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Removed the BLP template and added a reference to the Nature story. There has been a lot about Prod. Naschie in the last couple of days. Will work on this sporadically, feel free to dive in. MuppetLabTech ( talk) 15:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Note Freudian slip above! I meant "Prof Naschie" obviously! MuppetLabTech ( talk) 15:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I just edited some things down out of WP:BLP concerns.
Even as I've edited it, we probably need to reflect any balance from the articles, and cite specific accusers rather than just state vaguely that there was criticism. I don't have time at the moment to wade through a translation of the German article. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Have tried to keep tone neutral. Can't find any RS that he was a candidate for the Egyptian presidential election or is trying to found a nanotech lad in Egypt, though there is a lot of chatter about both.
MuppetLabTech (
talk) 22:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Impact factor manipulation in C,S,F and Ji-Huan He's IJNSNS was proven by an analysis of the citation databases by the past-president of the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics. The results were published in the Nature magazine-equivalent for mathematics, namely the Notices of the American Mathematical Society [ see
http://www.ams.org/notices/201103/rtx110300434p.pdf and also
http://www.siam.org/news/news.php?id=1663 ]. I would also like to point out that in an attempt at some perceived or imagined need for balance this article attempts to whitewash some of the FACTS about El Naschie that A COURT OF LAW ruled to be true. For example, the "positive" quotes in earlier sections (before the lawsuit summary) and the allusion that E-infinity may in fact be a theory (instead of a collection of english words that may or may not form grammatical sentences but have no content). This is a disservice to the readers of Wikipedia, especially since the most important part of the article comes last. I won't attempt an edit because it seems the two people above are more experiences with this type of article, but I do hope they seriously consider these things.
68.226.146.186 (
talk) 15:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a LOT about the subject at http://elnaschiewatch.blogspot.ca/ with unfortunatly few links ro reliable sources, unless you speak arabic, which I don't. The fact this blog exists may be notable in itself but as I can't find mention of it in RS am not putting in the article for now. Comments ? MuppetLabTech ( talk) 19:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
This http://massai.ahram.org.eg/Inner.aspx?ContentID=39936 is appently an article from Al Ahram reporting that El Naschie was a candidate in the recent Egyption presidential election. Can an Arabic speaker confirm - if so worth adding to the article I think MuppetLabTech ( talk) 19:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The article says "Peter Weibel of the Center for Art and Media Karlsruhe has said that "El Naschie is very highly regarded in the community" and is "always spoken of as a possible Nobel prize candidate"." What 'community' is Weibel referring to? He is associated with the Center for Art and Media, so is he saying El Naschie is highly regarded in the community of Art and Media? Or just in the community where he lives? Or is he saying El Naschie is highly regarded in the community of physicists? If the former, this should be clarified. If the latter, what are his qualifications are for making such a statement? Surely a more suitable source for such a statement could be found. Also, could we have some clarification on the meaning of the phrase "always spoken of as a possible Nobel prize candidate"? This seems like a strange quote, and not really a matter of opinion. A prize in what category? Literature? Peace? Medicine? Physics? Who speaks of it? I've heard that Gerard t'Hooft has been quoted as saying favorable things about El Naschie (though perhaps not about his ideas in physics), so wouldn't it be better to quote him, if indeed the quote is intended to be discussing the view in the physics community? It just seems to me that if we're trying to give quotes on how El Naschie is viewed in the physics community we should quote someone in the physics community, rather than the center for Art and Media. Flau98bert ( talk) 20:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the source of the Baez quote? Is it from his blog? Flau98bert ( talk) 07:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I only heard about the El Naschie controversy some days ago and, after reading up on the available online material, in particular the Nature libel judgment, see the current state of the Wikipedia article as somewhat problematic.
