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The Moken people most likely lived on the Malay Peninsula in ancient times, before scattering throughout the Mergui Archipelago when displaced by Malaysians.
The Moken are the among the smallest minorities in Burma and have proven vulnerable and virtually defenseless against human rights abuses committed by the Burmese junta. Refugee Moken women and girls likely have ended up in prostitution in Thailand's thriving and notorious port brothels.
The Moken still have extensive knowledge of the maritime environment of the Andaman Sea.
The CBS documentary claimed that the Moken have no sense of time, nor words for "hello" or "goodbye", but claims of this kind are almost without exception ill-informed, untrue and largely meaningless. Language Log posting on the Moken, April 2005 C0pernicus 13:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The Moken nomads have well established cultural values, and their self-sufficiency contrasts with the economic subservience of expeditious natural resource exploitation proffered by modern society. Today, the Moken culture remains intact only on the coastal islands around Kawthoung, formerly Victoria Point, the southernmost town of Myanmar.
Moken is not protoMalay and the way the word Prot-malay is used in the article is nonsensical, which is why I will delete it again. Proto-malay is the name of an hypothetical ancestor language that developed into the modern malayic languages such as Moken, Bahasa Melayu/Indonesia, Iban etc. Calling moken proto-malay is therefore completely wrong and a misunderstood usage of the word proto-malay. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 14:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of the original contributors may like to see Moken remain as primitive non Muslims and repeatedly erased my contributions without even giving the reasons. Please just look at the Bajou in Malaysia and Indonesia. They are Muslims and are same as Myanmar/Burmese Pashus (Bajou) and mostly found in Johore, Batang Island Indonesia, Sarawak (East Malaysia) and Singapore. I have given a very good reference and also got the consent to republish anywhere, as written below.
So please may you kindly do not try to erase these facts about Burmese Malay Muslims, well known as Pashu or Bajou.
If they are the separate different Ethnic Minority from MOKEN,, why do you all merged my Burmese Malay Muslims article into this article?Or if you think Burmese Malay Muslim Pashus are totally different from Moken, kindly put back my article seperating from this merged one.
Please see Bajauin Wiki. Who authorize my article to merge and later edited out or erase the Burme Malay Muslim? Even Pashu Khaung Phyat bogyman meaning Bajau headhunter is well known in Burma. And we call the whole Peninsular as Pashu Kyun Swe meaning Pashu Peninsular. -- Darz kkg ( talk) -- Darz kkg ( talk) 14:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Maung-Ko Ghaffari, Yangon, Myanmar’s letter/article, published in the Sun newspaper, Malaysia on May 28, 2007. He gives me this newspaper photocopy with the permission for reproduction and circulation consent duly signed. He was the Chief Editor of The Islam Alin (Light of Islam) magazine published in Yangon. He cited or referred to the, “Our Pashu People”, published by Colonel Ba Shin, Chairman of the Burma Historical Commission and Secretary General of the Islamic Religious Affairs Council. Burma/Myanmar-- Darz kkg ( talk) 14:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC).-- Darz kkg ( talk) 12:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
THERE IN BURMA to stay forever whether SPDC Military Junta and you all experts in Anthropology recognize us or not.
--
Darz kkg (
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There are three groups of Bajau according to the New Straits Time, Malaysia’s English newspaper published in early 90’s. I copied and recorded the facts but was quite ignorant to note down the date and author.
These three groups of Bajau are_
Myanmar citizens of Malays are the Moken and the related Moklen group. They are found in the Mergui Archipelago of Myanmar and the islands of south western part of Thailand.
One of the other two subtypes are the Orang Laut (Sea People) are seen in Riau-Lingga Archipelago, Batam, Eastern Sumatera of Indonesia and Southern Johore of Malaysia.
The last group is the Bajau Laut, largest of all groups, live in Sulu Archipelago of the Philippines, eastern Bornio, Sulawesi and islands of eastern Indonesia.
Pashu in Myanmar is likely to be the corrupted word (or a different slang) in Myanmar language from- Bajau. That Bajau tribe is the largest Muslim indigenous group in Sabah (East Malaysia). They are known as Sea Gypsies or Sea Nomads.
Malays in Myanmar or (called Pashu of Burma), are almost same as but a little bit different from the Malays in Southern Thailand, East and West Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines and Indonesia.
So the Pashu Muslims of Myanmar are likely to be from the Muslim-Moken and are related to Moklen group of Bajau.
So what should we do?
To sumup the above, evidences of Burmese Malay Muslims or Pashu in Myanmar are_
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I tried to make an edit on another page but messed up my citation/it was reverted/waiting for clarification from that admin to make sure that the revert was due to my formatting /check in on content before attempting to make the same change anywhere else:
but the term "sea gypsy" is used in a few places on this article: gypsy is a slur for the Romani people. I think it'd be good to clarify that the term is considered a slur in most contexts-- but acknowledge its usage
(something along these lines would be my suggestion) gypsy (is a slur and shouldn't be used regularly but is left for historical linguistic context)
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The Moken people most likely lived on the Malay Peninsula in ancient times, before scattering throughout the Mergui Archipelago when displaced by Malaysians.
