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It is possible the scholar and diplomat are merely namesakes of the party secretary... 14:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Geo Swan ( talk)
I would like to point out that the claim that Faqiri "was appointed Secretary General of the organization by Burhanuddin Rabbani in October 2008" is cited to three sources, the latest of which was published in 2006! WP:Competence is required. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
[And I would point out that none of the sources at the time mentioned him in that role, and that the source added since makes no mention of Burhanuddin Rabbani or October 2008. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 07:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC) ]
I would also point out that this source makes no mention of him being a diplomat. The only source we have for this is this one which simply lists "Mr Mohammad Naseem Faqiri (Counsellor)" as accompanying the "Ambassador of The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" on a ceremonial visit to Australia's Governor General in November 2005. Whilst this is (barely) sufficient to state "He has also worked as a diplomat in Australia", it is really not sufficient to list "diplomat" in the opening sentence. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 07:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Another contributor keeps challenging who should be called a diplomat.
Anmbassador is (generally) the title used for the SENIOR diplomat of posted to represent the interests of one country, in another country. They have more junior diplomats who answer to them. In addition to the embassy, they may he Consulates in other regions where more local representation is useful. Depending on the size of the mission, they may have scientific attaches or military attaches working under them. Depending on the size of the mission the titles of their senior deputies vary.
These individuals are all diplomats.
Even junior staff, the people who do relatively less important tasks, like processing visa applications, are diplomats.
Wikipedia has a clause specifically for diplomats, just as it has a clause specifically for politicians -- WP:DIPLOMAT. I just checked that clause. My recollection is that it used to say all Ambassadors qualified for special notability consideration, implying more junior diplomats don`t. Currently it says “have participated in a significant way in events of particular diplomatic importance”.
However, the wording of WP:DIPLOMAT is irrelevant, as no one is claiming Faqiri is an ambassador or that he merits the special consideration of WP:DIPLOMAT. But he was, nevertheless, described as a diplomat in an WP:RS, so it is completely appropriate for him to be described as a diplomat in this article. Geo Swan ( talk) 14:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
We have almost nothing about Faqiri's purported diplomatic career -- only a single passing mention. This means that we have no indication whether it was lengthy and prominent, or short and obscure. This means we should not give it WP:UNDUE weight by mentioning it in the opening sentence. 'Politician' generally covers some degree of diplomatic activity -- such prominent and bald description as a "diplomat" would mislead many readers into believing that he was a career diplomat -- as opposed to a politician who apparently dabbled a little. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 16:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
This edit obfuscated important information -- that Faqiri held a national office, delegate to the 2010 Peace Loya Jirga, and that, while there, he was quoted as arguing for reconciliation with the Taliban. I am going to assume this was a good faith mistake. I reverted this edit. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The edit in question reduced the length of the article by one single character (a single carriage return removed) -- NO MATERIAL WAS REMOVED --all that happened was the a citation was moved to the end of the material cited to it. WP:Competence is required. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 15:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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It is possible the scholar and diplomat are merely namesakes of the party secretary... 14:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Geo Swan ( talk)
I would like to point out that the claim that Faqiri "was appointed Secretary General of the organization by Burhanuddin Rabbani in October 2008" is cited to three sources, the latest of which was published in 2006! WP:Competence is required. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 05:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
[And I would point out that none of the sources at the time mentioned him in that role, and that the source added since makes no mention of Burhanuddin Rabbani or October 2008. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 07:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC) ]
I would also point out that this source makes no mention of him being a diplomat. The only source we have for this is this one which simply lists "Mr Mohammad Naseem Faqiri (Counsellor)" as accompanying the "Ambassador of The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan" on a ceremonial visit to Australia's Governor General in November 2005. Whilst this is (barely) sufficient to state "He has also worked as a diplomat in Australia", it is really not sufficient to list "diplomat" in the opening sentence. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 07:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Another contributor keeps challenging who should be called a diplomat.
Anmbassador is (generally) the title used for the SENIOR diplomat of posted to represent the interests of one country, in another country. They have more junior diplomats who answer to them. In addition to the embassy, they may he Consulates in other regions where more local representation is useful. Depending on the size of the mission, they may have scientific attaches or military attaches working under them. Depending on the size of the mission the titles of their senior deputies vary.
These individuals are all diplomats.
Even junior staff, the people who do relatively less important tasks, like processing visa applications, are diplomats.
Wikipedia has a clause specifically for diplomats, just as it has a clause specifically for politicians -- WP:DIPLOMAT. I just checked that clause. My recollection is that it used to say all Ambassadors qualified for special notability consideration, implying more junior diplomats don`t. Currently it says “have participated in a significant way in events of particular diplomatic importance”.
However, the wording of WP:DIPLOMAT is irrelevant, as no one is claiming Faqiri is an ambassador or that he merits the special consideration of WP:DIPLOMAT. But he was, nevertheless, described as a diplomat in an WP:RS, so it is completely appropriate for him to be described as a diplomat in this article. Geo Swan ( talk) 14:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
We have almost nothing about Faqiri's purported diplomatic career -- only a single passing mention. This means that we have no indication whether it was lengthy and prominent, or short and obscure. This means we should not give it WP:UNDUE weight by mentioning it in the opening sentence. 'Politician' generally covers some degree of diplomatic activity -- such prominent and bald description as a "diplomat" would mislead many readers into believing that he was a career diplomat -- as opposed to a politician who apparently dabbled a little. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 16:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
This edit obfuscated important information -- that Faqiri held a national office, delegate to the 2010 Peace Loya Jirga, and that, while there, he was quoted as arguing for reconciliation with the Taliban. I am going to assume this was a good faith mistake. I reverted this edit. Geo Swan ( talk) 15:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
The edit in question reduced the length of the article by one single character (a single carriage return removed) -- NO MATERIAL WAS REMOVED --all that happened was the a citation was moved to the end of the material cited to it. WP:Competence is required. Hrafn Talk Stalk( P) 15:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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