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Anyone know anything about the Ironworking tradition of the Mohawks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.179.179 ( talk) 22:42, 21 November 2004 (UTC)
the language of the mohawks is alive and always has been alive. today, the young people have taken it upon themselves to learn and teach the language where our elders have failed to do so. It is taught now at home and in the schools, beginning with a childs preschool years. no, it is not dead or extinct nor was it ever. more whitemans propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.212.224.193 ( talk) 23:40, 19 February 2005 (UTC)
Can someone clarify the following sentence: One large group of Mohawks, who were expelled by the United States as traitors were given land by the British Governor Craig and imposed to French speaking Quebecois who were refused new land because of not being English.? I would do it, but I don't understand what it's trying to say. What does "imposed to" mean? — Pburka 1 July 2005 02:31 (UTC)
The flag that was briefly at the top of this page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mohawk-flag.jpg / http://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca_mohak.html) is representative of the Mohawk warrior society, and not the Mohawk community as a whole. The individual Haudenosaunee nations' flags are variants of the Haudenosaunee nation's flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hauflag.png . The St. Regis band council probably has its own flag as well. There is nothing wrong with putting the flag of the Warrior society in the article next to text about warrior societies, but considering there isn't even mention of Haudenosaunee warrior societies on wikipedia yet, I think that should wait - putting the warrior society flag on this article gives a very wrong impression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianski ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
"The Mohawk Nation, as part of the Iroquois Confederacy, were signatories to the treaties concluding the
Congress of Vienna in 1837.". Congress of Vienna took place in 1814-15. I doubt whether any Native Americans were present in Vienna because the congress took no decisions on any American borders. This sentence needs changing anyway because the date is obviously wrong. I would suggest deleting it and rephrasing the next "five years later" setence.
I suspect that if the Mohawks were present at any European treaty negociations it must have been the
Treaty of Ghent of 1814 which ended the
War of 1812. Great Britain tried to create an Idian buffor state and therefore could have included some Native Americans in its delegtion. However, I cannot find a cource confirming this, also.
Friendly Neighbour
19:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone inform me if people belonging to the Mohawk nation were employed as construction workers on tall buildings? I have heard a story that they were chosen for this task because they possessed the ability to work at great heights without vertigo or acrophobia being an issue. If someone can veryify this and add a piece to this effect to the article, this may be welcome. Perhaps if there are members of the Mohawk nation themselves who could verify this (possibly even some of those putative former construction workers?) then this would add considerable weight to what I have heard. Calilasseia 21:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Almost too many to list and sometimes I think it's a question of petulant vandalism, as in the residential school section; much of this article is POV in tone and needs de-POVizing....also the formal governments of the Mohawk should be articled separately; this by its title (small-n) is a "people"/ethno article properly. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
What follows is what OldSigma must say about POV. I have heartburn over the typical "University" approach to this subject, by this I mean the too uniform emphasis on supporting citations. I see this as a primary POV issue. When Kanien'keha (language) was being standardized the task force went to the people, to individuals who spoke the language. They didn't look for citations of what they were being told by the speakers (naturally many elderly). Where this article addresses what the people believed or what their culture included before the invasions, or as much as 100 years afterwards, it is inappropriate to look for a citation. I see it as disrespectful. If one is found it will be something written from the point of view of the invaders (among whom the majority of my ancestors figure). I think the topics need to be separated with history after the invasion being the main area where citations of the invaders' documents would appear. This would have to be balanced by citations of what the "invadees" reported as happening. Comments/information on cultural issues from the time of encounter likely originate with the invaders and might best be introduced with "It is alleged..." or similar phrasing (although they are in the minority, my ancestors would want this point made for them as they are now forever silent). As to sources: This is opinion and comes from me. OldSigma ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.128.44 ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 27 January 2015
I haven't added citation yet, but here's some generally credible sources:
Getting 'steely' about what we do!
