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There is definite confusion in cricketing circles about Shami's actual name. Wisden 2013 has him listed as Shami Ahmed, as does his ESPNcricinfo biography (although not the page itself, which still refers to him as Mohammad Shami) which has his full name listed as Mohammad Shami Ahmed. However, in this interview published a few months ago, he claims that the Ahmed has been falsely attached to his name:
"Among many things that confounded Mohammed Shami was that extra baggage of “Ahmed” to his name. In the span of two weeks, he resoundingly ensured that his name wouldn’t be messed about. “I don’t know how my name got that tail. I’m Mohammed Shami, not Shami Ahmed,” he grinned." ŋ
It seems that all three are used quite widely at the moment, although Mohammad Shami is often accepted as the correct one. Does anyone have more conclusive evidence than what I've provided above as to his genuine name? Even the most official sources were making a mistake in calling him Shami Ahmed to begin with, so I'm not sure which sources to rely on. Ultimately, if there is no Ahmed in his name, which he hints at in the above interview, then his full name should not be listed as Mohammad Shami Ahmed in this article, as it is currently. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC) My Name Is Subhdeep Plz Win The World Cup 2015 For Me
What's up with his born place? There are 2 different places given in the article. Isn't it as it is given here? Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi ( talk) 21:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC) My Name Is Subhdeep Plz Win The World Cup 2015 For Me 9717353349
As per the source I am citing, the birth place of Shami is Jonagar, Bengal. [1] Isn't it ?
Ahmed is a part of name of Mohammed Shami. Nitishph ( talk) 14:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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I think this page is eligible for B Class. Can anyone tell me in which sections should this project be improved to meet the criterias of B Class? (If it has not already met it) 202.142.67.57 ( talk) 08:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, but I, being a new user, don't know how and where to change. I'll be glad if you kindly assist me in this context. Note that, this page is already rated A class in two sections and GA class in the 'WikiProject Biography / Sports and Games' section.
Thank you. I am trying to elaborate the article as much as I can. I'll be glad if you help and assist me in this context. Can you give me any suggestions about how to improve the article we are talking about to promote it?
But, will you rewrite the sections after sections you have removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 09:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
BSK, you have removed the whole IPL section. There is not a single information about 2021 IPL performance of Shami. After your continuous removal, the article has become wee. So, responsibility should be taken to rewrite the article section by section. Otherwise, what is the meaning of deletion if it is not rephrased? Can you answer? 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 09:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Edit summary: BSK, if you regularly follow IPL 2021, then you should know that the campaign of Punjab Kings have already been ended, so have been Shami's. Anyway, although I have reverted your edit, but I have not reverted the whole section. I have not changed the sub-section of IPL into section. It has remained unaltered since your last edit. Again I have removed some of the unnecessary, hyperbole, fan-cruft words like- ace, unaided etc to make the article neutral. I have also cited source after some sentences. For instance, a site has been cited for the controversial sentence--- "That spell of Shami will surely be vividly reminisced as one of the greatest super over spells in the history of Indian Premier League." The numbers of wicket taken, average etc have also been updated and corrected. Even, I have not added Shami's performance in 2021 IPL as per your remark. The same has been done to the T20 Cricket section. So, please don't rollback and revert my edit. If you find any other lines or words to be exuberant, then remove only that particular word and not the whole section or better at first discuss it in the talk page with other editors. Ok, BSK, this is all for now. I have n't written this in the edit summary due to the word limit present there. Anyway, looking forward to hearing from you. Have a great time. 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 08:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes, BSK, please rescue something from my edit. It required a huge span of time for doing those edits, especially the new section one. But what I wrote in the new section you removed was only a summary of the reliable cited source. So, please restore that section and at least some parts of my edit as soon as possible. Please BSK, it's my earnest request to you. Thank you. 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 15:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I have viewed the table and replied in the talk page of the anonymous user.
Now, should we remove the template?
