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It seems interesting that Mohawk, like many other North American languages, is very poor in labials. The Athabaskan languages are generally labial-poor (see, for instance, the Navajo phonemic inventory), as are Wichita and Tlingit. Are there any theories as to why this may be? thefamouseccles 10-05-2003 0813 GMT
I wouldn't take that theory too far -- Algonquian, Siouan and Muskogean have plenty of labials.
In Bonvillain's book she mentions that the language does not have the labial consonants m, p, or b except in some loanwords from later English contact. For example /madZis/ 'matches' (forgive my lack of IPA, dZ is the voiced alveolar affricate). Earlier French loanwords were reanalyzed within the existing Mohawk phonetic inventory (?uwa:li?/ 'Marie') DS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.206.72 ( talk) 17:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible that the graph nh refers to nasalization of a preceding vowel, and then /h/? QuartierLatin1968 06:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If it does not have bilabials, what is the language called in Mohawk? I guess it's somewhere within onkwehonwehneha which appears in the list of phrases. Wikipeditor 10:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you all. I've added “Kanien’kéha” to the template. If you can settle on how to transcribe it using IPA, perhaps that (or an audio file, or both) would be nice to have in the article – only if it's no work for you, of course. Wikipeditor 21:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: In Lyle Campbell's American Indian Languages: The Historical Linguistics of Native America (1997, Oxford University Press), he says of the name, "'Mohawk' is an Algonquian name; of the various spellings that appeared in earlier sources, Roger Williams's <Mohowawogs'> was etymologically the most correct--with English -s 'plural' added to a Narragansett or Massachusett word for 'people-eaters' (compare the Unami Delaware cognate mhuwé·yɔk) (Goddard 1978:478)". This is on page 401. So...there you have it, I guess. -- Miskwito 22:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In one of my Mohawk books, <wh> is described as "wh is a soft f by letting breath through the lips", an example given is sentawha (peach). I have a sound sample of that word (though I don't remember where I found it), and it sounds like a voiceless bilabial fricative [ɸ], which was what I had suspected. When going over some of the more detailed pronounciation guides it does seem that Mohawk has a quite extensive consonant inventory in general. In addition to the voiced allophones, there seems to be an aspirated, palatalized, and a labialized set. The nasal also seems to occur palatalized or even palatal, and the "w" occurs devoiced. Am I fantasizing here or can someone confirm this? -- Chlämens 00:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Are the consonants in the "Dental" column really dental and not alveolar? If so, the dental diacritic should be added to all of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limetom ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
There's something odd in here, when a dialect called "Ahkwesáhsne" is listed as only having 2-consonant clusters. Also, furthermore there are mentions of /tj kj kw/ clusters, which aren't covered in the list (or now, table) either. Is this a case of simple omission, or are these eg. only the syllable-initial clusters (with other clusters resulting from syllable-final C + syllable-initial C(C)?) -- Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 10:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
You're right. If you check the Bonvillain grammar you will see an extensive list of CCC CCCC and CCCCC clusters which are acceptable in the language. DS Another source is Karin Michelson's "A comparative study of lake-iroquoian accent" where she has similar tables for Cayuga, Onondaga, Oneida, and Seneca. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.206.72 ( talk) 17:34, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
In Mohawk, the letter e has two pronunciations, ɛ and e. Is there any way to tell which pronunciation should be used? - Mike Oosting ( talk) 23:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The main article could be improved by adding a link to an article on Mohawk grammar. Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 09:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
This sentence in the article is quite confusing: "As of 1994 there were approximately 7,500 (as of 2008) speakers of Mohawk, primarily in Quebec, Ontario and western New York." Does this mean the numbers remained stable in the period 1994 - 2008? If so, I'm sure this could worded more clearly. - Duncan Sneddon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.238.23 ( talk) 22:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all. I am a linguistics student in university, and one of our tasks was to expand a section of an endangered native american language. I have chosen mohawk. As far as the edits go, I have gotten my hands on two books, "A Thousand Words Of Mohawk" and "A Grammar Of Awkwesasne Mohawk." I will be importing information from these texts and try to expand on the grammar section of this page. I am new to wikipedia editing however, so any and all help formatting would be greatly appreciated.
