. I recall that they suggested I take a break. I have taken a break for a year. I would like to discuss this issue with User:Pureaswater if they are still around.---- Dark Tea © 00:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
"The Mongoloid skull has proceeded further than in any other people." [1] "The Mongoloid skull, whether Chinese or Japanese, has been rather more neotenized than the Caucasoid or European." [1] "The female skull, it will be noted, is more pedomorphic in all human populations than the male skull." [1] "Mongoloid races are explained in terms of being the most extreme paedomorphic humans." [2] "The intuition that advanced human development was paedomorphic rather than recapitulationary and accelerated was disturbing to many Eurocentric nineteenth century anthropologists." [3] "If juvenilization was the characteristic for advanced status, then it was clear that the Mongoloid races were more deeply fetalized in most respects and thus capable of the greatest development." [3]
This recent change is probably more pertinent and more factually correct than this:
17th century anthropologist Christoph Meiners, one of the first people to define the "Mongolian race", characterized the "Mongolian race" as being "weak in body... dark...[and] ugly". [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.251.199 ( talk) 16:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The article changed quite a bit! It was as if it was written by a White supremacist before, but now it is as if it was written by an Asian supremacist. Not that it needs any change as everything is verifiable and comes from anthropology books and much recent than those of before.
Well done to the contributor's of this article. I am pleased to see a genuine effort has been made to scientifically and anthropologically discuss the postulated origins and features of Mongoloid peoples; rather than waffling on about the 'evils' of attempting to categorise people in todays overly P.C. environment Hxseek ( talk) 11:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I am in favor of removing the Meiners' unsubstantiated opinion that the Mongoloid race is ugly; however, being "weak in body" and "dark" are objective statements. His objective statements should be kept.---DarkTea© 21:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Both 'ugly' and 'weak in body' are unsubstantiated opinions in regards to the Mongoloid race. As a Caucasian man I've already witnessed many Mongoloids who are much larger in physique then either Caucasians or Negroid. Only a fool will not see the obvious racialist bias evident by simply visiting both Caucasian and Mongoloid pages at once.
I'm actually curious why no sources written by Mongoloids themselves in their own physical appearances have been cited. Are there seriously no sources at all - or does the writers of this page only wish to present a euro-centric point of view? It's no wonder we are classed as racists everywhere we go!
Righton2233 ( talk) 19:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Was this section just added? In either case may I offer an expansion:
Before:
Variation in traits between groups
Variation in traits can be rather considerable between certain groups due to climatic variation, the most apparent of these differences concern the shape of the skull, the constitution of the body and the colour of the skin.
After:
Variation in traits between groups
Variation in traits can be rather considerable between certain groups due to climatic variation, the most apparent of these differences concern the shape of the skull, the constitution of the body and the colour of the skin. As a result many anthropologists have suggested different theories of possible subraces to classify the Mongoloid race more accurately.
A. Northeast Asian or Northern Mongoloid race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan) B. Southeast Asian or Southern Mongoloid race (various subraces in southwest China, Indochina, Thailand, Myanmar [Burma], Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, the last four partly hybridized with Australoids) C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (predominantly Southern Mongoloid partly hybridized with Australoids) D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan) E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos) F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)
Source: Baker, J. R. (1974) Race, Oxford University Press, New York and London.
There is also proposal of a Turanid race by either Baker, Coon, or Richard McCulloch, I'm not sure which. But it notes the genetic similarities between Mongolic and Turkic ethnics especially in regards to Haplogroup C3. I hope others can expand on this as my time is limited.
Righton2233 ( talk) 21:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
WHY WON'T PEOPLE GET IT!? Just because their native Japan is surrounded by Mongoloids doesn't mean they are! [5] And besides, just look at the picture of Asians: No. 1: Ainu. Does he have tan skin and an epicanthus? -- 67.80.57.142 ( talk) 23:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC) GooglePedia12 (Sorry I forgot to log in.)