Say a Montreal Iron Worker comes to Vancouver to work steel. Does he or she have to go back to college? Do we keep that displaced job title? Two legitimate questions arising from a potentially racist identity. This author prefers clear communication that avoids hurt and disgrace, and feels (no doubt with many others) that this is a legitimate concern. Perhaps the best course for Wikipedia is to change that title to "Iron and Steel Workers", and change every internal document use of iron into "steel". We do live in the 21st century after all. This will respect the noted history involving the deaths of many Mohawk "iron workers" early in the last century, while giving our people credit for their contribution to current construction! comment added by 24.84.2.75 ( talk) 18:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Little Hawk
The implication of the sentence in parantheses is that the origin of the "keepers of the Eastern Door"/guarding the confederacy against invasion from that direction term/context is connected with the arrival of Europeans in the early 17th Century. Does the term only date back that far?? i.e. was it only created in response to the arrival of the strangefsrs at "the eastern door" or is it older than that? If it's older tahn that, teh material in parantheses is synthesis, "connecting two dots to make six more". Skookum1 ( talk) 15:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
what is with the box at the bottom of the page listing proposed Canadian provinces? What does it have to do with this article? I will remove it soon if no one objects with a legitimate reason for keeping it. Camelbinky ( talk) 19:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The section has nothing to do with the Mohawk Nation and is filled with errors. The Casino and Gaming operations discussed belong to the St. Regis Mohawk Tribe, a federally recognized Indian tribe, and should be moved to that Article. The Mohawk Nation is not, and has not been in negotiations for a Casino in Sullivan County as mentioned. The Mohawk Nation is not party to the gaming compact between New York State and the St. Regis Mohawk Tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.21.62 ( talk) 21:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
An IP is intent on replacing "Mohawk" with "mohawk". I have reverted it three times and classified it as vandalism. The IP added the following to my talk page:
hi Tom, the POV you keep reverting to does not apply to the Mohawk Nation. Other Indian population may meet your pov but the Iroquois, Six Nations, & members do not. The sub-civilizing POV is a product of 19th & 20th century ethnocentrism. onen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.95.71 ( talk) 16:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
If this makes sense to anybody else, please educate me. Otherwise please revert it again. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 17:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Personally, it wouldn't offend me at all if the article were renamed "Mohawk Nation", although something closer to Kanienkehaka is preferable in my mind. The real issue here is trying to get consensus for any proposed name change, something that would probably leave both of us out of luck. But that's the nature of the encyclopedia, isn't it. Deconstructhis ( talk) 00:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that there is no section describing the form of warfare or the practice of capturing and torturing opponents. It is pretty clear from the contemporary english and french accounts, that one of reasons the Mohawk were feared was their practice of eating the hearts of butchered captives. Vontrotta ( talk) 21:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
It sounds odd to me, that quill work and using sinew as stiching thread would be introduced to the Mohawk only after they started wearing cotton shirts and woolen trousers.I am not an expert, but this is like one is saying: Later muskets and winchesters where introduced, after which the use of clubs, spears and bow and arrow gained in popularity.
Later dress after European contact combined some cloth pieces such as the males ribbon shirt in addition to the place of the deerskin clothing, and wool trousers and skirts. For a time many Mohawk peoples incorporated a combination of the older styles of dress with newly introduced forms of clothing. According to author Kanatiiosh in "Hodenasaunee Clothing and & Other Cultural Items" Mohawk as a part of the Hodenasaunee Confederacy: "Traditionally used furs obtained from the woodland, which consisted of elk and deer hides, corn husks, and they also wove plant and tree fibers to produce [the] clothing". Later Sinew or animal gut was cleaned and prepared as a thread for garments and footwear and was threaded to porcupine quills or sharp leg bones, in order to sew or pierce eyeholes for threading.'
Guest-- 78.94.210.180 ( talk) 13:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
There is what looks to be an attempt to insert a subsection titled "aggression." Apart from failed formatting, the section is poorly written, very POV and uncited except for a direct link. The section basically just states that the Mohawk were inordinately violent, enjoying torture and cannibalism. There are no qualifications or examinations of these statements.
The unformatted link leads to what is apparently a middle school student's paper with no sources or citations and highly inaccurate information (for example, it states that "most, if not all" Native Americans were cannibals, and that the Aztec performed human sacrifice because they had no other source of protein.).
