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There is a few useful paragraphs in the article, if we ignore some Nationalist view and non-citations. -- Enerelt ( talk) 10:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
It's a nice article, but it can be improved. There are few sources on Dzurdzuketia during the Mongol invasions and Jaimoukha seems to fill in the blanks himself sometimes. I think the article should depend on more sources and explain them. Anarchonistic lines can be removed, such as reference to the chechen-russian conflict which started centuries later. References to 'Chechens' could probably be replaced by 'Vainakh' because Dzurdzuketia included Ingush land and the ancestors of the Ingush. And perhaps we could name the article Mongol invasions of Dzurdzuketia? That's how the area was known to the outside world at the time. Chechnyafree.ru has two articles on the invasions [1], [2]. It's a government sponsored website, but unfortunately few of the sources are named. It could also help us if the Mongol invasions of Alania, Dagestan etc. had their own articles. Machinarium ( talk) 19:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
just removed the turkic vassal part. Mongolian armies had so many different nationalities in their armies including armenians ,persians,russians and so on . showing only one of them and ignoring rest of them is kinda strange. by the way, main army is mongolian army and this is what really matters . come on people lets stop this ultra nationalistic pow . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.76.42.188 ( talk) 07:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to create a page Mongol invasions of Caucasus or possibly merge this page with Mongol invasions of Georgia and Armenia because that were essentially the same invasions. Am I mistaken? My very best wishes ( talk) 13:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
These are the sources Jaimoukha cites, all of which are in Russian. I don't have access at the moment. If someone who does could expand this in line with them, that would be awesome :
Also consult:
Thanks. -- Yalens ( talk) 01:31, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
and
all are used multiple times in the article. Which beginning is correct, Dur- or Dzur-? We should decide on one and use it consistently. If they are both acceptable, we should in addition mention the other in the top section, with an explanation of the difference if appropriate. -- Thnidu ( talk) 17:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
ilkhanate which was a part of mongols invaded aswell but I don't see it in this page. Iask1 ( talk) 19:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The user mentioned above keeps vandalizing this page by writing made up claims and not putting a source behind it. It would be highly appreciated if the administrators ban or at least warn him. Malhuyataza ( talk) 16:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Bbb23. I don't know any other admins who could help me so I would like for you to see this. Jonarin56 is continously vandalising, waging edit wars and making unconstructive edits in Mongol invasions of Durdzuketia. Please do something about him. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 11:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay thank you for your advice and time. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 14:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Muqale, WikiEditor1234567123 , Hello, it seems to me that this article needs to be revised, since many sources are firstly Chechen, and secondly they refer to folklore and legends, and this, as we know, is not authoritative sources. Targimhoï ( talk) 21:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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There is a few useful paragraphs in the article, if we ignore some Nationalist view and non-citations. -- Enerelt ( talk) 10:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
It's a nice article, but it can be improved. There are few sources on Dzurdzuketia during the Mongol invasions and Jaimoukha seems to fill in the blanks himself sometimes. I think the article should depend on more sources and explain them. Anarchonistic lines can be removed, such as reference to the chechen-russian conflict which started centuries later. References to 'Chechens' could probably be replaced by 'Vainakh' because Dzurdzuketia included Ingush land and the ancestors of the Ingush. And perhaps we could name the article Mongol invasions of Dzurdzuketia? That's how the area was known to the outside world at the time. Chechnyafree.ru has two articles on the invasions [1], [2]. It's a government sponsored website, but unfortunately few of the sources are named. It could also help us if the Mongol invasions of Alania, Dagestan etc. had their own articles. Machinarium ( talk) 19:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
just removed the turkic vassal part. Mongolian armies had so many different nationalities in their armies including armenians ,persians,russians and so on . showing only one of them and ignoring rest of them is kinda strange. by the way, main army is mongolian army and this is what really matters . come on people lets stop this ultra nationalistic pow . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.76.42.188 ( talk) 07:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea to create a page Mongol invasions of Caucasus or possibly merge this page with Mongol invasions of Georgia and Armenia because that were essentially the same invasions. Am I mistaken? My very best wishes ( talk) 13:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
These are the sources Jaimoukha cites, all of which are in Russian. I don't have access at the moment. If someone who does could expand this in line with them, that would be awesome :
Also consult:
Thanks. -- Yalens ( talk) 01:31, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
and
all are used multiple times in the article. Which beginning is correct, Dur- or Dzur-? We should decide on one and use it consistently. If they are both acceptable, we should in addition mention the other in the top section, with an explanation of the difference if appropriate. -- Thnidu ( talk) 17:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
ilkhanate which was a part of mongols invaded aswell but I don't see it in this page. Iask1 ( talk) 19:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
The user mentioned above keeps vandalizing this page by writing made up claims and not putting a source behind it. It would be highly appreciated if the administrators ban or at least warn him. Malhuyataza ( talk) 16:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello Bbb23. I don't know any other admins who could help me so I would like for you to see this. Jonarin56 is continously vandalising, waging edit wars and making unconstructive edits in Mongol invasions of Durdzuketia. Please do something about him. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 11:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Okay thank you for your advice and time. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 14:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Muqale, WikiEditor1234567123 , Hello, it seems to me that this article needs to be revised, since many sources are firstly Chechen, and secondly they refer to folklore and legends, and this, as we know, is not authoritative sources. Targimhoï ( talk) 21:50, 27 February 2023 (UTC)