Additionally, I will be attempting to expand the French version of this page. Any help there would be greatly appreciated.
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In the lead, the IPA is given as [ɡa.njʌ̃ʔ.ˈɡe.ha], but in the infobox it's [ɡɑ.njʌ̃ʔ.ˈɡɛ.ha]—there are differences in both the first and third syllables. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:01, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed that the phonology section is unsourced (except for one source to firstvoices, which I just removed -- it's not RS I don't think). Can this be alleviated? Additionally, I am very interested in whatever source it is for the claim that the alveopalatal affricate is voiced. Although I admit there are some problematic issues with recordings of Native American/First Nations languages, this phoneme has always sounded quite voiceless to me-- but I am interested in finding more literature on this, so please give me a ping. Cheers all and thanks. -- Calthinus ( talk) 01:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
The map shows the range of Mohawk speakers only in the USA. Can someone please replace it with a map of North America, showing how that range extends into Canada also, please? — OwenBlacker ( talk; please {{ ping}} me in replies) 13:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
It's troubling that the blurb about A.G. Bell is longer than the "History" section it flows from; the latter also really isn't a history of the language, but a broad overview of the territorial extent of the broader Haudenosaunee Confederacy. Boo-urns <throws popcorn> 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:1109:E5C8:A437:3492 ( talk) 03:34, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
This section is just nonsense from a linguistic point of view. The reference number [7] is a pseudo reference that leads to an online translation service portal. The section ends
"Secondary sources[8] are excellent ways at understanding a language to keep it revitalized, which is why dictionaries are good for learning, but should not be the basis of learning a language because emotions and culture can be lost in translation."
a sentence as close to directly contradictory as one can imagine. I have deleted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.121.235 ( talk) 16:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
the map shows where in the US Mohawk is spoken, but the language is also spoken on the other side of the border. the map should be updated to include the areas in Canada where Mohawk is spoken. TyrocP ( talk) 21:56, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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It seems interesting that Mohawk, like many other North American languages, is very poor in labials. The Athabaskan languages are generally labial-poor (see, for instance, the Navajo phonemic inventory), as are Wichita and Tlingit. Are there any theories as to why this may be? thefamouseccles 10-05-2003 0813 GMT
I wouldn't take that theory too far -- Algonquian, Siouan and Muskogean have plenty of labials.
In Bonvillain's book she mentions that the language does not have the labial consonants m, p, or b except in some loanwords from later English contact. For example /madZis/ 'matches' (forgive my lack of IPA, dZ is the voiced alveolar affricate). Earlier French loanwords were reanalyzed within the existing Mohawk phonetic inventory (?uwa:li?/ 'Marie') DS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.206.72 ( talk) 17:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible that the graph nh refers to nasalization of a preceding vowel, and then /h/? QuartierLatin1968 06:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If it does not have bilabials, what is the language called in Mohawk? I guess it's somewhere within onkwehonwehneha which appears in the list of phrases. Wikipeditor 10:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you all. I've added “Kanien’kéha” to the template. If you can settle on how to transcribe it using IPA, perhaps that (or an audio file, or both) would be nice to have in the article – only if it's no work for you, of course. Wikipeditor 21:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: In Lyle Campbell's American Indian Languages: The Historical Linguistics of Native America (1997, Oxford University Press), he says of the name, "'Mohawk' is an Algonquian name; of the various spellings that appeared in earlier sources, Roger Williams's <Mohowawogs'> was etymologically the most correct--with English -s 'plural' added to a Narragansett or Massachusett word for 'people-eaters' (compare the Unami Delaware cognate mhuwé·yɔk) (Goddard 1978:478)". This is on page 401. So...there you have it, I guess. -- Miskwito 22:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In one of my Mohawk books, <wh> is described as "wh is a soft f by letting breath through the lips", an example given is sentawha (peach). I have a sound sample of that word (though I don't remember where I found it), and it sounds like a voiceless bilabial fricative [ɸ], which was what I had suspected. When going over some of the more detailed pronounciation guides it does seem that Mohawk has a quite extensive consonant inventory in general. In addition to the voiced allophones, there seems to be an aspirated, palatalized, and a labialized set. The nasal also seems to occur palatalized or even palatal, and the "w" occurs devoiced. Am I fantasizing here or can someone confirm this? -- Chlämens 00:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Are the consonants in the "Dental" column really dental and not alveolar? If so, the dental diacritic should be added to all of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limetom ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