I'm removing this section; if someone wants to put it back, you need to format it properly, get some citations other than one student's (bad) essay and attempt to write the entry with an objective viewpoint. In case that's unclear, describing a people as "the most violent and sadistic in existence" is NOT objective.
The Cap'n (
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22:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the name of this article should be changed. "Mohawk" is not the name the "Kanien'kehá:ka" use for themselves - it is a name given to them by the Narragansett, an ennemy tribe, and is meant as an insult. We should consider renaming this article and references to it to Kanien'kehá:ka or maybe the easier transliteration Kanienkeháka or Kanienkehaka. TheAnarcat ( talk) 14:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Within our communities, we know our names. The article points out what we refer to ourselves as. Other tribes have the same issue with what they call themselves vs. what the Americans know them as. It's okay in this instance since this is meant for education, not gospel truth. We've identified ourselves with our name in this article. Let the users continue to learn about our people and who we are. It's better for us to put more effort into keeping the other statements on this page truthful and correct. 161.130.188.30 ( talk) 17:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)Karihtonowenstsía Quackenbush
I've removed them all as unsourced & dubious. Native American Justice By Laurence French, 2003, gives 25,000 in the US and Canada. [3]. This gives a few figures for the 90s (note 'small' population in Brooklyn). They aren't in the 2010 census. Dougweller ( talk) 11:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
This is not factual "Beginning in 1669, missionaries attempted to convert many Mohawks from paganism to Christianity". To label the Mohawk belief structure as 'paganism' is a point of view from European Christianity. The Mohawks had their own name for a monotheastic creator(Hahgwehdiyu). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.177.221 ( talk) 15:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I just scanned the list of people, seems incomplete.....there was an Olympic paddler, I think his sport was, who was one of the Mohawk commentors on Newsworld during the Oka Crisis, can't remember his name, but he's not the Olympian who's the only one on the list so far. I'll look over the Canadian Olympians categories and see if I can pick him out. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure I've remembered her name right, and it surprises me she doesn't have an article....I'd thought she became an MP; she was the spokesperson for the Mohawk Woman's Council during the Oka Crisis, who performed negotiator/intermediary roles between the Mohawks and the SQ/Cdn Forces and also for the media. I'll try and get a stub on her today...surprised she's not here already.....and there's articles on some of the Mohawks involved at the standoff at Kahnesetake, I'll add them after looking at the Oka Crisis article to find their names/links. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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If I am not mistaken, the Pequot wars pretty much finished the Pequots. It was by New England colonialist (Ct,Ma, and Plymouth) with some help by Narragansett and Mohegan Nations. Which ambassador was killed is unclear, and it seems to be unlikely to have been by the Pequot people. Needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan Ames Fuller ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I scanned the article and didn't find significant instances of "inappropriate or misinterpreted citations" or "weasel words". Rather than just remove the hatnotes I'll let someone more knowledgeable take a look. Peter Flass ( talk) 00:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I recalled this event when it occurred, The cite is "Group from St. Regis to return to land of Mohawk ancestors|Indians buy 322 acres of land for a fresh start|Hope to leave St. Regis troubles behind|Syracuse Herald Journal|Sunday, 9/12/93" but this isn't online so I don't want to ref something I can't read. Also, does anyone know if anything ever came of this? Is it still active or not? I added a paragraph, but if it's a dead issue it should probably be dropped. Peter Flass ( talk) 01:14, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Mohawk Indians often traveled by land on horse back, but canoes were the most common method of transportation. There are many different styles of Native American canoes, including three major categories: dugout canoes, bark canoes, and plank canoes. Dugout canoes are long, made from hollowed-out logs, and can carry many people. Bark canoes are made from elm bark and are light and fast. Plank canoes are made of cedar wood and the planks are seamed together rather than a single log being hollowed out. Canoeing is still popular among Mohawk Indians, but many of them use modern canoes. Craftsmen still make traditional Indian canoes although they are mainly used for display or cultural festivities.