@ Blue Square Thing:, yes, the template that shows 'the article has multiple issues...' At Least, I think some of the points should be removed. Anyway, can you please add a few images to this article? For eg, you may add one image of Shami in PBKS jersey, one in test jersey. I am telling you to do because I don't know how to add an image. I even don't know whether adding an image breaches copyright issues. Good luck. Soutut ( talk) 17:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
You mean, I have to share the link of a youtube video showing Shami. Have you done the same (taking screenshot) while inserting the image of Eden Gardens? Also, please have a look at the tables created. Soutut ( talk) 17:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I have found a photo of Shami in PBKS jersey in a youtube video, but I can't post the link. Please tell me the solution. Albeit, I don't know if there is copyright issues with that video. Soutut ( talk) 06:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Blue Square Thing:,'Can be irritating, Mohammed Shami on Bio Bubble...बायो बबल से 'परेशान हो सकते हैं, खिलाड़ी'- this is the title. Watch 1 mins 20 sec of this video. There you will find the image. 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 07:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, this video contains a genuine image of Shami in the jersey of Punjab Kings. 'Mohammed Shami पर Pakistan में भी चर्चा, क्रिकेट खिलाड़ियों और नेताओं ने क्या-क्या कहा? (BBC Hindi)' - this can also be seen. Soutut ( talk) 07:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I am requesting the other users to assist me to expand the section I have mentioned in the headline. I am also requesting to promote this article to B Class. 202.142.81.43 ( talk) 10:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I notice that various unregistered editors have repeatedly edited the WikiProject banners and removed this article from membership of WikiProject Crime without explaining why in their edit summaries. This article's membership of that WikiProject is due to accusations of crimes made against Mohammed Shami and those facts, alone, make this article of interest to WikiProject Crime. The presence of the WikiProject Crime banner merely indicates the project is interested in this article and is not intended to imply anything about the reputation of the subject in any way. Those accusations also do not make this article a Criminal Biography, otherwise a different banner would be used. The WikiProject banners form part of the overall quality assessment of this article and any unjustified changes or removals affect the integrity of the assessment process. Also, I would note that Wikipedia is not censored and the accusations made against Shami are a matter of public record. Because this is a biography of a living person of a public figure you can complain about the article. If you feel strongly enough to be offended by these facts or wish to suppress drawing attention to them, thus wanting to remove the crime banner, please explain yourself here, first, before attempting to remove the crime banner, again. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 02:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
My dear
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talk), you are forgetting that this is the article of CRICKETER Mohammed Shami. If the other users (especially my fellow INDIANS) agree to my point of view, then please support me in this context. Thank you.
Supporting 202.142.81.12 ( talk) 08:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't think so, Blue Square Thing ( talk) 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 08:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The banner should be removed. I am supporting the two unregistered users who commented here before.09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.81.30 ( talk)
I'm trying to make sense of this - but it's complex and I need some time to look into the details of the whole thing and find a tonne of reliable sources. I think there are two allegations - firstly one of match fixing and then one of domestic abuse and so on. They seem to have occurred at a similar time. Can anyone shed any light on these - and if there is anything else we need to include in this section? Thanks. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 09:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The following sources state that Shami is a fast bowler:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/mohammed-shami-481896
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/profile/mohammed-shami/28994.html
These sources are unquestionably and unarguably reliable. They also state that Shami was born in UP, whereas, two of the sources cited for fast-medium in the main page of the article show the birth place to be Jonagar. Is this the demo of reliability of the sources arguing Shami to be a fast-medium bowler?