The sentence in the lede (always a difficult bit) stating that El Naschie "is known for publishing many papers in theoretical physics", is an example: Where's the source for that? Going by the articles cited in the reference section (which, since such coverage is one standard way of establishing WP:Notability, are surely the way of telling what that notability is for), it would appear that what El Naschie is known for in wider circles is the controversy - his controversial editorship and so on. I see no sign that the quantity of his published articles has ever caught public attention on its own, independent of the controversy.
There's another aspect we might want to include in the lede, though, which concerns his role in the controversy about academic rankings. This was reported on e.g. in the New York Times [1] and the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung [2]. At the very least, it should be mentioned somewhere in the main text.
Then, there's the question of the Turok testimony. It's referred to, and described, in the Guardian article quoted in the main text [3], so surely it should be admissible in the current section on publications, next to the Baez and Weibel quotes. Even further, since the Guardian reference establishes notability of Turok's testimony, it should be admissible following WP:BLPPRIMARY to include quotation from the original court transcript on that particular subject matter.
On a more subtle matter of balance, I think we should be consistent when introducing the Weibel and Baez quotes. Currently, Baez is introduced using his profession, Weibel using his affiliation. I'd even matters out by making this " Mathematical physicist professor John C. Baez of UC Riverside" and "artist and art theoretician Peter Weibel of the Center for Art and Media Karlsruhe". That still leaves the question why an artist/art theoretician is qualified to comment on this topic in the first place, of course.
Markus Poessel ( talk) 12:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Since the discussion has somewhat ground to a halt, I'll implement those parts about which there appears to be some consensus: Flau98berts version with my extra sentence tacked on, removing the "Dr." as per WP:CREDENTIALS, and stating Weibel's profession just as we do for Baez. Additional improvements are doubtlessly possible, but at least for me, don't have a high priority right now. Markus Poessel ( talk) 09:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to state in the article that El Naschie's thesis can no longer be found? I'm sure that's true of many other 1970s graduates and no particular disgrace. The source given seems to me to be quite convincing that he did indeed graduate with a thesis of that title. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's really the case with that but, ironically, El Naschie considers himself an engineer first while physics is just a hobby for him. Therefore I would label him a hobby physicist, at most. -- BoBSlo ( talk) 01:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Elnaschie, who is presumably the subject of the article, has twice added the following to the article itself. As David Eppstein has pointed out, this page is where it belongs. So I have put it here. Maproom ( talk) 00:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
your staff or who ever is writing these untrue and inacurat things about me have been pushed to do . here is my real CV and you should SEARCH the CV OF THOSE WHO ARE DEFAMING ME AND CONSPIRING EVEN WHEN THEY ARE DOCORATED.AT A MINIMUM AND AT 72 I HAVE THE WRITE TO BE FORGOTTEN. Short C V. M.S. El Naschie was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1943. In 2012 he ran for the Presidency of Egypt. Between these two important dates he went to Germany where he received his high school and University education in Hannover. After attaining a Diploma in structural engineering and working for a few years as a consulting engineer, he moved to the UK where he obtained a Doctor of Philosophy from University College, London in 1974 under the supervision of Prof. J.M.T. Thompson, FRS and became a member of the Stability Research Group founded by Lord Henry Chilver. Subsequent important stations in his career are a full professorship in Kind Saud University, a Visiting Professor in Cornell and a Senior Visiting Professor and Scholar in the University of Cambridge. At a seminal point of time he was associated with Nobel Laureate Ilya Prigogine, Sir Herman Bondi,Sir Jams Lighthell Nobel Laureate G'tHooft and Prof. S. Al Athel, Minister of Science of Saudi Araia. In his long research career Prof. El Naschie published more than a thousand papers and articles in engineering sciences, mathematics, theoretical physics, cosmology, political science, history and art and had at one time or another his own weekly TV science program on Egyptian TV and a daily column in Rose Al-Youssef. Prof. El Naschie was a long time scientific advisor to the Egyptian and Saudi Arabian governments. Prof. El