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It's been touched on here in the Talk section, but it seems like the Etymology section of the site should at least make mention of the Mohawk/cannibal connection - separate from the question of whether the people practiced cannibalism or not. I have seen some sites claiming that the name given to the people by a competing tribe means "bear people," but still more reputable sites claim it means "flesh-eater." The Merriam-Webster dictionary says "Mohawk" means, literally, "cannibal," and cites usage dating back to 1640. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlickVicar ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
From the lead: "The name means "People of the Flint Place."" Which name? Mohawk or Kanien'kehá:ka?-- Khajidha ( talk) 13:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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I didn't feel comfortable making the change, but maybe "The Mohawk people (who identify as Kanien'kehá:ka)[...]" could instead be something like "The Kanien'kehá:ka ("People of the flint"; commonly known in English as Mohawk people)[...]". This would be to put the indigenous name first, even as the page title retains the colonial European one for ease of searching. There are certainly other pages where this is done, for example at Joseph Brant. 76.69.155.96 ( talk) 19:27, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, anybody hanging around who is able to confirm Ozenonton was the last tribal chief of the Mahawk tribe as published in the ( Nederlandsche Dagbladpers te Batavia from May 11, 1949) ? Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 06:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Anybody interested in the List of reviewers by subject? Might be helpfult with the name of this tribal chief. The description reads: Ozenonton, but the Dutch language newspaper dated May 12, 1949 spell the name Oskenonton (running deer) of the Chief. As there is a Oskenonton Island , I presume that is the correct spelling. Thank you for your time. :-) Lotje ( talk) 08:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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I think it's important to note that the Eagle and Silver Chain design is specifically the emblem and flag of the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory in Canada. As such, I don't think it can properly be said that it represents the Kanienʼkehá꞉ka as a whole. Would moving elsewhere from the infobox be best? I think at the very least we should include a note of its origin so as not to be misleading.
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I think perhaps "adopted" is inappropriate as terminology in cases of forcible abduction, often involving rape.
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Anyone know anything about the Ironworking tradition of the Mohawks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.179.179 ( talk) 22:42, 21 November 2004 (UTC)
the language of the mohawks is alive and always has been alive. today, the young people have taken it upon themselves to learn and teach the language where our elders have failed to do so. It is taught now at home and in the schools, beginning with a childs preschool years. no, it is not dead or extinct nor was it ever. more whitemans propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.212.224.193 ( talk) 23:40, 19 February 2005 (UTC)
Can someone clarify the following sentence: One large group of Mohawks, who were expelled by the United States as traitors were given land by the British Governor Craig and imposed to French speaking Quebecois who were refused new land because of not being English.? I would do it, but I don't understand what it's trying to say. What does "imposed to" mean? — Pburka 1 July 2005 02:31 (UTC)
The flag that was briefly at the top of this page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mohawk-flag.jpg / http://crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ca_mohak.html) is representative of the Mohawk warrior society, and not the Mohawk community as a whole. The individual Haudenosaunee nations' flags are variants of the Haudenosaunee nation's flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hauflag.png . The St. Regis band council probably has its own flag as well. There is nothing wrong with putting the flag of the Warrior society in the article next to text about warrior societies, but considering there isn't even mention of Haudenosaunee warrior societies on wikipedia yet, I think that should wait - putting the warrior society flag on this article gives a very wrong impression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianski ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
"The Mohawk Nation, as part of the Iroquois Confederacy, were signatories to the treaties concluding the
Congress of Vienna in 1837.". Congress of Vienna took place in 1814-15. I doubt whether any Native Americans were present in Vienna because the congress took no decisions on any American borders. This sentence needs changing anyway because the date is obviously wrong. I would suggest deleting it and rephrasing the next "five years later" setence.
I suspect that if the Mohawks were present at any European treaty negociations it must have been the
Treaty of Ghent of 1814 which ended the
War of 1812. Great Britain tried to create an Idian buffor state and therefore could have included some Native Americans in its delegtion. However, I cannot find a cource confirming this, also.