Also, if the speed of 145-150 kmph is considered to be fast-medium, then what is the speed range of fast bowling? Soutut ( talk) 09:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I am citing another source in your favour, Soutut ( talk),
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=Mohammed%20Shami&role=bowler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
How can a bowler who bowls persistently at a speed of 145-150 kmph be called fast-medium? Isn't it hilarious and ridiculous? Also, we (I and Soutut) have put forward our references to show that Shami is unarguably a fast bowler. You too have done it. We have proved your links to be non-reliable, as they contain flaws, like the birthplace of Shami. If they are reliable, then we should consider the birth place of Shami to be Jonagar, Bengal and add the fact to the template. Then, the whole early life career in this article should be changed. Now, just as you have proved the flaws of your references, you should do the same. Note that, all the cricket scorecard in wikipedia contain ESPN's reference and not Cricbuzz's or such ones'. 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 16:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
An editor removed this section, calling it irrelevant. I don't agree with him, as it was the first pink ball match in the Indian soil. So, it has a huge significance. Shami was a part of the playing XI. I think this section should be restored. The other editors should comment here and convey their opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Also, I want the experienced users and editors to create the 'Bowling Style' section. (It was Blue Square Thing's plan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 12:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
{{ping|Blue Square Thing}}, I think the only solution is to describe the fact in a single sentence in a nutshell. Also, the anonymous user, you should wait, because BST always keeps his word of honour. He will surely add the section soon. --
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I'll add this now. It's a list of jobs that I think need to be worked on, with some suggestions and requests. Some are major, others are minor:
Those are the main areas to consider I think - and then the lead will, of course, need reworking a bit to reflect the article as a whole. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 20:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I think the following link is more convenient to verify the tabular data of Shami's IPL performance- https://www.iplt20.com/teams/punjab-kings/squad/94/mohammad-shami#:~:text=Mohammed%20Shami%20has%20revived%20his,tag%20of%20INR%204.8%20crore.&text=He%20had%20a%20fine%20run,19%20wickets%20from%2014%20games.
This link can be used to create the Bowling Style section- https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/aakash-chopra-how-mohammed-shami-flipped-the-switch-on-his-bowling-1172530
Also, the discussion of ESPN in the T20I section can be utilised in this context. Soutut ( talk) 08:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Blue Square Thing, your idea of the International section is superb, but will it not mess up with the three formats? Anyway I think it can be divided into the following sections:
1. Initial Years- This may include Shami's debut in international cricket and his performances before the 2015 World Cup. Albeit, very less amount of information is currently present inside the article regarding this.
2. 2015 World Cup- A section with this name is already created in the article.
3. Return from Injury / Rejuvenation of Cricket Career- This may include Shami's return in international cricket after his injury, his omission from the playing XI of Champions Trophy and T20 World Cup, his performances in the 2018 England tour and the most significant moment of his career- The Newzeland series.
4. 2019 World Cup and onwards- This may include Shami's performance in 2019 Cricket World Cup and the international matches he has played since then.
Along with these, Shami's performances in the World Test Championship matches- like the Australia tour, where Shami suffered an injury while batting should be included in the respective places.-- Soutut ( talk) 10:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
An unregistered user asked me to intervene on his behalf about the persistent removal of the injury sections and others. After grasping the matter, I have made an edit to this page. I think the removal of the injury section is justifiable, albeit portions of it can be restored later in other sections. However, I have restored the removal of the parts belonging to the Outside Cricket section. I think as the name of the section suggests, a little information outside cricket can be included. I shall later look out for a more reliable link. For the record section, I have restored one record and cited a different source which accurately verifies the matter. The best will be if Blue Square Thing, you interfere the matter and solve it. Gracias. Soutut ( talk) 17:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the fact is true. In reality, Shami is third fastest Indian pacer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 11:39, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Celebrity gossip and diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goal scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.Spike 'em ( talk) 17:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
'An editor has been continuously reverting my edit to this article. As I have found you to be one of the active editors of the article, I want you to intervene on my behalf. You can grasp the matter by going through the page history. Thank you in advance for helping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 (talk) 14:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok, let me look into the matter.Soutut (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)'- this is our conversation in my talk page. All right? Soutut ( talk) 17:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I am the unregistered user. Soutut and Spike em, please pardon me for carrying on the conversation in Soutut's talk page rather than here. I thought that some information outside cricket career of a cricketer could be included in an article. That's why, I added the stuff. Anyway, sorry again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 04:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I see, I will not make such edits further. I promise. Anyway, I have found Shami's performance in the Bangladesh tour to be missing in this article. It was unarguably one of the rejuvenating moments of his career. I think it should be added. Perhaps Soutut can add the stuff better. Anyway, I other editors' opinions in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 07:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the tour of Bangladesh is missing in this article. I will add it soon. Soutut ( talk) 10:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Spike 'em ([[User talk:Spike 'em|talk], actually I am a novice to Wikipedia. So, I think the experienced ones like you can decide the matter. I just thought that a little bit information outside cricket could have been included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Spike 'em, I don't know whether you know the fact that India is traditionally a land of spinners. So, it's normal and natural that most of the Indian bowlers to fastest 100 test wickets are spinners. In that sense, it's not an insignificant record to be the 4th fastest Indian bowler to 100 test wickets. Also, when Shami achieved the feat, he was the 3rd fastest and that is suggested by the source. We may write that currently he is the 4th quickest fast bowler to...
