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This article claims Mohammed Alim Khan was a descendent of Genghis Khan. However, on the Emirate of Bukhara page it says:
It was created after the Khanate of Bukhara was conquered by Nadir Shah and was ruled by emirs of Manghit dynasty. As they were not descended from Genghis Khan, they took the lesser title of "emir."
Since Mohammed Alim Khan was a member of the Manghit dynasty, this seems to be a contradiction! Who's right? -- Jfruh ( talk) 01:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
He wasn't descended from Genghis Khan. What another poster said about the female line is true, but "descent from Genghis" was a very specific thing in Mongol society, requiring the male line and meaning a ruler was in the "Golden Lineage" and called themselves Khan. Emir Mohd Alimkhan didn't ("khan" was a name here, not a title), and this rule was important enough not to be violated. There is a tendency, though, to attribute Genghissid descent to figures like Tamerlane and the amirs of Bukhara, mostly based on unclear information. I am removing the references to Genghissid descent; the citations given are either misinterpreted or mistaken. Aglesaquila ( talk) 13:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Found a source that mentions that Alim Khan was a descendant of Genghis Khan. Book: Historical Dictionary of the Russian Civil Wars, 1916-1926 By Jonathan D. Smele. On page 974, SAID-MIR MOHAMMED ALIM-KHAN (3 January 1880–28 April 1944). Major general (1911). A direct descendant of Genghis Khan, SaidAlim-khan. [1] Rezanaul ( talk) 17:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
So this is how Alim Khan is considered descendant. Rezanaul ( talk) 23:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Edigu came from the Manghit tribes of the ulus of Shiban and would later be regarded as the founder of the Nogai (or “Manghit”) Horde.[2] and more by Peter Golden:
In fact, the horde went back to the non-Genghis Khanid Amir Edigü...Beshogur ( talk) 14:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I spent several hours researching, not a single local historian even mentions that he is a descendant of Chengiz Khan not once in his works, which I read in the original language of writing. Frankly, I see blatant falsification in English-language works. Noobcrafting ( talk) 20:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
>>> The photo does not seem to be so old. May be it is of somebody dressed up as the Khan. >>>
EmperorBonaparte ( talk) 05:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Definitely doesn't look like an image from early 20th century, this should be made clear!
The Library of Congress page for this picture, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?prok:1:./temp/~pp_VyrM::, identifies the subject as "Sait Abdul Akhad, Emir of Bukhara (died 1911), seated holding sword." The image itself was produced by a process of taking three b&w negatives, one each with a red, green, and blue filter--thus, a color separation. The full color version on the LOC page is a modern digital color image produced from the original separation. Notdillharris ( talk) 04:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking about the same thing. It's strange that a photo from 1911 can be this good and colorful. But then again I think probably this is an re-imagining from the original photo. I guess I'm right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.254.83.90 ( talk) 06:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
The article gives both 1945 and 1945 as the year in which this last monarch of Bukhara died. Yes, we may joke that both could be accurate. But, seriously, when did the subject of this article die? Firstorm 23:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
In 1913 Emir of Buhara, Mohammed Alim Khan, ordered four four small 600 mm gauge steam locomotives from Berlin based German locomotive builder Orenstein & Koppel for his private railway which was built to connect his capital Buhara with Kagan station on the Central Asian Railway, 13 km away. Orenstein & Koppel delivered their oil fired products with factory numbers 7042-7045 in February 1914 to Buchara Bahn. However, Emir did not like the smoke and he prefered to have his personal salon wagon hauled by his camels when he travelled to Kagan. This small railway existed to 1922. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.81.159 ( talk) 17:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 07:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be realy nice if someone could get some information on other Khans of Bukhara,because Mohammed Alim seems to be the only one curently. -- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 11:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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This article claims Mohammed Alim Khan was a descendent of Genghis Khan. However, on the Emirate of Bukhara page it says:
It was created after the Khanate of Bukhara was conquered by Nadir Shah and was ruled by emirs of Manghit dynasty. As they were not descended from Genghis Khan, they took the lesser title of "emir."
Since Mohammed Alim Khan was a member of the Manghit dynasty, this seems to be a contradiction! Who's right? -- Jfruh ( talk) 01:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
He wasn't descended from Genghis Khan. What another poster said about the female line is true, but "descent from Genghis" was a very specific thing in Mongol society, requiring the male line and meaning a ruler was in the "Golden Lineage" and called themselves Khan. Emir Mohd Alimkhan didn't ("khan" was a name here, not a title), and this rule was important enough not to be violated. There is a tendency, though, to attribute Genghissid descent to figures like Tamerlane and the amirs of Bukhara, mostly based on unclear information. I am removing the references to Genghissid descent; the citations given are either misinterpreted or mistaken. Aglesaquila ( talk) 13:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Found a source that mentions that Alim Khan was a descendant of Genghis Khan. Book: Historical Dictionary of the Russian Civil Wars, 1916-1926 By Jonathan D. Smele. On page 974, SAID-MIR MOHAMMED ALIM-KHAN (3 January 1880–28 April 1944). Major general (1911). A direct descendant of Genghis Khan, SaidAlim-khan. [1] Rezanaul ( talk) 17:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
So this is how Alim Khan is considered descendant. Rezanaul ( talk) 23:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Edigu came from the Manghit tribes of the ulus of Shiban and would later be regarded as the founder of the Nogai (or “Manghit”) Horde.[2] and more by Peter Golden:
In fact, the horde went back to the non-Genghis Khanid Amir Edigü...Beshogur ( talk) 14:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I spent several hours researching, not a single local historian even mentions that he is a descendant of Chengiz Khan not once in his works, which I read in the original language of writing. Frankly, I see blatant falsification in English-language works. Noobcrafting ( talk) 20:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
>>> The photo does not seem to be so old. May be it is of somebody dressed up as the Khan. >>>
EmperorBonaparte ( talk) 05:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Definitely doesn't look like an image from early 20th century, this should be made clear!
The Library of Congress page for this picture, http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?prok:1:./temp/~pp_VyrM::, identifies the subject as "Sait Abdul Akhad, Emir of Bukhara (died 1911), seated holding sword." The image itself was produced by a process of taking three b&w negatives, one each with a red, green, and blue filter--thus, a color separation. The full color version on the LOC page is a modern digital color image produced from the original separation. Notdillharris ( talk) 04:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm thinking about the same thing. It's strange that a photo from 1911 can be this good and colorful. But then again I think probably this is an re-imagining from the original photo. I guess I'm right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.254.83.90 ( talk) 06:59, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
The article gives both 1945 and 1945 as the year in which this last monarch of Bukhara died. Yes, we may joke that both could be accurate. But, seriously, when did the subject of this article die? Firstorm 23:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
In 1913 Emir of Buhara, Mohammed Alim Khan, ordered four four small 600 mm gauge steam locomotives from Berlin based German locomotive builder Orenstein & Koppel for his private railway which was built to connect his capital Buhara with Kagan station on the Central Asian Railway, 13 km away. Orenstein & Koppel delivered their oil fired products with factory numbers 7042-7045 in February 1914 to Buchara Bahn. However, Emir did not like the smoke and he prefered to have his personal salon wagon hauled by his camels when he travelled to Kagan. This small railway existed to 1922. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.81.159 ( talk) 17:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 07:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be realy nice if someone could get some information on other Khans of Bukhara,because Mohammed Alim seems to be the only one curently. -- New Babylon 2 ( talk) 11:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)