There's something odd in here, when a dialect called "Ahkwesáhsne" is listed as only having 2-consonant clusters. Also, furthermore there are mentions of /tj kj kw/ clusters, which aren't covered in the list (or now, table) either. Is this a case of simple omission, or are these eg. only the syllable-initial clusters (with other clusters resulting from syllable-final C + syllable-initial C(C)?) -- Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 10:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
You're right. If you check the Bonvillain grammar you will see an extensive list of CCC CCCC and CCCCC clusters which are acceptable in the language. DS Another source is Karin Michelson's "A comparative study of lake-iroquoian accent" where she has similar tables for Cayuga, Onondaga, Oneida, and Seneca. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.206.72 ( talk) 17:34, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
In Mohawk, the letter e has two pronunciations, ɛ and e. Is there any way to tell which pronunciation should be used? - Mike Oosting ( talk) 23:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
The main article could be improved by adding a link to an article on Mohawk grammar. Dexter Nextnumber ( talk) 09:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
This sentence in the article is quite confusing: "As of 1994 there were approximately 7,500 (as of 2008) speakers of Mohawk, primarily in Quebec, Ontario and western New York." Does this mean the numbers remained stable in the period 1994 - 2008? If so, I'm sure this could worded more clearly. - Duncan Sneddon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.238.23 ( talk) 22:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Greetings all. I am a linguistics student in university, and one of our tasks was to expand a section of an endangered native american language. I have chosen mohawk. As far as the edits go, I have gotten my hands on two books, "A Thousand Words Of Mohawk" and "A Grammar Of Awkwesasne Mohawk." I will be importing information from these texts and try to expand on the grammar section of this page. I am new to wikipedia editing however, so any and all help formatting would be greatly appreciated.
Additionally, I will be attempting to expand the French version of this page. Any help there would be greatly appreciated.
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 01:13, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
In the lead, the IPA is given as [ɡa.njʌ̃ʔ.ˈɡe.ha], but in the infobox it's [ɡɑ.njʌ̃ʔ.ˈɡɛ.ha]—there are differences in both the first and third syllables. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:01, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed that the phonology section is unsourced (except for one source to firstvoices, which I just removed -- it's not RS I don't think). Can this be alleviated? Additionally, I am very interested in whatever source it is for the claim that the alveopalatal affricate is voiced. Although I admit there are some problematic issues with recordings of Native American/First Nations languages, this phoneme has always sounded quite voiceless to me-- but I am interested in finding more literature on this, so please give me a ping. Cheers all and thanks. -- Calthinus ( talk) 01:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
The map shows the range of Mohawk speakers only in the USA. Can someone please replace it with a map of North America, showing how that range extends into Canada also, please? — OwenBlacker ( talk; please {{ ping}} me in replies) 13:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
It's troubling that the blurb about A.G. Bell is longer than the "History" section it flows from; the latter also really isn't a history of the language, but a broad overview of the territorial extent of the broader Haudenosaunee Confederacy. Boo-urns <throws popcorn> 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:1109:E5C8:A437:3492 ( talk) 03:34, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
This section is just nonsense from a linguistic point of view. The reference number [7] is a pseudo reference that leads to an online translation service portal. The section ends
"Secondary sources[8] are excellent ways at understanding a language to keep it revitalized, which is why dictionaries are good for learning, but should not be the basis of learning a language because emotions and culture can be lost in translation."
a sentence as close to directly contradictory as one can imagine. I have deleted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.121.235 ( talk) 16:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
the map shows where in the US Mohawk is spoken, but the language is also spoken on the other side of the border. the map should be updated to include the areas in Canada where Mohawk is spoken. TyrocP ( talk) 21:56, 28 December 2023 (UTC)