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On the Yeoman Warders page, Cameron's age at signing is stated as 16. Here it is stated as 20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mctavishisdead ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Here we have reliable information about her Wikipedia page being tampered with as part of the bullying campaign. [1] Taprobanus ( talk) 14:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Reliable sources variously give her age on joining the British Army as 16 [2] or 20 [3]. I can't find any reference to her year of birth. Fences& Windows 15:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
50% of this article has to do with her being harassed. She spend 22 years in the military and did something in Ireland and Cyprus according to news sources. I am not familiar at all with the function of Beefeaters. Are they basically tour guides who have military experience? So Moira Cameron's claim to fame is being a harassed tour guide? Should we start making Wikipedia pages for every tour-guide who gets harassed? I am not trying to downplay sexism and harassment. I know it unfortunately happens thousands of times each day. So why are we singling this person out? My point is: lets put some meat on this article. Meishern ( talk) 01:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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Gwen, I hear what you are saying. Non the less, some meat needs to be added to this article. The problem is there is nothing to add. We don't even know her birthday or if she is married because I don't think anybody really cares and bothered asking those questions in interviews. She was an accountant in the army and became a tour guide. Someone 'tampered with her uniform' (whatever that means) and defaced her Wikipedia page. I just feel that 3 sentences on the main Beefeaters article with a redirect from her name will do nicely. Meishern ( talk) 11:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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Beefeaters may be the most notable and widely covered tour guides in the world and she was the first female to get in on the gig. To put it in the words/outlook of Malcolm McLaren, they're big "tourist attractions," among the most widely known in the UK, a canny slice of the public face Britain carefully puts forth to the world and in the heart of London. Then came reliable sources saying she'd been bullied over it. It's all notable. Gwen Gale ( talk) 11:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Duke, just because a group is notable doesn't mean each member is. Yes, she is the first woman who joined a 500 year old all boys club. Should we make a page for the first homosexual, African, Muslim, Jew, Korean, paraplegic or transsexual who becomes a Beefeater in the future? Lets not lump her with Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Hilary Clinton or any other woman who truly broke the gender barrier. I don't know why you have such an issue with "tour guide". That's what she does. She shows tourist around and gives little lectures next to points of interest. Nothing wrong with that. However, New York City has hundreds of police precincts, some hundreds of years old. Should we make pages for the first female police officers who were accepted into each one? Marie Cirile was the first undercover female detective in NYC in 1960's. Unfortunately she doesn't have a page on Wikipedia (i will make a page for her). Look. Moira Cameron is not notable for being the first woman in 500 years to join an all boys club. She is notable because she got harassed by that all boys club. I still say it deserves 2 sentences on the main Beefeater article. Just my opinion. Meishern ( talk) 12:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I just read on the BBC website [7] someone received a 'caution' for defacing a wikipedia entry, while vandalism is a pain I am at a loss to understand how the police can involve itself, if anyone could illuminate the issue I'd be eternally grateful. Twobells ( talk) 23:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Done. Aladdin Sane ( talk) 09:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
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Please change "having decided that not to have children while in the Army." to "having decided not to have children while in the Army." Iain Record ( talk) 08:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The one (not two) Beefeater sacked for the alleged harassment has since recieved a public apology, retraction of all suggestions of sexism/harassment, and compensation. 92.15.57.60 ( talk) 17:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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On the Yeoman Warders page, Cameron's age at signing is stated as 16. Here it is stated as 20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mctavishisdead ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Here we have reliable information about her Wikipedia page being tampered with as part of the bullying campaign. [1] Taprobanus ( talk) 14:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Reliable sources variously give her age on joining the British Army as 16 [2] or 20 [3]. I can't find any reference to her year of birth. Fences& Windows 15:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
50% of this article has to do with her being harassed. She spend 22 years in the military and did something in Ireland and Cyprus according to news sources. I am not familiar at all with the function of Beefeaters. Are they basically tour guides who have military experience? So Moira Cameron's claim to fame is being a harassed tour guide? Should we start making Wikipedia pages for every tour-guide who gets harassed? I am not trying to downplay sexism and harassment. I know it unfortunately happens thousands of times each day. So why are we singling this person out? My point is: lets put some meat on this article. Meishern ( talk) 01:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
<---------
Gwen, I hear what you are saying. Non the less, some meat needs to be added to this article. The problem is there is nothing to add. We don't even know her birthday or if she is married because I don't think anybody really cares and bothered asking those questions in interviews. She was an accountant in the army and became a tour guide. Someone 'tampered with her uniform' (whatever that means) and defaced her Wikipedia page. I just feel that 3 sentences on the main Beefeaters article with a redirect from her name will do nicely. Meishern ( talk) 11:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
<-----------
Beefeaters may be the most notable and widely covered tour guides in the world and she was the first female to get in on the gig. To put it in the words/outlook of Malcolm McLaren, they're big "tourist attractions," among the most widely known in the UK, a canny slice of the public face Britain carefully puts forth to the world and in the heart of London. Then came reliable sources saying she'd been bullied over it. It's all notable. Gwen Gale ( talk) 11:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Duke, just because a group is notable doesn't mean each member is. Yes, she is the first woman who joined a 500 year old all boys club. Should we make a page for the first homosexual, African, Muslim, Jew, Korean, paraplegic or transsexual who becomes a Beefeater in the future? Lets not lump her with Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Hilary Clinton or any other woman who truly broke the gender barrier. I don't know why you have such an issue with "tour guide". That's what she does. She shows tourist around and gives little lectures next to points of interest. Nothing wrong with that. However, New York City has hundreds of police precincts, some hundreds of years old. Should we make pages for the first female police officers who were accepted into each one? Marie Cirile was the first undercover female detective in NYC in 1960's. Unfortunately she doesn't have a page on Wikipedia (i will make a page for her). Look. Moira Cameron is not notable for being the first woman in 500 years to join an all boys club. She is notable because she got harassed by that all boys club. I still say it deserves 2 sentences on the main Beefeater article. Just my opinion. Meishern ( talk) 12:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I just read on the BBC website [7] someone received a 'caution' for defacing a wikipedia entry, while vandalism is a pain I am at a loss to understand how the police can involve itself, if anyone could illuminate the issue I'd be eternally grateful. Twobells ( talk) 23:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Done. Aladdin Sane ( talk) 09:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}}
Please change "having decided that not to have children while in the Army." to "having decided not to have children while in the Army." Iain Record ( talk) 08:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The one (not two) Beefeater sacked for the alleged harassment has since recieved a public apology, retraction of all suggestions of sexism/harassment, and compensation. 92.15.57.60 ( talk) 17:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)