Friendly Neighbour
19:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone inform me if people belonging to the Mohawk nation were employed as construction workers on tall buildings? I have heard a story that they were chosen for this task because they possessed the ability to work at great heights without vertigo or acrophobia being an issue. If someone can veryify this and add a piece to this effect to the article, this may be welcome. Perhaps if there are members of the Mohawk nation themselves who could verify this (possibly even some of those putative former construction workers?) then this would add considerable weight to what I have heard. Calilasseia 21:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
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Almost too many to list and sometimes I think it's a question of petulant vandalism, as in the residential school section; much of this article is POV in tone and needs de-POVizing....also the formal governments of the Mohawk should be articled separately; this by its title (small-n) is a "people"/ethno article properly. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
What follows is what OldSigma must say about POV. I have heartburn over the typical "University" approach to this subject, by this I mean the too uniform emphasis on supporting citations. I see this as a primary POV issue. When Kanien'keha (language) was being standardized the task force went to the people, to individuals who spoke the language. They didn't look for citations of what they were being told by the speakers (naturally many elderly). Where this article addresses what the people believed or what their culture included before the invasions, or as much as 100 years afterwards, it is inappropriate to look for a citation. I see it as disrespectful. If one is found it will be something written from the point of view of the invaders (among whom the majority of my ancestors figure). I think the topics need to be separated with history after the invasion being the main area where citations of the invaders' documents would appear. This would have to be balanced by citations of what the "invadees" reported as happening. Comments/information on cultural issues from the time of encounter likely originate with the invaders and might best be introduced with "It is alleged..." or similar phrasing (although they are in the minority, my ancestors would want this point made for them as they are now forever silent). As to sources: This is opinion and comes from me. OldSigma ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.128.44 ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 27 January 2015
I haven't added citation yet, but here's some generally credible sources:
Getting 'steely' about what we do!
Say a Montreal Iron Worker comes to Vancouver to work steel. Does he or she have to go back to college? Do we keep that displaced job title? Two legitimate questions arising from a potentially racist identity. This author prefers clear communication that avoids hurt and disgrace, and feels (no doubt with many others) that this is a legitimate concern. Perhaps the best course for Wikipedia is to change that title to "Iron and Steel Workers", and change every internal document use of iron into "steel". We do live in the 21st century after all. This will respect the noted history involving the deaths of many Mohawk "iron workers" early in the last century, while giving our people credit for their contribution to current construction! comment added by 24.84.2.75 ( talk) 18:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Little Hawk
The implication of the sentence in parantheses is that the origin of the "keepers of the Eastern Door"/guarding the confederacy against invasion from that direction term/context is connected with the arrival of Europeans in the early 17th Century. Does the term only date back that far?? i.e. was it only created in response to the arrival of the strangefsrs at "the eastern door" or is it older than that? If it's older tahn that, teh material in parantheses is synthesis, "connecting two dots to make six more". Skookum1 ( talk) 15:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
what is with the box at the bottom of the page listing proposed Canadian provinces? What does it have to do with this article? I will remove it soon if no one objects with a legitimate reason for keeping it. Camelbinky ( talk) 19:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
The section has nothing to do with the Mohawk Nation and is filled with errors. The Casino and Gaming operations discussed belong to the St. Regis Mohawk Tribe, a federally recognized Indian tribe, and should be moved to that Article. The Mohawk Nation is not, and has not been in negotiations for a Casino in Sullivan County as mentioned. The Mohawk Nation is not party to the gaming compact between New York State and the St. Regis Mohawk Tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.21.62 ( talk) 21:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
An IP is intent on replacing "Mohawk" with "mohawk". I have reverted it three times and classified it as vandalism. The IP added the following to my talk page:
hi Tom, the POV you keep reverting to does not apply to the Mohawk Nation. Other Indian population may meet your pov but the Iroquois, Six Nations, & members do not. The sub-civilizing POV is a product of 19th & 20th century ethnocentrism. onen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.95.71 ( talk) 16:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
If this makes sense to anybody else, please educate me. Otherwise please revert it again. Tom (North Shoreman) ( talk) 17:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Personally, it wouldn't offend me at all if the article were renamed "Mohawk Nation", although something closer to Kanienkehaka is preferable in my mind. The real issue here is trying to get consensus for any proposed name change, something that would probably leave both of us out of luck. But that's the nature of the encyclopedia, isn't it. Deconstructhis ( talk) 00:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I notice that there is no section describing the form of warfare or the practice of capturing and torturing opponents. It is pretty clear from the contemporary english and french accounts, that one of reasons the Mohawk were feared was their practice of eating the hearts of butchered captives. Vontrotta ( talk) 21:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
It sounds odd to me, that quill work and using sinew as stiching thread would be introduced to the Mohawk only after they started wearing cotton shirts and woolen trousers.I am not an expert, but this is like one is saying: Later muskets and winchesters where introduced, after which the use of clubs, spears and bow and arrow gained in popularity.