While watching yesterday's World Cup match between India and Afghanistan, I noticed that the TV Channels describe Shami as right-arm fast bowler in the TV Screen. Btw, while searching Shami's education in the Google, it showed 'Mahatma Jyotiba Phule Rohilkhand University'. I don't think this fact to be trivial and I want it to be added to the article. Btw, Shami claimed his career-best T20 figures yesterday against Afghanistan, but as the tournament is currently ongoing, I think the fact should be added in the prose section of the article only after the event ends. Blue Square Thing and Spike 'em, I want your comments and opinions regarding this three matters. Also, I'd like to request BST to view the two videos, whose titles are provided in the 'Can this project be promoted to B Class?' section.
I have studied some sources about Shami's performance in the Bangladesh tour. I have found that Shami reached his career best ratings and rankings after that series. India's first pink ball test match also took place during the second match of the series and Shami was included in that match. This facts are worth-mentioning. To be honest, I am quite busy this week, but I will add the facts soon.
Thank you. -- Soutut ( talk) 08:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, please convey your opinion regarding the other matters. Soutut ( talk) 13:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
The stuff recently added goes against all of WP:NOTDIARY (overly-detailed/match-by-match coverage of his career), WP:NOTSTATS (many lists of unexplained statistics) and WP:NOTMIRROR (all of the stats are lifted straight from cricinfo). Also you should not put references in the section header, there is probably an MOS restriction against that too. Please edit this down, as I feel if I do it it will be rather swingeing. Spike 'em ( talk) 18:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Not contain citations or footnotes, which some of the stats sections added yesterday did have. Spike 'em ( talk) 13:33, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
My dear Spike 'em and Blue Square Thing, the problem of references at the header would have been fixed without removing the stats section. Blue Square Thing, could you please explain me why have you removed the whole section just remarking it to be out of context? A lots of articles of cricketers have a seperate section for stats only. If asked, I'm ready to cite their names here. Anyway, for now, I shall add only a single stats table at the end of each formats. Please response. Michri michri ( talk) 09:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
The discussion clearly states that "There's no consensus here that they should universally be included. Nor is there a clear consensus that such sections should be removed from all cricketer articles. There does, however, seem to be a pretty clear agreement from most participants that swathes of numbers or lists of awards, empty of content or context, are not appropriate for Wikipedia". By the way, I have a query to you, which I am posting in your talk page as it is not related to this article. Please don't ignore. Thanks, Blue Square Thing. -- Michri michri ( talk) 09:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Now I can understand what was going wrong with the stats table. Btw, then why some articles like Virat Kohli, Adam Gilchrist etc have a separate section for stats itself?
