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Deleting is not a game always to press , if you see a mistake just edit it . GhiathArodaki ( talk) 16:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I have corrected some books' titles in English as I found the original translation was wrong. Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.33.177 ( talk) 08:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Editor GhiathArodaki has reverted edits describing Al-Bouti as
known for his outspoken supporter of President
Bashar Assad
[1]
and
Islamic scholar of Syria (rather than a "Shaykh of scientist of Levant", which is what GhaithArodaki prefers)
here
and later
here with this edit summary:
(Hey, Listen Up , He is not known for suporting , he is the shaykh of scientis of levant , Talk good on him , because we don't let anyone say bad things on him , Get it ?)
I think virtually every non-Syrian regime news source has described al-Buti as a supporter of Assad. Examples:
-- BoogaLouie ( talk) 17:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
[the following is pasted from GhiathArodaki talk page as he is currently banned]
References
Should it be noted that Al-Buti was a supporter of the Al-Assad Syrian government against the insurgents in the lede and under notability in the Infobox?
Should Al-Buti's notability in the Infobox be "Great Islamic Scholar of Levant" or an "Islamic scholar, supporter of government" ? --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
23:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Here are some stories about his assassination. Note 5 out of 6 of them mention in the headline that al-Buti was pro-government or pro-Assad (Bashir al-Assad is the president of Syria).
*Support for reasons given above. --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
01:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
According to GhiathArodaki:
Yes he supported The regime , but he isn't known for supporting the regime , he is the shaikh of scientis of levant
We've established that western media journalists and scholars think his support for the regime is notable but what about the arab world? Arabic speakers undoubtedly having access to much more information on al-Buti. Do they blow off the trivial matter of this great scholar supporting the Assad regime?
GhiathArodaki started the article on al-Buti 22 March 2013 with this, which appears to be pasted from the Arabic wikipedia article on al-Buti. Nothing in the lede about support for the regime:
But was there something about regime support in the Arabic article lede now? Below is the third paragraph from the arabic language lede as copied today 1 April 2013, and below that a translation from google (it's a crude translation but you can certainly tell whether or not they deal with his support for the regime. Checking the history, it was not in the article 22 March )
في فترة أحداث سوريا 2011-2013 أصبحت مكانة البوطي في العالم الإسلامي مثاراً للجدل والخلاف بسبب موقفه الرافض للثورة السورية، ودعمه لنظام الرئيس بشار الأسد، انتهت بتعرّضه للاغتيال يوم 21 مارس 2013، الذي اتفقت المعارضة والنظام السوري على إدانته، وأثار موجة تنديد كبيرة على مستوى العالم،[4] وقد اتهمت المعارضة النظامَ بتدبير الاغتيال بعد ورود أنباء عن عزم البوطي على الانشقاق وتغيير موقفه من الثورة السورية، والهجوم على النظام.[5] بينما اتّهم النظام السوري المعارضةَ باغتياله واصفةً إياهم "بأصحاب الفكر الظلامي التكفيري".[6]
-- BoogaLouie ( talk) 20:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC) -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 16:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
At present no progress is being made. This RfC is having no effect other than to force us all to hold back from neutralizing the heavy POV in the lead and infobox. The two subsections above are obscuring rather than elaborating who thinks what here. How are we going to get closure of this? Perhaps the questions have not yet been adequately separated. I think they are:
-- Stfg ( talk) 14:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
http://www.culture.gov.jo/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=695&Itemid=50&lang=ar http://www.syrianawkkaf.org/ministry/eitehad_oulamaa_bielad_alsham/ http://www.masrawy.com/news/MidEast/General/2013/March/21/5564441.aspx translate the tittle in the last link GhiathArodaki ( talk) 17:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Your welcome GhiathArodaki ( talk) 17:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd also like to mention that this RfC was targeted to the subject of history. This article is journalism, and far too recent to be history. Chris Troutman ( talk) 02:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Comment : Reply to Dlv999 and Chris Troutman.
(mostly pasted from above, March 26),
Below are some stories about his assassination. Note 5 out of 6 of them mention in the headline that al-Buti was pro-government or pro-Assad (Bashir al-Assad is the president of Syria). For pious Arab-speaking Muslims he is no doubt famous for his scholarship, for English speakers/readers -- mostly non-Muslim -- who read English-language wikipedia, he is famous primarily for being assassinated in the midst of the Syrian civil war. --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
16:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Shiekh al.bouti wasn't famous for the assassination , he is a high rank Shiekh known in the islamic world , you know , i don't know why you want to give a bad image on him to the world , the assad supporter regime if it will be put in the context , then go to al-qaradawi article and but a revolt supporter, and to your knowledge , before his death h said he isn't with assad regime or with revolt people , he is not biased to anyone and i'm ready to bring the video to you . GhiathArodaki ( talk) 18:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
http://naseemalsham.com/ar/Pages.php?page=readResearch&pg_id=16773
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xiKNPrTRE
the sources in araic , I Don't like lies , or creating articles for opinions , you can read my main page , so you can know what i'm talking about. GhiathArodaki ( talk) 06:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Deleting is not a game always to press , if you see a mistake just edit it . GhiathArodaki ( talk) 16:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I have corrected some books' titles in English as I found the original translation was wrong. Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.33.177 ( talk) 08:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Editor GhiathArodaki has reverted edits describing Al-Bouti as
known for his outspoken supporter of President
Bashar Assad
[1]
and
Islamic scholar of Syria (rather than a "Shaykh of scientist of Levant", which is what GhaithArodaki prefers)
here
and later
here with this edit summary:
(Hey, Listen Up , He is not known for suporting , he is the shaykh of scientis of levant , Talk good on him , because we don't let anyone say bad things on him , Get it ?)
