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Who removed the text about the Helmand Valley project disaster, and total lack of economic development under the King? When he was deposed, there were only 50 miles of paved roads and 500 cars in the country, owned by his family and friends.
I found some of the weasel words in this article kind of questionable ('twisted his arm'?) so I put up an NPOV tag. - George
when did Mohammed Zahiar Shah die?
I made some POV edits, but clearly more are needed. LeoO3 15:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
hi there this man had a son called jaffa he attened the blue coat school in harbourne birmingham great britain later he returned to fight the russians the sunday times did a report of him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.41 ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC).
He has a son who lived in Rome with the shah. He is married and now lives in Africa on a hunting estate. The Shah's grandaughter Belquis would be about 35-40 and lives in Italy in seclusion. She has really not done much in her life, no real education or skills. At one point she was a trying to be a model but with no sucess.
This article has been classified as a start due to its level of detail and organisation. Capitalistroadster 05:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
this guy is dead, not bed-ridden.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=Zahir+shah&btnG=Search
His name is " Mohammed Zahir Shah" not " Mohammed Zahir Khan". Compare [1] and [2]. The page needs to be moved back 09:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC) He certainly seems to be "best known as" Mohammed Zahir Shah. Sadly, I just finished getting rid of the double-redirects, but they should be easy to undo. I will wait for the page move first. But an admin will have to the move because of the existing redirs are in the way...-- 76.220.203.140 10:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Cut from the page:
Ignoring that the source is foreign language (and thus difficult for English-speaking people to find and/or read), it seems unlikely that Faizani, someone who the Communist authorities "disappeared" in 1979, was either killed by the then-in-exile former king or that this accusation was even made by someone (Ghobar) who died in 1978! Even someone who knows little about Afghan history can see the inaccuracy of this. It would be interesting to know what Afghanistan dar maseer Tarikh really says regarding this. In the meantime, this accusation seems directed at those reading his obits, not at being part of a long-standing encyclopedia entry. Calbaer 16:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
References
Someone wrote: "Following this coup, Zahir Shah abdicated rather than fight in August, ending the Barakzai Dynasty.[2]"
I found this questionable, because first of all the coup was by his cousin who was also of the same family vis-a-vi the same Barakzai Dynasty. So I looked into the article that was supposidly cited and it had nothing on the Barakzai Dynasty, so I removed that part. If anyone disagrees thats fine but find a ligit source.
Per all other monarchs, shouldn't this be at Mohammed Zahir of Afghanistan (<given name> of <country>), like Beatrix of the Netherlands or Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom? – Chacor 06:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
By BARRY BEARAK Published: July 24, 2007 Mohammad Zahir Shah, Last Afghan King, Dies at 92 NY TIMES Bnguyen 05:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a lot of unverifiable claims in this article. Lots of bias and POV. If anyone can actually manage to correct anything in this article without having it reverted, please do so. I have tried, but certain individuals would prefer to keep the article in this state.
-- Khampalak 02:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a long-winded paragraph about his father here? First of all, that paragraph is in serious need of verification. Secondly, such details probably belong in an article about Nadir Shah. -- Khampalak 02:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I will be revising the Origin section later tonight, hopefully. There seems to be quite a bit of redundant information about his father and obscure references to events that may or may not have occurred many generations earlier. The section should be about his upbringing, education, linguistic and culture heritage, as well as his ascent to power.-- Khampalak 19:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I have serious questions about these claims. I do not think an opinion piece from a Canadian newspaper is sufficient for making this statement here. The piece from The Ottawa citizen was not written by an expert on Zahir Shah, nor did he provide any sources for his claims of ethnocentrism and persecution of Persian speakers. Further, the claims make absolutely no sense given that Zahir Shah and much of his family speak Persian as their first language. I think these claims constitute POV, as does the source material. My opinion is that this information should be edited out. -- Khampalak 19:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
We have provided books on his ethnocentrism. His family persecuated Hazaras and Tajiks. People like Abdul Hai Habibi and Gul Muhamad Khan Momand had Great Influence on him.(ref: Afghanistan dar Maseer Tarikh vol.2),(Khaterat Sayed Qasem Rishtia).) -- Anoshirawan 21:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Haha sure. Whatever you say. Either way, that doesn't support your claim that HE was ethnocentric. I'm convinced that when you come up with these claims, you are merely looking in the mirror. My facts are based on first hand accounts from people who lived during his reign, people of ALL backgrounds. I'm sorry to inform you, but you don't know what you are talking about. -- Khampalak 21:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Mir Ghulam Muhammad Ghobar, Sayed Qasem Rishtia, Fayz Muhamad Kateb, Mir Seddiq Farhang,Asef Ahang were all Historians which served in Zahir's court. Muhamad Zahir's closest companion was Sayed Qasem Rishtia. I advice you to go and learn some Farsi first then come and argue with us. -- Anoshirawan 22:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
