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I'm afraid I have no idea what this sentence means:
There are too many whiches and thisses to be disentangled. Does Ligurian have an /ø/ written œ? or is Ligurian œ instead pronounced /e/? Does Ligurian have an /ø/ written ö? or does it sound like /e/? Is there an ö/œ distinction in Ligurian that has been lost in Monégasque?
Quartier
Latin1968
15:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
"tradiçiùn comes from the Latin traditio[nem] , and not from the Italian tradizione." I disagree strongly with the validity of this statement. Monegasque, along with all Ligurian languages, are derived directly from Italian along with strong influences in vocabulary, grammar and syntax from French and related Gallo-Romance languages. In this case, it is uncertain and difficult to determine whether tradiçiùn is derived straight from tradizione or the French tradition, however the distinction is minimal and of little significance, due to the high conservation of vocabulary and the close contact of the two languages.
How many speakers are there, inside and outside Monaco? Every other language article in Wikipedia that I have ever seen includes this. 68.122.3.84 03:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Are there any native speakers at all? The article claims that Monegasque was threatened with extinction in the 70s. A language is threatened with extinction when the remaining speakers are elderly. Those who were elderly in the 70s are dead by now. And even if there are a handfull of native speakers left: Is there something like a language community where Monegasque is used in everyday life? Unoffensive text or character 08:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the population of Monaco has been used to determine speakers of Monégasque, which is ridiculous -- only about 16,000 of those who live in Monaco are Monégasque and of those, I read that it is mainly the older ones who speak it much, which presumably leaves us with a few thousand. Anyone have a more accurate idea of this? I would assume that native speakers of it outside Monaco would be a tiny amount. Orlando098 ( talk) 01:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Here the language is stated to have official status in Monaco, but the article Monaco states that only French has official status. Which is correct?-- Dub8lad1 ( talk) 15:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The article talks about "how œ is pronounced in Ligurian"; but the Wikipedia article on Ligurian claims that that language has the character æ but not œ.
So which is it? Is is æ or œ? Oz1cz ( talk) 06:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I made an edit that contains a translation of a part of the french article of monégasque. I wanna know what french people think of it. Is it good? Is it bad? Or it needs refinement? Crenshire ( talk) 04:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
There should be a vowels section on this article. Crenshire ( talk) 04:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
After this article was moved to Monégasque (Language), I restored it to this title on the grounds that the first sentence of the article says that it's a form of Ligurian and not a language of its own. In addition to that, the disambiguator shouldn't have been capitalized anyway, so even on that basis it wouldn't have stayed there. That aside, a move discussion per WP:RM ought to be held before moving this article. (A similar discussion is going on right now at Talk:Flemish.) Largoplazo ( talk) 04:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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I'm afraid I have no idea what this sentence means:
There are too many whiches and thisses to be disentangled. Does Ligurian have an /ø/ written œ? or is Ligurian œ instead pronounced /e/? Does Ligurian have an /ø/ written ö? or does it sound like /e/? Is there an ö/œ distinction in Ligurian that has been lost in Monégasque?
Quartier
Latin1968
15:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
"tradiçiùn comes from the Latin traditio[nem] , and not from the Italian tradizione." I disagree strongly with the validity of this statement. Monegasque, along with all Ligurian languages, are derived directly from Italian along with strong influences in vocabulary, grammar and syntax from French and related Gallo-Romance languages. In this case, it is uncertain and difficult to determine whether tradiçiùn is derived straight from tradizione or the French tradition, however the distinction is minimal and of little significance, due to the high conservation of vocabulary and the close contact of the two languages.
How many speakers are there, inside and outside Monaco? Every other language article in Wikipedia that I have ever seen includes this. 68.122.3.84 03:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Are there any native speakers at all? The article claims that Monegasque was threatened with extinction in the 70s. A language is threatened with extinction when the remaining speakers are elderly. Those who were elderly in the 70s are dead by now. And even if there are a handfull of native speakers left: Is there something like a language community where Monegasque is used in everyday life? Unoffensive text or character 08:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the population of Monaco has been used to determine speakers of Monégasque, which is ridiculous -- only about 16,000 of those who live in Monaco are Monégasque and of those, I read that it is mainly the older ones who speak it much, which presumably leaves us with a few thousand. Anyone have a more accurate idea of this? I would assume that native speakers of it outside Monaco would be a tiny amount. Orlando098 ( talk) 01:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Here the language is stated to have official status in Monaco, but the article Monaco states that only French has official status. Which is correct?-- Dub8lad1 ( talk) 15:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The article talks about "how œ is pronounced in Ligurian"; but the Wikipedia article on Ligurian claims that that language has the character æ but not œ.
So which is it? Is is æ or œ? Oz1cz ( talk) 06:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I made an edit that contains a translation of a part of the french article of monégasque. I wanna know what french people think of it. Is it good? Is it bad? Or it needs refinement? Crenshire ( talk) 04:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
There should be a vowels section on this article. Crenshire ( talk) 04:19, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
After this article was moved to Monégasque (Language), I restored it to this title on the grounds that the first sentence of the article says that it's a form of Ligurian and not a language of its own. In addition to that, the disambiguator shouldn't have been capitalized anyway, so even on that basis it wouldn't have stayed there. That aside, a move discussion per WP:RM ought to be held before moving this article. (A similar discussion is going on right now at Talk:Flemish.) Largoplazo ( talk) 04:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)