I think virtually every non-Syrian regime news source has described al-Buti as a supporter of Assad. Examples:
-- BoogaLouie ( talk) 17:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
[the following is pasted from GhiathArodaki talk page as he is currently banned]
References
Should it be noted that Al-Buti was a supporter of the Al-Assad Syrian government against the insurgents in the lede and under notability in the Infobox?
Should Al-Buti's notability in the Infobox be "Great Islamic Scholar of Levant" or an "Islamic scholar, supporter of government" ? --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
23:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Here are some stories about his assassination. Note 5 out of 6 of them mention in the headline that al-Buti was pro-government or pro-Assad (Bashir al-Assad is the president of Syria).
*Support for reasons given above. --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
01:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
According to GhiathArodaki:
Yes he supported The regime , but he isn't known for supporting the regime , he is the shaikh of scientis of levant
We've established that western media journalists and scholars think his support for the regime is notable but what about the arab world? Arabic speakers undoubtedly having access to much more information on al-Buti. Do they blow off the trivial matter of this great scholar supporting the Assad regime?
GhiathArodaki started the article on al-Buti 22 March 2013 with this, which appears to be pasted from the Arabic wikipedia article on al-Buti. Nothing in the lede about support for the regime:
But was there something about regime support in the Arabic article lede now? Below is the third paragraph from the arabic language lede as copied today 1 April 2013, and below that a translation from google (it's a crude translation but you can certainly tell whether or not they deal with his support for the regime. Checking the history, it was not in the article 22 March )
في فترة أحداث سوريا 2011-2013 أصبحت مكانة البوطي في العالم الإسلامي مثاراً للجدل والخلاف بسبب موقفه الرافض للثورة السورية، ودعمه لنظام الرئيس بشار الأسد، انتهت بتعرّضه للاغتيال يوم 21 مارس 2013، الذي اتفقت المعارضة والنظام السوري على إدانته، وأثار موجة تنديد كبيرة على مستوى العالم،[4] وقد اتهمت المعارضة النظامَ بتدبير الاغتيال بعد ورود أنباء عن عزم البوطي على الانشقاق وتغيير موقفه من الثورة السورية، والهجوم على النظام.[5] بينما اتّهم النظام السوري المعارضةَ باغتياله واصفةً إياهم "بأصحاب الفكر الظلامي التكفيري".[6]
-- BoogaLouie ( talk) 20:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC) -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 16:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
At present no progress is being made. This RfC is having no effect other than to force us all to hold back from neutralizing the heavy POV in the lead and infobox. The two subsections above are obscuring rather than elaborating who thinks what here. How are we going to get closure of this? Perhaps the questions have not yet been adequately separated. I think they are:
-- Stfg ( talk) 14:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
http://www.culture.gov.jo/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=695&Itemid=50&lang=ar http://www.syrianawkkaf.org/ministry/eitehad_oulamaa_bielad_alsham/ http://www.masrawy.com/news/MidEast/General/2013/March/21/5564441.aspx translate the tittle in the last link GhiathArodaki ( talk) 17:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Your welcome GhiathArodaki ( talk) 17:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
I'd also like to mention that this RfC was targeted to the subject of history. This article is journalism, and far too recent to be history. Chris Troutman ( talk) 02:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Comment : Reply to Dlv999 and Chris Troutman.
(mostly pasted from above, March 26),
Below are some stories about his assassination. Note 5 out of 6 of them mention in the headline that al-Buti was pro-government or pro-Assad (Bashir al-Assad is the president of Syria). For pious Arab-speaking Muslims he is no doubt famous for his scholarship, for English speakers/readers -- mostly non-Muslim -- who read English-language wikipedia, he is famous primarily for being assassinated in the midst of the Syrian civil war. --
BoogaLouie (
talk)
16:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Shiekh al.bouti wasn't famous for the assassination , he is a high rank Shiekh known in the islamic world , you know , i don't know why you want to give a bad image on him to the world , the assad supporter regime if it will be put in the context , then go to al-qaradawi article and but a revolt supporter, and to your knowledge , before his death h said he isn't with assad regime or with revolt people , he is not biased to anyone and i'm ready to bring the video to you . GhiathArodaki ( talk) 18:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
http://naseemalsham.com/ar/Pages.php?page=readResearch&pg_id=16773
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xiKNPrTRE
the sources in araic , I Don't like lies , or creating articles for opinions , you can read my main page , so you can know what i'm talking about. GhiathArodaki ( talk) 06:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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