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP. Here is my reply. And talk in proper language. Michri michri ( talk) 09:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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There is definite confusion in cricketing circles about Shami's actual name. Wisden 2013 has him listed as Shami Ahmed, as does his ESPNcricinfo biography (although not the page itself, which still refers to him as Mohammad Shami) which has his full name listed as Mohammad Shami Ahmed. However, in this interview published a few months ago, he claims that the Ahmed has been falsely attached to his name:
"Among many things that confounded Mohammed Shami was that extra baggage of “Ahmed” to his name. In the span of two weeks, he resoundingly ensured that his name wouldn’t be messed about. “I don’t know how my name got that tail. I’m Mohammed Shami, not Shami Ahmed,” he grinned." ŋ
It seems that all three are used quite widely at the moment, although Mohammad Shami is often accepted as the correct one. Does anyone have more conclusive evidence than what I've provided above as to his genuine name? Even the most official sources were making a mistake in calling him Shami Ahmed to begin with, so I'm not sure which sources to rely on. Ultimately, if there is no Ahmed in his name, which he hints at in the above interview, then his full name should not be listed as Mohammad Shami Ahmed in this article, as it is currently. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC) My Name Is Subhdeep Plz Win The World Cup 2015 For Me
What's up with his born place? There are 2 different places given in the article. Isn't it as it is given here? Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi ( talk) 21:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC) My Name Is Subhdeep Plz Win The World Cup 2015 For Me 9717353349
As per the source I am citing, the birth place of Shami is Jonagar, Bengal. [1] Isn't it ?
Ahmed is a part of name of Mohammed Shami. Nitishph ( talk) 14:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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I think this page is eligible for B Class. Can anyone tell me in which sections should this project be improved to meet the criterias of B Class? (If it has not already met it) 202.142.67.57 ( talk) 08:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, but I, being a new user, don't know how and where to change. I'll be glad if you kindly assist me in this context. Note that, this page is already rated A class in two sections and GA class in the 'WikiProject Biography / Sports and Games' section.
Thank you. I am trying to elaborate the article as much as I can. I'll be glad if you help and assist me in this context. Can you give me any suggestions about how to improve the article we are talking about to promote it?
But, will you rewrite the sections after sections you have removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 09:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
BSK, you have removed the whole IPL section. There is not a single information about 2021 IPL performance of Shami. After your continuous removal, the article has become wee. So, responsibility should be taken to rewrite the article section by section. Otherwise, what is the meaning of deletion if it is not rephrased? Can you answer? 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 09:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Edit summary: BSK, if you regularly follow IPL 2021, then you should know that the campaign of Punjab Kings have already been ended, so have been Shami's. Anyway, although I have reverted your edit, but I have not reverted the whole section. I have not changed the sub-section of IPL into section. It has remained unaltered since your last edit. Again I have removed some of the unnecessary, hyperbole, fan-cruft words like- ace, unaided etc to make the article neutral. I have also cited source after some sentences. For instance, a site has been cited for the controversial sentence--- "That spell of Shami will surely be vividly reminisced as one of the greatest super over spells in the history of Indian Premier League." The numbers of wicket taken, average etc have also been updated and corrected. Even, I have not added Shami's performance in 2021 IPL as per your remark. The same has been done to the T20 Cricket section. So, please don't rollback and revert my edit. If you find any other lines or words to be exuberant, then remove only that particular word and not the whole section or better at first discuss it in the talk page with other editors. Ok, BSK, this is all for now. I have n't written this in the edit summary due to the word limit present there. Anyway, looking forward to hearing from you. Have a great time. 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 08:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes, BSK, please rescue something from my edit. It required a huge span of time for doing those edits, especially the new section one. But what I wrote in the new section you removed was only a summary of the reliable cited source. So, please restore that section and at least some parts of my edit as soon as possible. Please BSK, it's my earnest request to you. Thank you. 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 15:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I have viewed the table and replied in the talk page of the anonymous user.
Now, should we remove the template?