Later dress after European contact combined some cloth pieces such as the males ribbon shirt in addition to the place of the deerskin clothing, and wool trousers and skirts. For a time many Mohawk peoples incorporated a combination of the older styles of dress with newly introduced forms of clothing. According to author Kanatiiosh in "Hodenasaunee Clothing and & Other Cultural Items" Mohawk as a part of the Hodenasaunee Confederacy: "Traditionally used furs obtained from the woodland, which consisted of elk and deer hides, corn husks, and they also wove plant and tree fibers to produce [the] clothing". Later Sinew or animal gut was cleaned and prepared as a thread for garments and footwear and was threaded to porcupine quills or sharp leg bones, in order to sew or pierce eyeholes for threading.'
Guest-- 78.94.210.180 ( talk) 13:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
There is what looks to be an attempt to insert a subsection titled "aggression." Apart from failed formatting, the section is poorly written, very POV and uncited except for a direct link. The section basically just states that the Mohawk were inordinately violent, enjoying torture and cannibalism. There are no qualifications or examinations of these statements.
The unformatted link leads to what is apparently a middle school student's paper with no sources or citations and highly inaccurate information (for example, it states that "most, if not all" Native Americans were cannibals, and that the Aztec performed human sacrifice because they had no other source of protein.).
I'm removing this section; if someone wants to put it back, you need to format it properly, get some citations other than one student's (bad) essay and attempt to write the entry with an objective viewpoint. In case that's unclear, describing a people as "the most violent and sadistic in existence" is NOT objective.
The Cap'n (
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22:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the name of this article should be changed. "Mohawk" is not the name the "Kanien'kehá:ka" use for themselves - it is a name given to them by the Narragansett, an ennemy tribe, and is meant as an insult. We should consider renaming this article and references to it to Kanien'kehá:ka or maybe the easier transliteration Kanienkeháka or Kanienkehaka. TheAnarcat ( talk) 14:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Within our communities, we know our names. The article points out what we refer to ourselves as. Other tribes have the same issue with what they call themselves vs. what the Americans know them as. It's okay in this instance since this is meant for education, not gospel truth. We've identified ourselves with our name in this article. Let the users continue to learn about our people and who we are. It's better for us to put more effort into keeping the other statements on this page truthful and correct. 161.130.188.30 ( talk) 17:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)Karihtonowenstsía Quackenbush
I've removed them all as unsourced & dubious. Native American Justice By Laurence French, 2003, gives 25,000 in the US and Canada. [3]. This gives a few figures for the 90s (note 'small' population in Brooklyn). They aren't in the 2010 census. Dougweller ( talk) 11:38, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
This is not factual "Beginning in 1669, missionaries attempted to convert many Mohawks from paganism to Christianity". To label the Mohawk belief structure as 'paganism' is a point of view from European Christianity. The Mohawks had their own name for a monotheastic creator(Hahgwehdiyu). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.177.221 ( talk) 15:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I just scanned the list of people, seems incomplete.....there was an Olympic paddler, I think his sport was, who was one of the Mohawk commentors on Newsworld during the Oka Crisis, can't remember his name, but he's not the Olympian who's the only one on the list so far. I'll look over the Canadian Olympians categories and see if I can pick him out. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure I've remembered her name right, and it surprises me she doesn't have an article....I'd thought she became an MP; she was the spokesperson for the Mohawk Woman's Council during the Oka Crisis, who performed negotiator/intermediary roles between the Mohawks and the SQ/Cdn Forces and also for the media. I'll try and get a stub on her today...surprised she's not here already.....and there's articles on some of the Mohawks involved at the standoff at Kahnesetake, I'll add them after looking at the Oka Crisis article to find their names/links. Skookum1 ( talk) 04:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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If I am not