So I don't speak Farsi? Besides, I am familiar with Ghobar and Reshtia. They are known enemies of Zahir Shah and his family. I have read what they've said and it's BS. Besides, speaking Farsi is not a prerequisite for knowing one's history. The most pathetic thing about the two of you is this... you accuse Pashtuns of everything imaginable. You accuse them of trying to impose their culture on you. But in reality it is you, Beh-nam, and other's like you who are pushing your anti-Pashtun agenda here, on youtube, on Myspace, and on just about every Afghan forum. If I'm not mistaken, Pashtuns are not doing this sort of thing to anyone let alone in such an organized and pre-meditated way. So keep playing the victim, while on the other hand being the anti-Pashtun and anti-Afghan propagandist that you are. I really don't care. At the end of the day, history will not have changed. Your bitterness will still be eating you up inside. We Pashtuns will still have every bit of history, culture, and pride...completely unaffected by your campaign against us. Again, no matter what you say or what you do, you cannot achieve whatever goal it is you are working towards. Why? Because nobody in Afghanistan buys into this shit. I have seen people like you try to convince Afghan Tajiks that they aren't Afghan. I have yet to see a single person turn. So keep it up. -- Khampalak 23:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Sayed Qasem Rishtia was Muhamad Zahir's close friend and his brothers(farhang...ect) were also court historians. Mir Ghulam Muhamad Ghobar was alos close to Zahir. Please stop these personal attacks, this wont take you anywhere but will get you blocked again. -- Anoshirawan 23:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Awwwww...cry me a river. Still playing victim I see. Every article you edit becomes a personal attack on it's subject(s). Request a block on me. It's not like any of my edits will ever stick. You and I both know that. I have a life and a job actually. I don't have time to play these games. That's exactly what this is for you. A game. So do whatever you want. As I said before, you can't change history by corrupting online articles and citing sources from the endless collection of distorted literature that you idiots have been sharing. -- Khampalak 00:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I advice anyone to examine the edits on this article. It should be clear to see what is going on here. -- Khampalak 04:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Beh-nam, this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Gossip and unverifiable claims and accusations do not belong. I am warning you. If you continue to remove sourced biographical information and replace it with unverifiable, slanderous claims I will be forced to report you for repeated vandalism. The key word here is verifiability. Until you bring forward specific, documented examples of persecution against individuals and groups, your claims should stay out. -- Khampalak 04:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention, you should keep your language "encyclopedic" in tone in accordance with Wikipidia policies. This means maintaining neutrality and objectiveness and avoiding accusative language. The article will be purged of such language. If you continue to revert legitimate edits, you will be in violation. -- Khampalak 04:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Anushirvan, Khampalak is just hurted that he is persinized. Don´t take him serious. These Pashtuns never can see the truth instead they are calling thieves, murders Heros and heros thives...typical for kuchis.. —Preceding
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial
Thank you
-- Khampalak 05:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Concerning the execution of Habibullah Ghazi, I removed "after taking an oath on the Quran not to" as unsubstantiated, and definitely libelious (if alive). -- Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
With regard to the activities of Mohammed Zahir Shah's half-uncle, I deleted "who sold Peshawar for gold and sided with Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Sarkar Khalsa against his half brother Dost Muhamad", on the basis that the first part is not from a NPOV, and the whole is rather irrelevant to the article, which is about Mohammed Zahir Shah. If it were relevant,it should be brought up in the relevant context and not in back ground. -- Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I moved this paragraph here from the article because it needs discussion. The three cited references do not support all of the claims as stated. -- Bejnar 17:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
07/24/2007 available [4]
www.e-ariana.com is Nabil Ghamin Miskinyaar's website. he is a Pro zahir Shahi. Rishtia was a close friend of Zahir. Ghobar simply wrote the truth and has referenced everything he wrotein his book. -- Anoshirawan 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
References
The article quoted says nothing about Zahir Shah persecuting or oppressing non-Pashtun speakers. Azalea pomp 02:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I provided a source already for this claim. --Anoshirawan 04:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to start an edit war, so to reply to your last comment... the title wasn't given by a government since the government wasn't even formed yet. It was given by his fellow Mohammedzai loyalists who had influence over Karzai. There was no vote on this, it was just proceeded by his loyalists and family and everyone sort of went on with it. This title didn't have a function for him, other than providing him with a luxurious life in Kabul with $30,000 a month and a free expensive funeral from the money provided by Western countries to the people of Afghanistan. But main point, is that it was not given to him by a republican government, a real government was at that time. -- Behnam 03:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Likewise, any supposition like, "Had he not been deposed ..." doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Perhaps there is a wiki somewhere for "What Might Have Been". There is a special place in hell for propagandists. 173.57.29.9 ( talk) 16:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