Erm...not all Mongoloid peoples have "tan skin" (many Koreans, Japanese, Northern Chinese et al don't) and not everyone of Mongoloid "ancestry" have epicanthal folds such as many from Tibet for instance (just as some Caucasians populations such as Scandinavians, Uralic peoples, Slavs and Gaels can fairly commonally have epicanthal folds), but that is besides the point as having a certain skin tone or an epicanthus do not make one mongoloid...Mongoloid despite what this article seems to imply only really refers to those with the Mongoloid skull type, just as Caucasian and Negroid refer to the European/Western Asian/North African ("white"), and African ("black") skull types respectively. I have added the "white" and "black" just to make it clear what I mean, defining groups by colours is ridiculous as Caucasians and Mongoloid peoples range in skin tones to a very great deal. Sigurd Dragon Slayer ( talk) 15:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It looks like this article is good at getting people pissed off, so at the risk of getting burned I'm going to throw a quick note into the mix. The abstract says that the term comes from "discredited theories," which is all well and good - maybe they are. But we need something to back that up, because the companion terms - Caucasoid and Negroid are both referred to as valid terms in physical anthropology in their articles, and they in turn reference the term Mongoloid in the same light. So, this needs some clarification. Jordanp ( talk) 10:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The problem with all these articles is that they conflate obsolete racial classifications with perfectly valid aspects of physical anthropology. The problem is that the terminology of scientific racism survives in physical anthropology today.
The article needs to be very clear whether it is citing historical literature (pre-1970s) or current-day literature (post-1970s). Pre-1970s literature should be confined to sections dealing with the racial concepts, and post-1970s literature using the same term should be confined to a separate section on contemporary usage. Of course, as long as the title of this article is "Mongoloid race", the non-racial stuff could strictly be considered off-topic and to be disabiguated. -- dab (𒁳) 10:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
So half of India is Mongoloid? Interesting article, but needs a new map.
There is an wiki article about this. See Accessory nail of the fifth toe. I suggest adding a link to that article where "Mongolian Cuticle" is, since there is no article on that. -- Platinum inc ( talk) 12:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The article correctly documents the historical use of the term 'mongol' in the UK, originally as a neutral term for what we would now call Down syndrome, but subsequently as an offensive term for anyone with learning difficulties. Although 'mongol' is rarely used in that sense today, it has spawned the slang term 'monged' meaning to be temporarily incapacitated through excessive use of recreational drugs, particularly cannabis. This term is now in common use by people under 30 throughout the English speaking world. Most people who use it are completely ignorant of the etymology and are unaware that it could be considered offensive. Some reference to this would be appropriate. -- 80.176.142.11 ( talk) 13:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
This article is using data from the Nazi era as well as obsolote racial terms.Some people seem to love the ideas of nazi era racialism. Its not so much the article itself, but the way other articles link to it. Honestly, its disgusting!-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 18:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Guest3333
OK, here is an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_people#Genetics The above article is using modern terminology such as "Eastern Eurasian" yet this term links here.I have not the means to research how many articles link to this page in similar manners, but I am sure wikipedian seniors do know their way around.There seems to be an agenda to create racialist * historical* articles and then link to them in a modern context, creating the impression on the public, that these are still in use by modern societies. I am sure you get the point.-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 06:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC) Guest3333
I believe all these racial obsolete terms need to be less detailed, less quotes from that era, less craniometric measurements, less capoid, negroid, nordic, australoid, caucasoid, mongoloid terms, less nazi race comparison tables.Or there needs to be a clear bunderstanding that these are actually obsolete terms that have been debunked for the large part. Just enter East Asian, or Estern Eurasian or even Asian in the main search bar on the start page and it takes you here first.Almost every article that deals with race has these overtones and I also believe it is certainly troubling.-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 06:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Guest3333