@ Blue Square Thing:, yes, the template that shows 'the article has multiple issues...' At Least, I think some of the points should be removed. Anyway, can you please add a few images to this article? For eg, you may add one image of Shami in PBKS jersey, one in test jersey. I am telling you to do because I don't know how to add an image. I even don't know whether adding an image breaches copyright issues. Good luck. Soutut ( talk) 17:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
You mean, I have to share the link of a youtube video showing Shami. Have you done the same (taking screenshot) while inserting the image of Eden Gardens? Also, please have a look at the tables created. Soutut ( talk) 17:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I have found a photo of Shami in PBKS jersey in a youtube video, but I can't post the link. Please tell me the solution. Albeit, I don't know if there is copyright issues with that video. Soutut ( talk) 06:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Blue Square Thing:,'Can be irritating, Mohammed Shami on Bio Bubble...बायो बबल से 'परेशान हो सकते हैं, खिलाड़ी'- this is the title. Watch 1 mins 20 sec of this video. There you will find the image. 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 07:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, this video contains a genuine image of Shami in the jersey of Punjab Kings. 'Mohammed Shami पर Pakistan में भी चर्चा, क्रिकेट खिलाड़ियों और नेताओं ने क्या-क्या कहा? (BBC Hindi)' - this can also be seen. Soutut ( talk) 07:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I am requesting the other users to assist me to expand the section I have mentioned in the headline. I am also requesting to promote this article to B Class. 202.142.81.43 ( talk) 10:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
I notice that various unregistered editors have repeatedly edited the WikiProject banners and removed this article from membership of WikiProject Crime without explaining why in their edit summaries. This article's membership of that WikiProject is due to accusations of crimes made against Mohammed Shami and those facts, alone, make this article of interest to WikiProject Crime. The presence of the WikiProject Crime banner merely indicates the project is interested in this article and is not intended to imply anything about the reputation of the subject in any way. Those accusations also do not make this article a Criminal Biography, otherwise a different banner would be used. The WikiProject banners form part of the overall quality assessment of this article and any unjustified changes or removals affect the integrity of the assessment process. Also, I would note that Wikipedia is not censored and the accusations made against Shami are a matter of public record. Because this is a biography of a living person of a public figure you can complain about the article. If you feel strongly enough to be offended by these facts or wish to suppress drawing attention to them, thus wanting to remove the crime banner, please explain yourself here, first, before attempting to remove the crime banner, again. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 02:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
My dear
Cameron Dewe (
talk), you are forgetting that this is the article of CRICKETER Mohammed Shami. If the other users (especially my fellow INDIANS) agree to my point of view, then please support me in this context. Thank you.
Supporting 202.142.81.12 ( talk) 08:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't think so, Blue Square Thing ( talk) 202.142.67.206 ( talk) 08:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The banner should be removed. I am supporting the two unregistered users who commented here before.09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)09:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.81.30 ( talk)
I'm trying to make sense of this - but it's complex and I need some time to look into the details of the whole thing and find a tonne of reliable sources. I think there are two allegations - firstly one of match fixing and then one of domestic abuse and so on. They seem to have occurred at a similar time. Can anyone shed any light on these - and if there is anything else we need to include in this section? Thanks. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 09:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The following sources state that Shami is a fast bowler:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/mohammed-shami-481896
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/profile/mohammed-shami/28994.html
These sources are unquestionably and unarguably reliable. They also state that Shami was born in UP, whereas, two of the sources cited for fast-medium in the main page of the article show the birth place to be Jonagar. Is this the demo of reliability of the sources arguing Shami to be a fast-medium bowler?