How does this apply here? At first I wasn't sure if I read it correctly, but sure enough it's there. Are people vandalizing discussion pages now because this stuff isn't surviving on the article itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamsudin ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Anoshirawan why are you continually reverting to an old version of this article? - dwc lr ( talk) 00:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The articles introduction says ".. in 2002 which he held until his death". The person summary says he died in 2007 and there is a picture of him from 2004 (where he is obviously alive). What is the correct time of death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.105.206.127 ( talk) 08:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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There are no documents and voice recordings that can prove that Zahir Khan ever spoke in to Pashto language , just like Amanullah Khan. His speeches on independence days and celebrations as well as his various interviews e.g. with BBC are in Persian. Persian language was the language of the royal court. Amanullah Khan also gave an abdication speech in Persian in Kanadahar before flying to Iran in 1929 after his fall. He apologized because his "Afghan language" (Pashto language ) is not good. The royal families could not do Pashto. Shahdocht (kingsdaughter = Princess) "Hindya Afghanistan ("India Afghanistan") , the daughter of King Amanullah Khan, Jawaharlal Nehru gave her this name, asked the TV host Sultanzoi in a TV interview, what is her "Dari" language? She answer didn't Dari, I spoke Persian in my time. I want to learn Dari now. And everyone understood this Persian, even though he spoke Persian. Dari in [7] Ahmad Khan Abdali ("the History of Ahmad Shahi" is in Persian, he knew Persian and understandable Pashto), born in Herat in 1722, and his son Timur Shah Durrani, born in Mashhad, could not speak a word Pashtu. Tabnak ( talk) 15:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 01:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Mohammed Zahir Shah → Mohammad Zahir Shah – As per native Pashto and Dari languages, his name is accurately romanized as Mohammad with an 'a'. In the Afghan languages this common name is never pronounced as 'Mohammed'. WR 15:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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Who removed the text about the Helmand Valley project disaster, and total lack of economic development under the King? When he was deposed, there were only 50 miles of paved roads and 500 cars in the country, owned by his family and friends.
I found some of the weasel words in this article kind of questionable ('twisted his arm'?) so I put up an NPOV tag. - George
when did Mohammed Zahiar Shah die?
I made some POV edits, but clearly more are needed. LeoO3 15:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
hi there this man had a son called jaffa he attened the blue coat school in harbourne birmingham great britain later he returned to fight the russians the sunday times did a report of him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.41 ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC).
He has a son who lived in Rome with the shah. He is married and now lives in Africa on a hunting estate. The Shah's grandaughter Belquis would be about 35-40 and lives in Italy in seclusion. She has really not done much in her life, no real education or skills. At one point she was a trying to be a model but with no sucess.
This article has been classified as a start due to its level of detail and organisation. Capitalistroadster 05:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
this guy is dead, not bed-ridden.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=Zahir+shah&btnG=Search
His name is " Mohammed Zahir Shah" not " Mohammed Zahir Khan". Compare [1] and [2]. The page needs to be moved back 09:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC) He certainly seems to be "best known as" Mohammed Zahir Shah. Sadly, I just finished getting rid of the double-redirects, but they should be easy to undo. I will wait for the page move first. But an admin will have to the move because of the existing redirs are in the way...-- 76.220.203.140 10:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Cut from the page:
Ignoring that the source is foreign language (and thus difficult for English-speaking people to find and/or read), it seems unlikely that Faizani, someone who the Communist authorities "disappeared" in 1979, was either killed by the then-in-exile former king or that this accusation was even made by someone (Ghobar) who died in 1978! Even someone who knows little about Afghan history can see the inaccuracy of this. It would be interesting to know what Afghanistan dar maseer Tarikh really says regarding this. In the meantime, this accusation seems directed at those reading his obits, not at being part of a long-standing encyclopedia entry. Calbaer 16:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
References
Someone wrote: "Following this coup, Zahir Shah abdicated rather than fight in August, ending the Barakzai Dynasty.[2]"
I found this questionable, because first of all the coup was by his cousin who was also of the same family vis-a-vi the same Barakzai Dynasty. So I looked into the article that was supposidly cited and it had nothing on the Barakzai Dynasty, so I removed that part. If anyone disagrees thats fine but find a ligit source.