mistaken, the Pequot wars pretty much finished the Pequots. It was by New England colonialist (Ct,Ma, and Plymouth) with some help by Narragansett and Mohegan Nations. Which ambassador was killed is unclear, and it seems to be unlikely to have been by the Pequot people. Needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan Ames Fuller ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I scanned the article and didn't find significant instances of "inappropriate or misinterpreted citations" or "weasel words". Rather than just remove the hatnotes I'll let someone more knowledgeable take a look. Peter Flass ( talk) 00:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I recalled this event when it occurred, The cite is "Group from St. Regis to return to land of Mohawk ancestors|Indians buy 322 acres of land for a fresh start|Hope to leave St. Regis troubles behind|Syracuse Herald Journal|Sunday, 9/12/93" but this isn't online so I don't want to ref something I can't read. Also, does anyone know if anything ever came of this? Is it still active or not? I added a paragraph, but if it's a dead issue it should probably be dropped. Peter Flass ( talk) 01:14, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Mohawk Indians often traveled by land on horse back, but canoes were the most common method of transportation. There are many different styles of Native American canoes, including three major categories: dugout canoes, bark canoes, and plank canoes. Dugout canoes are long, made from hollowed-out logs, and can carry many people. Bark canoes are made from elm bark and are light and fast. Plank canoes are made of cedar wood and the planks are seamed together rather than a single log being hollowed out. Canoeing is still popular among Mohawk Indians, but many of them use modern canoes. Craftsmen still make traditional Indian canoes although they are mainly used for display or cultural festivities.
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It's been touched on here in the Talk section, but it seems like the Etymology section of the site should at least make mention of the Mohawk/cannibal connection - separate from the question of whether the people practiced cannibalism or not. I have seen some sites claiming that the name given to the people by a competing tribe means "bear people," but still more reputable sites claim it means "flesh-eater." The Merriam-Webster dictionary says "Mohawk" means, literally, "cannibal," and cites usage dating back to 1640. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlickVicar ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
From the lead: "The name means "People of the Flint Place."" Which name? Mohawk or Kanien'kehá:ka?-- Khajidha ( talk) 13:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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I didn't feel comfortable making the change, but maybe "The Mohawk people (who identify as Kanien'kehá:ka)[...]" could instead be something like "The Kanien'kehá:ka ("People of the flint"; commonly known in English as Mohawk people)[...]". This would be to put the indigenous name first, even as the page title retains the colonial European one for ease of searching. There are certainly other pages where this is done, for example at Joseph Brant. 76.69.155.96 ( talk) 19:27, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi, anybody hanging around who is able to confirm Ozenonton was the last tribal chief of the Mahawk tribe as published in the ( Nederlandsche Dagbladpers te Batavia from May 11, 1949) ? Thank you for your time. Lotje ( talk) 06:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Anybody interested in the List of reviewers by subject? Might be helpfult with the name of this tribal chief. The description reads: Ozenonton, but the Dutch language newspaper dated May 12, 1949 spell the name Oskenonton (running deer) of the Chief. As there is a Oskenonton Island , I presume that is the correct spelling. Thank you for your time. :-) Lotje ( talk) 08:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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I think it's important to note that the Eagle and Silver Chain design is specifically the emblem and flag of the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory in Canada. As such, I don't think it can properly be said that it represents the Kanienʼkehá꞉ka as a whole. Would moving elsewhere from the infobox be best? I think at the very least we should include a note of its origin so as not to be misleading.
——— Iguanaparrots ( talk) 06:37, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I think perhaps "adopted" is inappropriate as terminology in cases of forcible abduction, often involving rape.
(Sorry for not being logged on, away from my normal computer.) 73.214.96.211 ( talk) 18:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)