Also, if the speed of 145-150 kmph is considered to be fast-medium, then what is the speed range of fast bowling? Soutut ( talk) 09:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
I am citing another source in your favour, Soutut ( talk),
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=Mohammed%20Shami&role=bowler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
How can a bowler who bowls persistently at a speed of 145-150 kmph be called fast-medium? Isn't it hilarious and ridiculous? Also, we (I and Soutut) have put forward our references to show that Shami is unarguably a fast bowler. You too have done it. We have proved your links to be non-reliable, as they contain flaws, like the birthplace of Shami. If they are reliable, then we should consider the birth place of Shami to be Jonagar, Bengal and add the fact to the template. Then, the whole early life career in this article should be changed. Now, just as you have proved the flaws of your references, you should do the same. Note that, all the cricket scorecard in wikipedia contain ESPN's reference and not Cricbuzz's or such ones'. 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 16:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
An editor removed this section, calling it irrelevant. I don't agree with him, as it was the first pink ball match in the Indian soil. So, it has a huge significance. Shami was a part of the playing XI. I think this section should be restored. The other editors should comment here and convey their opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
Also, I want the experienced users and editors to create the 'Bowling Style' section. (It was Blue Square Thing's plan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 12:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
{{ping|Blue Square Thing}}, I think the only solution is to describe the fact in a single sentence in a nutshell. Also, the anonymous user, you should wait, because BST always keeps his word of honour. He will surely add the section soon. --
Soutut (
talk) 09:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I'll add this now. It's a list of jobs that I think need to be worked on, with some suggestions and requests. Some are major, others are minor:
Those are the main areas to consider I think - and then the lead will, of course, need reworking a bit to reflect the article as a whole. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 20:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
I think the following link is more convenient to verify the tabular data of Shami's IPL performance- https://www.iplt20.com/teams/punjab-kings/squad/94/mohammad-shami#:~:text=Mohammed%20Shami%20has%20revived%20his,tag%20of%20INR%204.8%20crore.&text=He%20had%20a%20fine%20run,19%20wickets%20from%2014%20games.
This link can be used to create the Bowling Style section- https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/aakash-chopra-how-mohammed-shami-flipped-the-switch-on-his-bowling-1172530
Also, the discussion of ESPN in the T20I section can be utilised in this context. Soutut ( talk) 08:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Blue Square Thing, your idea of the International section is superb, but will it not mess up with the three formats? Anyway I think it can be divided into the following sections:
1. Initial Years- This may include Shami's debut in international cricket and his performances before the 2015 World Cup. Albeit, very less amount of information is currently present inside the article regarding this.
2. 2015 World Cup- A section with this name is already created in the article.
3. Return from Injury / Rejuvenation of Cricket Career- This may include Shami's return in international cricket after his injury, his omission from the playing XI of Champions Trophy and T20 World Cup, his performances in the 2018 England tour and the most significant moment of his career- The Newzeland series.
4. 2019 World Cup and onwards- This may include Shami's performance in 2019 Cricket World Cup and the international matches he has played since then.
Along with these, Shami's performances in the World Test Championship matches- like the Australia tour, where Shami suffered an injury while batting should be included in the respective places.-- Soutut ( talk) 10:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
An unregistered user asked me to intervene on his behalf about the persistent removal of the injury sections and others. After grasping the matter, I have made an edit to this page. I think the removal of the injury section is justifiable, albeit portions of it can be restored later in other sections. However, I have restored the removal of the parts belonging to the Outside Cricket section. I think as the name of the section suggests, a little information outside cricket can be included. I shall later look out for a more reliable link. For the record section, I have restored one record and cited a different source which accurately verifies the matter. The best will be if Blue Square Thing, you interfere the matter and solve it. Gracias. Soutut ( talk) 17:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the fact is true. In reality, Shami is third fastest Indian pacer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 11:39, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Celebrity gossip and diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary. Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goal scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.Spike 'em ( talk) 17:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
'An editor has been continuously reverting my edit to this article. As I have found you to be one of the active editors of the article, I want you to intervene on my behalf. You can grasp the matter by going through the page history. Thank you in advance for helping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 (talk) 14:11, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok, let me look into the matter.Soutut (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)'- this is our conversation in my talk page. All right? Soutut ( talk) 17:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I am the unregistered user. Soutut and Spike em, please pardon me for carrying on the conversation in Soutut's talk page rather than here. I thought that some information outside cricket career of a cricketer could be included in an article. That's why, I added the stuff. Anyway, sorry again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 04:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I see, I will not make such edits further. I promise. Anyway, I have found Shami's performance in the Bangladesh tour to be missing in this article. It was unarguably one of the rejuvenating moments of his career. I think it should be added. Perhaps Soutut can add the stuff better. Anyway, I other editors' opinions in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 07:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the tour of Bangladesh is missing in this article. I will add it soon. Soutut ( talk) 10:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Spike 'em ([[User talk:Spike 'em|talk], actually I am a novice to Wikipedia. So, I think the experienced ones like you can decide the matter. I just thought that a little bit information outside cricket could have been included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.248 ( talk) 10:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Spike 'em, I don't know whether you know the fact that India is traditionally a land of spinners. So, it's normal and natural that most of the Indian bowlers to fastest 100 test wickets are spinners. In that sense, it's not an insignificant record to be the 4th fastest Indian bowler to 100 test wickets. Also, when Shami achieved the feat, he was the 3rd fastest and that is suggested by the source. We may write that currently he is the 4th quickest fast bowler to...