Stop mutually self-gratifying each other, like typical left-wing brainwashers. Race is a reality. It is not easily categorized,nor are some of the conclusions used in the past valid. However, phenotypic variabilty is apparent and obvious, and discussing it does not equal racism 121.209.233.94 ( talk) 10:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't see how it is offensive, because most Asian look a like with minor differences such as skin colour it is only logical that they should have their own race —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.108.26 ( talk) 17:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC) However I know the term mong is offensive to people with down syndrome but I have never heard mongoloid being offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.108.26 ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
OBSOLETE RACIAL CLASSIFICATIONS !!! This article is ridiculous, because whoever has an interest publishing this sort of BS seems to have an interest, to make people believe that all these are still valid and much used terms. This wrong! and now this crap is even protected? 95.223.187.171 ( talk) 12:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
The Genetic Structure of Human Populations Studied Through Short Insertion-Deletion Polymorphisms http://www.laboratoriogene.info/Cientificos/Annals.pdf
http://www.museum.kyushu-u.ac.jp/WAJIN/113.html Assuming the tree was translated from Japanese from the Japanese website currently used as its citation, it was translated wrong. ネグロイド (Neguroido) clearly translates as "Negroid" not "African". コーカソイド (Kōkasoido) clearly translates as "Caucasoid" not "Caucasian". オーストラロイド (Ōsutoraroido) clearly translates as "Australoid" not "Oceanian". アシアのモンゴロイド (Ashia no Mongoroido) clearly translates to "Mongoloid of Asia" not "East Asian". Lastly, even though it is not as important an issue, アメリンド (Amerindo), would translate to "Amerindoid".-- Ephert ( talk) 03:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Seriously folks, how can you write three screenfuls of misinformation on the subject of "Populations Included" in the "mongoloid race" ( however passe or discredited that concept may be), and not mention Chinese, Japanese or Koreans one single time ? This is supposed to be an encylopedia ! If someone looks to an encyclopedia to obtain some basic understanding of the nineteenth century scientific paradigm of the division of the world's people into "Mongoloids", "Negroes" and "Caucasians", there are going to be seriously confused or misled by the information contained here. Eregli bob ( talk) 06:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
This is absolutely an absurd article. Modern scientists do not cotton to the idea of biological racial types, and yet this article and its companions are treated in such a way as to indicate that the majority of experts agree with the theory. Perhaps this was true 100 years ago, but now the only people shouting about Negroids and Mongoloids are literally racists. What is going on here, Wikipedia? Very troubling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.143.90 ( talk) 13:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
This is the mainstream (not that there is only one viewpoint represented down here - but you will notice that none of them treats "mongoloid race" as a generally valid concept). There are a couple of more good texts I could point to in undergraduate readers, handbooks and texbooks.
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What does an Austronesian have to do something with Mongoloid people. Geeze, some insecure White guys seems to enjoy vandalizing this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.69.38 ( talk) 21:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I suggest changing this article's name from Mongoloid race to simply Mongoloid. As "Mongoloid" should only apply to physical traits and not to modern or historic racial or social groups. And it IS an offensive term when refering to either those who may share the physical traits and actual Mongolians, ie those who live in Mongolia Unumbragach ( talk) 11:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
most retarded pic ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.234.89 ( talk) 23:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Centrum99, I suspect you are an insecure white supremacist with rather sick fantasies that the Caucasoid race is "strong" and "maculine", and that Mongoloids are weak and feminine. Judging from your fantastic, non-sensical, unsourced, and unvarifiable edits that obviously stink of twisted racial prejudice! They are full of fantasies about Indo-European, or what you call neolithic Caucasoids, and their imagined "influence" in other populations. If you were to meet me in person, you would probably try to claim that I have some kind of unknown Causcasoid ancestry!
You should be suspended from this page and seek psychiatric assistance.
Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 03:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
-- Jtd00123 ( talk) 00:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
EDIT: It is also significant to point out, that one of the 2 studies that painted an Asian (Korean) mean testosterone level as slightly lower then Europeans (in this case Sweedes), still gave a mean serum amount equal to Pakistanis, a Caucasoid ethnic group that is significantly hairy as well. This provides evidence that facial and body hair growth is a poor indicator of free testosterone levels.