Per all other monarchs, shouldn't this be at Mohammed Zahir of Afghanistan (<given name> of <country>), like Beatrix of the Netherlands or Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom? – Chacor 06:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
By BARRY BEARAK Published: July 24, 2007 Mohammad Zahir Shah, Last Afghan King, Dies at 92 NY TIMES Bnguyen 05:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a lot of unverifiable claims in this article. Lots of bias and POV. If anyone can actually manage to correct anything in this article without having it reverted, please do so. I have tried, but certain individuals would prefer to keep the article in this state.
-- Khampalak 02:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a long-winded paragraph about his father here? First of all, that paragraph is in serious need of verification. Secondly, such details probably belong in an article about Nadir Shah. -- Khampalak 02:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I will be revising the Origin section later tonight, hopefully. There seems to be quite a bit of redundant information about his father and obscure references to events that may or may not have occurred many generations earlier. The section should be about his upbringing, education, linguistic and culture heritage, as well as his ascent to power.-- Khampalak 19:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I have serious questions about these claims. I do not think an opinion piece from a Canadian newspaper is sufficient for making this statement here. The piece from The Ottawa citizen was not written by an expert on Zahir Shah, nor did he provide any sources for his claims of ethnocentrism and persecution of Persian speakers. Further, the claims make absolutely no sense given that Zahir Shah and much of his family speak Persian as their first language. I think these claims constitute POV, as does the source material. My opinion is that this information should be edited out. -- Khampalak 19:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
We have provided books on his ethnocentrism. His family persecuated Hazaras and Tajiks. People like Abdul Hai Habibi and Gul Muhamad Khan Momand had Great Influence on him.(ref: Afghanistan dar Maseer Tarikh vol.2),(Khaterat Sayed Qasem Rishtia).) -- Anoshirawan 21:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Haha sure. Whatever you say. Either way, that doesn't support your claim that HE was ethnocentric. I'm convinced that when you come up with these claims, you are merely looking in the mirror. My facts are based on first hand accounts from people who lived during his reign, people of ALL backgrounds. I'm sorry to inform you, but you don't know what you are talking about. -- Khampalak 21:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Mir Ghulam Muhammad Ghobar, Sayed Qasem Rishtia, Fayz Muhamad Kateb, Mir Seddiq Farhang,Asef Ahang were all Historians which served in Zahir's court. Muhamad Zahir's closest companion was Sayed Qasem Rishtia. I advice you to go and learn some Farsi first then come and argue with us. -- Anoshirawan 22:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
So I don't speak Farsi? Besides, I am familiar with Ghobar and Reshtia. They are known enemies of Zahir Shah and his family. I have read what they've said and it's BS. Besides, speaking Farsi is not a prerequisite for knowing one's history. The most pathetic thing about the two of you is this... you accuse Pashtuns of everything imaginable. You accuse them of trying to impose their culture on you. But in reality it is you, Beh-nam, and other's like you who are pushing your anti-Pashtun agenda here, on youtube, on Myspace, and on just about every Afghan forum. If I'm not mistaken, Pashtuns are not doing this sort of thing to anyone let alone in such an organized and pre-meditated way. So keep playing the victim, while on the other hand being the anti-Pashtun and anti-Afghan propagandist that you are. I really don't care. At the end of the day, history will not have changed. Your bitterness will still be eating you up inside. We Pashtuns will still have every bit of history, culture, and pride...completely unaffected by your campaign against us. Again, no matter what you say or what you do, you cannot achieve whatever goal it is you are working towards. Why? Because nobody in Afghanistan buys into this shit. I have seen people like you try to convince Afghan Tajiks that they aren't Afghan. I have yet to see a single person turn. So keep it up. -- Khampalak 23:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Sayed Qasem Rishtia was Muhamad Zahir's close friend and his brothers(farhang...ect) were also court historians. Mir Ghulam Muhamad Ghobar was alos close to Zahir. Please stop these personal attacks, this wont take you anywhere but will get you blocked again. -- Anoshirawan 23:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Awwwww...cry me a river. Still playing victim I see. Every article you edit becomes a personal attack on it's subject(s). Request a block on me. It's not like any of my edits will ever stick. You and I both know that. I have a life and a job actually. I don't have time to play these games. That's exactly what this is for you. A game. So do whatever you want. As I said before, you can't change history by corrupting online articles and citing sources from the endless collection of distorted literature that you idiots have been sharing. -- Khampalak 00:01, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I advice anyone to examine the edits on this article. It should be clear to see what is going on here. -- Khampalak 04:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Beh-nam, this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Gossip and unverifiable claims and accusations do not belong. I am warning you. If you continue to remove sourced biographical information and replace it with unverifiable, slanderous claims I will be forced to report you for repeated vandalism. The key word here is verifiability. Until you bring forward specific, documented examples of persecution against individuals and groups, your claims should stay out. -- Khampalak 04:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention, you should keep your language "encyclopedic" in tone in accordance with Wikipidia policies. This means maintaining neutrality and objectiveness and avoiding accusative language. The article will be purged of such language. If you continue to revert legitimate edits, you will be in violation. -- Khampalak 04:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Anushirvan, Khampalak is just hurted that he is persinized. Don´t take him serious. These Pashtuns never can see the truth instead they are calling thieves, murders Heros and heros thives...typical for kuchis.. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Aspandyar Agha (