While watching yesterday's World Cup match between India and Afghanistan, I noticed that the TV Channels describe Shami as right-arm fast bowler in the TV Screen. Btw, while searching Shami's education in the Google, it showed 'Mahatma Jyotiba Phule Rohilkhand University'. I don't think this fact to be trivial and I want it to be added to the article. Btw, Shami claimed his career-best T20 figures yesterday against Afghanistan, but as the tournament is currently ongoing, I think the fact should be added in the prose section of the article only after the event ends. Blue Square Thing and Spike 'em, I want your comments and opinions regarding this three matters. Also, I'd like to request BST to view the two videos, whose titles are provided in the 'Can this project be promoted to B Class?' section.
I have studied some sources about Shami's performance in the Bangladesh tour. I have found that Shami reached his career best ratings and rankings after that series. India's first pink ball test match also took place during the second match of the series and Shami was included in that match. This facts are worth-mentioning. To be honest, I am quite busy this week, but I will add the facts soon.
Thank you. -- Soutut ( talk) 08:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, please convey your opinion regarding the other matters. Soutut ( talk) 13:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
The stuff recently added goes against all of WP:NOTDIARY (overly-detailed/match-by-match coverage of his career), WP:NOTSTATS (many lists of unexplained statistics) and WP:NOTMIRROR (all of the stats are lifted straight from cricinfo). Also you should not put references in the section header, there is probably an MOS restriction against that too. Please edit this down, as I feel if I do it it will be rather swingeing. Spike 'em ( talk) 18:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Not contain citations or footnotes, which some of the stats sections added yesterday did have. Spike 'em ( talk) 13:33, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
My dear Spike 'em and Blue Square Thing, the problem of references at the header would have been fixed without removing the stats section. Blue Square Thing, could you please explain me why have you removed the whole section just remarking it to be out of context? A lots of articles of cricketers have a seperate section for stats only. If asked, I'm ready to cite their names here. Anyway, for now, I shall add only a single stats table at the end of each formats. Please response. Michri michri ( talk) 09:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
The discussion clearly states that "There's no consensus here that they should universally be included. Nor is there a clear consensus that such sections should be removed from all cricketer articles. There does, however, seem to be a pretty clear agreement from most participants that swathes of numbers or lists of awards, empty of content or context, are not appropriate for Wikipedia". By the way, I have a query to you, which I am posting in your talk page as it is not related to this article. Please don't ignore. Thanks, Blue Square Thing. -- Michri michri ( talk) 09:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Now I can understand what was going wrong with the stats table. Btw, then why some articles like Virat Kohli, Adam Gilchrist etc have a separate section for stats itself?
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP. Here is my reply. And talk in proper language. Michri michri ( talk) 09:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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@ Michri michri: Please figure out what is going wrong before you save any more edits. You have added 13 extra infoboxes today (as well as plenty of other random stuff) and I will just keep reverting your edits each time you add the faulty html. This is in the realms of WP:DE. Spike 'em ( talk) 16:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)