ILoveYou17 ( talk) 19:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)This article generalizes Mongoloids' physical appearances.Not all Mongoloids look the same.There's a huge difference between Northern Mongoloids and Southern Mongoloids.Non-projecting noses?Most Northern Mongoloids(except for Mongols) have high,narrow nose.Brachycephalic skulls?Source this or get rid of it.I read it in the Britannica Encyclopedia that only Koreans,Kazaks,and some people living in the Alps are known to have brachycephalic skulls."Mongoloids also are characterized by an absence or thinly distributed facial and body hair, and lesser sweat glands"?Please source this.Northern Mongoloids(again,except for Mongols) tend to have more body hair.The "black hair and dark brown eyes"thing is really stereotypical.There are brunette Mongoloids and even a few are redhead.There are Mongoloids with amber or hazel eyes.Somebody please edit that section about Mongoloid physical traits!
Definitely, and I wouldn't exclude Mongols from thos "northern Mongoloid" traits that you mentioned. Peopl I've met, from Mongolia, and others who claim such ancestry (like the Gurung of Nepal), always seem to be hairy and have full-noses. I am of Vietnamese descent, am hairy, yet I lack a projectile nose. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 07:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I re-added the Mongoloid admixture in south, east and northeast India section which was removed by User:Pureaswater. User:Pureaswater argued that Central Asians had Mongoloid admixture too but there was no section on their Mongoloid admixture which User:Pureaswater considered to be biased. I remember suggesting that this user add a section on Central Asian mongoloid admixture rather than removing the Mongoloid admixture in India section, but this other user insisted that the India Mongoloid section be removed. I recall that they suggested I take a break. I have taken a break for a year. I would like to discuss this issue with User:Pureaswater if they are still around.---- Dark Tea © 00:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
"The Mongoloid skull has proceeded further than in any other people." [1] "The Mongoloid skull, whether Chinese or Japanese, has been rather more neotenized than the Caucasoid or European." [1] "The female skull, it will be noted, is more pedomorphic in all human populations than the male skull." [1] "Mongoloid races are explained in terms of being the most extreme paedomorphic humans." [2] "The intuition that advanced human development was paedomorphic rather than recapitulationary and accelerated was disturbing to many Eurocentric nineteenth century anthropologists." [3] "If juvenilization was the characteristic for advanced status, then it was clear that the Mongoloid races were more deeply fetalized in most respects and thus capable of the greatest development." [3]
This recent change is probably more pertinent and more factually correct than this:
17th century anthropologist Christoph Meiners, one of the first people to define the "Mongolian race", characterized the "Mongolian race" as being "weak in body... dark...[and] ugly". [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.251.199 ( talk) 16:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
The article changed quite a bit! It was as if it was written by a White supremacist before, but now it is as if it was written by an Asian supremacist. Not that it needs any change as everything is verifiable and comes from anthropology books and much recent than those of before.
Well done to the contributor's of this article. I am pleased to see a genuine effort has been made to scientifically and anthropologically discuss the postulated origins and features of Mongoloid peoples; rather than waffling on about the 'evils' of attempting to categorise people in todays overly P.C. environment Hxseek ( talk) 11:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I am in favor of removing the Meiners' unsubstantiated opinion that the Mongoloid race is ugly; however, being "weak in body" and "dark" are objective statements. His objective statements should be kept.---DarkTea© 21:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Both 'ugly' and 'weak in body' are unsubstantiated opinions in regards to the Mongoloid race. As a Caucasian man I've already witnessed many Mongoloids who are much larger in physique then either Caucasians or Negroid. Only a fool will not see the obvious racialist bias evident by simply visiting both Caucasian and Mongoloid pages at once.
I'm actually curious why no sources written by Mongoloids themselves in their own physical appearances have been cited. Are there seriously no sources at all - or does the writers of this page only wish to present a euro-centric point of view? It's no wonder we are classed as racists everywhere we go!
Righton2233 ( talk) 19:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Was this section just added? In either case may I offer an expansion:
Before:
Variation in traits between groups
Variation in traits can be rather considerable between certain groups due to climatic variation, the most apparent of these differences concern the shape of the skull, the constitution of the body and the colour of the skin.