talk •
contribs) 17:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial
Thank you
-- Khampalak 05:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Concerning the execution of Habibullah Ghazi, I removed "after taking an oath on the Quran not to" as unsubstantiated, and definitely libelious (if alive). -- Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
With regard to the activities of Mohammed Zahir Shah's half-uncle, I deleted "who sold Peshawar for gold and sided with Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Sarkar Khalsa against his half brother Dost Muhamad", on the basis that the first part is not from a NPOV, and the whole is rather irrelevant to the article, which is about Mohammed Zahir Shah. If it were relevant,it should be brought up in the relevant context and not in back ground. -- Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I moved this paragraph here from the article because it needs discussion. The three cited references do not support all of the claims as stated. -- Bejnar 17:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
07/24/2007 available [4]
www.e-ariana.com is Nabil Ghamin Miskinyaar's website. he is a Pro zahir Shahi. Rishtia was a close friend of Zahir. Ghobar simply wrote the truth and has referenced everything he wrotein his book. -- Anoshirawan 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
References
The article quoted says nothing about Zahir Shah persecuting or oppressing non-Pashtun speakers. Azalea pomp 02:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I provided a source already for this claim. --Anoshirawan 04:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to start an edit war, so to reply to your last comment... the title wasn't given by a government since the government wasn't even formed yet. It was given by his fellow Mohammedzai loyalists who had influence over Karzai. There was no vote on this, it was just proceeded by his loyalists and family and everyone sort of went on with it. This title didn't have a function for him, other than providing him with a luxurious life in Kabul with $30,000 a month and a free expensive funeral from the money provided by Western countries to the people of Afghanistan. But main point, is that it was not given to him by a republican government, a real government was at that time. -- Behnam 03:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Likewise, any supposition like, "Had he not been deposed ..." doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Perhaps there is a wiki somewhere for "What Might Have Been". There is a special place in hell for propagandists. 173.57.29.9 ( talk) 16:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
How does this apply here? At first I wasn't sure if I read it correctly, but sure enough it's there. Are people vandalizing discussion pages now because this stuff isn't surviving on the article itself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamsudin ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Anoshirawan why are you continually reverting to an old version of this article? - dwc lr ( talk) 00:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The articles introduction says ".. in 2002 which he held until his death". The person summary says he died in 2007 and there is a picture of him from 2004 (where he is obviously alive). What is the correct time of death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.105.206.127 ( talk) 08:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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There are no documents and voice recordings that can prove that Zahir Khan ever spoke in to Pashto language , just like Amanullah Khan. His speeches on independence days and celebrations as well as his various interviews e.g. with BBC are in Persian. Persian language was the language of the royal court. Amanullah Khan also gave an abdication speech in Persian in Kanadahar before flying to Iran in 1929 after his fall. He apologized because his "Afghan language" (Pashto language ) is not good. The royal families could not do Pashto. Shahdocht (kingsdaughter = Princess) "Hindya Afghanistan ("India Afghanistan") , the daughter of King Amanullah Khan, Jawaharlal Nehru gave her this name, asked the TV host Sultanzoi in a TV interview, what is her "Dari" language? She answer didn't Dari, I spoke Persian in my time. I want to learn Dari now. And everyone understood this Persian, even though he spoke Persian. Dari in [7] Ahmad Khan Abdali ("the History of Ahmad Shahi" is in Persian, he knew Persian and understandable Pashto), born in Herat in 1722, and his son Timur Shah Durrani, born in Mashhad, could not speak a word Pashtu. Tabnak ( talk) 15:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 01:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Mohammed Zahir Shah → Mohammad Zahir Shah – As per native Pashto and Dari languages, his name is accurately romanized as Mohammad with an 'a'. In the Afghan languages this common name is never pronounced as 'Mohammed'. WR 15:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)