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I'm disputing neutrality based on the username of the author... Philippe Beaudette 09:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Having substantially updated this page, I think it reflects a NPOV (in fact, its content was always neutral).
I also think that there are many less notable academics and political activists on Wikipedia, and therefore this article is clearly notable enough for inclusion Aled Dilwyn Fisher 22:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Following her election as MEP, I have substantially expanded and (mostly, but not completely) re-written this article. Some remaining concerns:
-- NSH001 ( talk) 00:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
As mentioned above, I struggled for a long time to find a source for her place of birth. However it is not "Stroud", which is her current residence. Its presence on her European Parliament profile is just a simple clerical error (or, in wiki-speak, it is not a reliable source because it has not been subject to fact-checking). I suspect "Wales" is more likely to be correct (having been in the article for a long time), but it would be nice to have a more specific location with a reliable source. I've therefore reverted the recent change, leaving it as "Wales" with a "citation needed" tag (unfortunately). If anyone can find a definitive source for her place of birth, I would be very grateful. -- NSH001 ( talk) 17:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Further note: the EP profile doesn't even say "place of birth". -- NSH001 ( talk) 17:33, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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Footnote (d) at MOS:NICKNAME states:
As a guide to what is a "common" hypocorism, consider consulting the Hypocorism § English subsections "Shortening, often to the first syllable" and "Addition of a diminutive suffix ..."; consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames, depending on the particular case. A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not. Assume that most non-English hypocorisms (e.g. Lupita for Guadalupe and Mischa for Mikhail) are not familiar to readers of the English Wikipedia, even if well-known in their native culture.
Note especially: 'A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not'.
The question thus arises: is "Molly" a common hypocorism? In my view it isn't, as it doesn't suggest the name "Margaret" in the same way that "Bob" does for "Robert"; it is one of the "most" that "are not". It can even suggest a different name such as "Mary", or simply stand in its own right as a name. There is also the point, important in a BLP, that the subject doesn't want to be known as "Margaret".
It is true that "Molly" is listed in the first list cited "Shortening, often to the first syllable", but in the subsequent list, "A short form that differs significantly from the name:", the version "Moll" is listed; a fortiori "Molly" should be listed here, but in an oversight it has been omitted. The first part of the block-quoted text above is ambiguous, but the second part is clearer: 'consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames'. "Molly" is a non-hypocoristic nickname. -- NSH001 ( talk) 11:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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I'm disputing neutrality based on the username of the author... Philippe Beaudette 09:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Having substantially updated this page, I think it reflects a NPOV (in fact, its content was always neutral).
I also think that there are many less notable academics and political activists on Wikipedia, and therefore this article is clearly notable enough for inclusion Aled Dilwyn Fisher 22:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Following her election as MEP, I have substantially expanded and (mostly, but not completely) re-written this article. Some remaining concerns:
-- NSH001 ( talk) 00:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
As mentioned above, I struggled for a long time to find a source for her place of birth. However it is not "Stroud", which is her current residence. Its presence on her European Parliament profile is just a simple clerical error (or, in wiki-speak, it is not a reliable source because it has not been subject to fact-checking). I suspect "Wales" is more likely to be correct (having been in the article for a long time), but it would be nice to have a more specific location with a reliable source. I've therefore reverted the recent change, leaving it as "Wales" with a "citation needed" tag (unfortunately). If anyone can find a definitive source for her place of birth, I would be very grateful. -- NSH001 ( talk) 17:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC) Further note: the EP profile doesn't even say "place of birth". -- NSH001 ( talk) 17:33, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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This reference is no longer used as of edit over last couple of months so I removed it:
ref name="Ashcroft 2017-05-12">Ashcroft, Esme (12 May 2017). "Molly Scott Cato - Green Party candidate - Bristol West general election 2017". Bristol Post. Retrieved 5 January 2018./ref>
Jonpatterns ( talk) 13:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Footnote (d) at MOS:NICKNAME states:
As a guide to what is a "common" hypocorism, consider consulting the Hypocorism § English subsections "Shortening, often to the first syllable" and "Addition of a diminutive suffix ..."; consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames, depending on the particular case. A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not. Assume that most non-English hypocorisms (e.g. Lupita for Guadalupe and Mischa for Mikhail) are not familiar to readers of the English Wikipedia, even if well-known in their native culture.
Note especially: 'A few short forms that differ significantly from the name are well known common hypocorisms, such as "Bob" for "Robert", but most are not'.
The question thus arises: is "Molly" a common hypocorism? In my view it isn't, as it doesn't suggest the name "Margaret" in the same way that "Bob" does for "Robert"; it is one of the "most" that "are not". It can even suggest a different name such as "Mary", or simply stand in its own right as a name. There is also the point, important in a BLP, that the subject doesn't want to be known as "Margaret".
It is true that "Molly" is listed in the first list cited "Shortening, often to the first syllable", but in the subsequent list, "A short form that differs significantly from the name:", the version "Moll" is listed; a fortiori "Molly" should be listed here, but in an oversight it has been omitted. The first part of the block-quoted text above is ambiguous, but the second part is clearer: 'consider treating names listed in the "A short form that differs significantly from the name" subsection as non-hypocoristic nicknames'. "Molly" is a non-hypocoristic nickname. -- NSH001 ( talk) 11:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)