After:
Variation in traits between groups
Variation in traits can be rather considerable between certain groups due to climatic variation, the most apparent of these differences concern the shape of the skull, the constitution of the body and the colour of the skin. As a result many anthropologists have suggested different theories of possible subraces to classify the Mongoloid race more accurately.
A. Northeast Asian or Northern Mongoloid race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan) B. Southeast Asian or Southern Mongoloid race (various subraces in southwest China, Indochina, Thailand, Myanmar [Burma], Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, the last four partly hybridized with Australoids) C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (predominantly Southern Mongoloid partly hybridized with Australoids) D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan) E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos) F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)
Source: Baker, J. R. (1974) Race, Oxford University Press, New York and London.
There is also proposal of a Turanid race by either Baker, Coon, or Richard McCulloch, I'm not sure which. But it notes the genetic similarities between Mongolic and Turkic ethnics especially in regards to Haplogroup C3. I hope others can expand on this as my time is limited.
Righton2233 ( talk) 21:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
WHY WON'T PEOPLE GET IT!? Just because their native Japan is surrounded by Mongoloids doesn't mean they are! [5] And besides, just look at the picture of Asians: No. 1: Ainu. Does he have tan skin and an epicanthus? -- 67.80.57.142 ( talk) 23:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC) GooglePedia12 (Sorry I forgot to log in.)
Erm...not all Mongoloid peoples have "tan skin" (many Koreans, Japanese, Northern Chinese et al don't) and not everyone of Mongoloid "ancestry" have epicanthal folds such as many from Tibet for instance (just as some Caucasians populations such as Scandinavians, Uralic peoples, Slavs and Gaels can fairly commonally have epicanthal folds), but that is besides the point as having a certain skin tone or an epicanthus do not make one mongoloid...Mongoloid despite what this article seems to imply only really refers to those with the Mongoloid skull type, just as Caucasian and Negroid refer to the European/Western Asian/North African ("white"), and African ("black") skull types respectively. I have added the "white" and "black" just to make it clear what I mean, defining groups by colours is ridiculous as Caucasians and Mongoloid peoples range in skin tones to a very great deal. Sigurd Dragon Slayer ( talk) 15:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It looks like this article is good at getting people pissed off, so at the risk of getting burned I'm going to throw a quick note into the mix. The abstract says that the term comes from "discredited theories," which is all well and good - maybe they are. But we need something to back that up, because the companion terms - Caucasoid and Negroid are both referred to as valid terms in physical anthropology in their articles, and they in turn reference the term Mongoloid in the same light. So, this needs some clarification. Jordanp ( talk) 10:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The problem with all these articles is that they conflate obsolete racial classifications with perfectly valid aspects of physical anthropology. The problem is that the terminology of scientific racism survives in physical anthropology today.
The article needs to be very clear whether it is citing historical literature (pre-1970s) or current-day literature (post-1970s). Pre-1970s literature should be confined to sections dealing with the racial concepts, and post-1970s literature using the same term should be confined to a separate section on contemporary usage. Of course, as long as the title of this article is "Mongoloid race", the non-racial stuff could strictly be considered off-topic and to be disabiguated. -- dab (𒁳) 10:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
So half of India is Mongoloid? Interesting article, but needs a new map.