The Moken are the among the smallest minorities in Burma and have proven vulnerable and virtually defenseless against human rights abuses committed by the Burmese junta. Refugee Moken women and girls likely have ended up in prostitution in Thailand's thriving and notorious port brothels.
The Moken still have extensive knowledge of the maritime environment of the Andaman Sea.
The CBS documentary claimed that the Moken have no sense of time, nor words for "hello" or "goodbye", but claims of this kind are almost without exception ill-informed, untrue and largely meaningless. Language Log posting on the Moken, April 2005 C0pernicus 13:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The Moken nomads have well established cultural values, and their self-sufficiency contrasts with the economic subservience of expeditious natural resource exploitation proffered by modern society. Today, the Moken culture remains intact only on the coastal islands around Kawthoung, formerly Victoria Point, the southernmost town of Myanmar.
Moken is not protoMalay and the way the word Prot-malay is used in the article is nonsensical, which is why I will delete it again. Proto-malay is the name of an hypothetical ancestor language that developed into the modern malayic languages such as Moken, Bahasa Melayu/Indonesia, Iban etc. Calling moken proto-malay is therefore completely wrong and a misunderstood usage of the word proto-malay. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 14:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Some of the original contributors may like to see Moken remain as primitive non Muslims and repeatedly erased my contributions without even giving the reasons. Please just look at the Bajou in Malaysia and Indonesia. They are Muslims and are same as Myanmar/Burmese Pashus (Bajou) and mostly found in Johore, Batang Island Indonesia, Sarawak (East Malaysia) and Singapore. I have given a very good reference and also got the consent to republish anywhere, as written below.
So please may you kindly do not try to erase these facts about Burmese Malay Muslims, well known as Pashu or Bajou.
If they are the separate different Ethnic Minority from MOKEN,, why do you all merged my Burmese Malay Muslims article into this article?Or if you think Burmese Malay Muslim Pashus are totally different from Moken, kindly put back my article seperating from this merged one.
Please see Bajauin Wiki. Who authorize my article to merge and later edited out or erase the Burme Malay Muslim? Even Pashu Khaung Phyat bogyman meaning Bajau headhunter is well known in Burma. And we call the whole Peninsular as Pashu Kyun Swe meaning Pashu Peninsular. -- Darz kkg ( talk) -- Darz kkg ( talk) 14:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Maung-Ko Ghaffari, Yangon, Myanmar’s letter/article, published in the Sun newspaper, Malaysia on May 28, 2007. He gives me this newspaper photocopy with the permission for reproduction and circulation consent duly signed. He was the Chief Editor of The Islam Alin (Light of Islam) magazine published in Yangon. He cited or referred to the, “Our Pashu People”, published by Colonel Ba Shin, Chairman of the Burma Historical Commission and Secretary General of the Islamic Religious Affairs Council. Burma/Myanmar-- Darz kkg ( talk) 14:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC).-- Darz kkg ( talk) 12:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
THERE IN BURMA to stay forever whether SPDC Military Junta and you all experts in Anthropology recognize us or not.
--
Darz kkg (
talk) 14:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
There are three groups of Bajau according to the New Straits Time, Malaysia’s English newspaper published in early 90’s. I copied and recorded the facts but was quite ignorant to note down the date and author.
These three groups of Bajau are_
Myanmar citizens of Malays are the Moken and the related Moklen group. They are found in the Mergui Archipelago of Myanmar and the islands of south western part of Thailand.
One of the other two subtypes are the Orang Laut (Sea People) are seen in Riau-Lingga Archipelago, Batam, Eastern Sumatera of Indonesia and Southern Johore of Malaysia.
The last group is the Bajau Laut, largest of all groups, live in Sulu Archipelago of the Philippines, eastern Bornio, Sulawesi and islands of eastern Indonesia.
Pashu in Myanmar is likely to be the corrupted word (or a different slang) in Myanmar language from- Bajau. That Bajau tribe is the largest Muslim indigenous group in Sabah (East Malaysia). They are known as Sea Gypsies or Sea Nomads.
Malays in Myanmar or (called Pashu of Burma), are almost same as but a little bit different from the Malays in Southern Thailand, East and West Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines and Indonesia.
So the Pashu Muslims of Myanmar are likely to be from the Muslim-Moken and are related to Moklen group of Bajau.
So what should we do?
To sumup the above, evidences of Burmese Malay Muslims or Pashu in Myanmar are_
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I tried to make an edit on another page but messed up my citation/it was reverted/waiting for clarification from that admin to make sure that the revert was due to my formatting /check in on content before attempting to make the same change anywhere else:
but the term "sea gypsy" is used in a few places on this article: gypsy is a slur for the Romani people. I think it'd be good to clarify that the term is considered a slur in most contexts-- but acknowledge its usage
(something along these lines would be my suggestion) gypsy (is a slur and shouldn't be used regularly but is left for historical linguistic context)