There is an wiki article about this. See Accessory nail of the fifth toe. I suggest adding a link to that article where "Mongolian Cuticle" is, since there is no article on that. -- Platinum inc ( talk) 12:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The article correctly documents the historical use of the term 'mongol' in the UK, originally as a neutral term for what we would now call Down syndrome, but subsequently as an offensive term for anyone with learning difficulties. Although 'mongol' is rarely used in that sense today, it has spawned the slang term 'monged' meaning to be temporarily incapacitated through excessive use of recreational drugs, particularly cannabis. This term is now in common use by people under 30 throughout the English speaking world. Most people who use it are completely ignorant of the etymology and are unaware that it could be considered offensive. Some reference to this would be appropriate. -- 80.176.142.11 ( talk) 13:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
This article is using data from the Nazi era as well as obsolote racial terms.Some people seem to love the ideas of nazi era racialism. Its not so much the article itself, but the way other articles link to it. Honestly, its disgusting!-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 18:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC) Guest3333
OK, here is an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazara_people#Genetics The above article is using modern terminology such as "Eastern Eurasian" yet this term links here.I have not the means to research how many articles link to this page in similar manners, but I am sure wikipedian seniors do know their way around.There seems to be an agenda to create racialist * historical* articles and then link to them in a modern context, creating the impression on the public, that these are still in use by modern societies. I am sure you get the point.-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 06:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC) Guest3333
I believe all these racial obsolete terms need to be less detailed, less quotes from that era, less craniometric measurements, less capoid, negroid, nordic, australoid, caucasoid, mongoloid terms, less nazi race comparison tables.Or there needs to be a clear bunderstanding that these are actually obsolete terms that have been debunked for the large part. Just enter East Asian, or Estern Eurasian or even Asian in the main search bar on the start page and it takes you here first.Almost every article that deals with race has these overtones and I also believe it is certainly troubling.-- 95.223.187.114 ( talk) 06:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Guest3333
Stop mutually self-gratifying each other, like typical left-wing brainwashers. Race is a reality. It is not easily categorized,nor are some of the conclusions used in the past valid. However, phenotypic variabilty is apparent and obvious, and discussing it does not equal racism 121.209.233.94 ( talk) 10:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't see how it is offensive, because most Asian look a like with minor differences such as skin colour it is only logical that they should have their own race —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.108.26 ( talk) 17:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC) However I know the term mong is offensive to people with down syndrome but I have never heard mongoloid being offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.108.26 ( talk) 18:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
OBSOLETE RACIAL CLASSIFICATIONS !!! This article is ridiculous, because whoever has an interest publishing this sort of BS seems to have an interest, to make people believe that all these are still valid and much used terms. This wrong! and now this crap is even protected? 95.223.187.171 ( talk) 12:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
The Genetic Structure of Human Populations Studied Through Short Insertion-Deletion Polymorphisms http://www.laboratoriogene.info/Cientificos/Annals.pdf
http://www.museum.kyushu-u.ac.jp/WAJIN/113.html Assuming the tree was translated from Japanese from the Japanese website currently used as its citation, it was translated wrong. ネグロイド (Neguroido) clearly translates as "Negroid" not "African". コーカソイド (Kōkasoido) clearly translates as "Caucasoid" not "Caucasian". オーストラロイド (Ōsutoraroido) clearly translates as "Australoid" not "Oceanian". アシアのモンゴロイド (Ashia no Mongoroido) clearly translates to "Mongoloid of Asia" not "East Asian". Lastly, even though it is not as important an issue, アメリンド (Amerindo), would translate to "Amerindoid".-- Ephert ( talk) 03:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Seriously folks, how can you write three screenfuls of misinformation on the subject of "Populations Included" in the "mongoloid race" ( however passe or discredited that concept may be), and not mention Chinese, Japanese or Koreans one single time ? This is supposed to be an encylopedia ! If someone looks to an encyclopedia to obtain some basic understanding of the nineteenth century scientific paradigm of the division of the world's people into "Mongoloids", "Negroes" and "Caucasians", there are going to be seriously confused or misled by the information contained here. Eregli bob ( talk) 06:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
This is absolutely an absurd article. Modern scientists do not cotton to the idea of biological racial types, and yet this article and its companions are treated in such a way as to indicate that the majority of experts agree with the theory. Perhaps this was true 100 years ago, but now the only people shouting about Negroids and Mongoloids are literally racists. What is going on here, Wikipedia? Very troubling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.143.90 ( talk) 13:01, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
This is the mainstream (not that there is only one viewpoint represented down here - but you will notice that none of them treats "mongoloid race" as a generally valid concept). There are a couple of more good texts I could point to in undergraduate readers, handbooks and texbooks.
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