Naschie is acknowledged as one of the three pioneers of fractal spacetime theory along with Garnet Ord and Laurent Nottale and is the creator of the physical E-infinity theory of high energy physics. He was honoured for his achievements in Arabia, Germany and the USA. He was elected a Fellow of the Institute of Physics in the U.K. and was honoured in Germany by the bestowal of the title of Distinguished Fellow of the Frankfurt Association for the Advancement of Fundamental Research, Johann Wolfgang Goethe University, Frankfurt. He presently works on the development of zero vacuum point energy reactors to utilize and amplify spacetime topological effects such as the Casimir effect and dark energy. El Naschie has recently given a new insightful interpretation of E = mc2 of Einstein where it was shown to have quantum roots, namely E = mc2/22 and E = mc2(21/22). At present(2-3-2015) his h-index is 62 and his i-10 index is 625. His Research gate index is 56.85 and impact index is 559.48
Why is the above written in Pidgin-English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.89.142 ( talk) 18:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Then who wrote all of his dubious physics papers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.176.193 ( talk) 17:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I see the Arabic version of El Naschie's name given in the article as محمد النشائي, which my browser (Chrome, on Windows) renders mainly as white boxes. This is odd, as it renders whole pages of ar:Wikipedia correctly. And it renders it correctly here. Maproom ( talk) 17:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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Removed the BLP template and added a reference to the Nature story. There has been a lot about Prod. Naschie in the last couple of days. Will work on this sporadically, feel free to dive in. MuppetLabTech ( talk) 15:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Note Freudian slip above! I meant "Prof Naschie" obviously! MuppetLabTech ( talk) 15:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I just edited some things down out of WP:BLP concerns.
Even as I've edited it, we probably need to reflect any balance from the articles, and cite specific accusers rather than just state vaguely that there was criticism. I don't have time at the moment to wade through a translation of the German article. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Have tried to keep tone neutral. Can't find any RS that he was a candidate for the Egyptian presidential election or is trying to found a nanotech lad in Egypt, though there is a lot of chatter about both.
MuppetLabTech (
talk) 22:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Impact factor manipulation in C,S,F and Ji-Huan He's IJNSNS was proven by an analysis of the citation databases by the past-president of the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics. The results were published in the Nature magazine-equivalent for mathematics, namely the Notices of the American Mathematical Society [ see
http://www.ams.org/notices/201103/rtx110300434p.pdf and also
http://www.siam.org/news/news.php?id=1663 ]. I would also like to point out that in an attempt at some perceived or imagined need for balance this article attempts to whitewash some of the FACTS about El Naschie that A COURT OF LAW ruled to be true. For example, the "positive" quotes in earlier sections (before the lawsuit summary) and the allusion that E-infinity may in fact be a theory (instead of a collection of english words that may or may not form grammatical sentences but have no content). This is a disservice to the readers of Wikipedia, especially since the most important part of the article comes last. I won't attempt an edit because it seems the two people above are more experiences with this type of article, but I do hope they seriously consider these things.
68.226.146.186 (
talk) 15:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a LOT about the subject at http://elnaschiewatch.blogspot.ca/ with unfortunatly few links ro reliable sources, unless you speak arabic, which I don't. The fact this blog exists may be notable in itself but as I can't find mention of it in RS am not putting in the article for now. Comments ? MuppetLabTech ( talk) 19:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
This http://massai.ahram.org.eg/Inner.aspx?ContentID=39936 is appently an article from Al Ahram reporting that El Naschie was a candidate in the recent Egyption presidential election. Can an Arabic speaker confirm - if so worth adding to the article I think MuppetLabTech ( talk) 19:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The article says "Peter Weibel of the Center for Art and Media Karlsruhe has said that "El Naschie is very highly regarded in the community" and is "always spoken of as a possible Nobel prize candidate"." What 'community' is Weibel referring to? He is associated with the Center for Art and Media, so is he saying El Naschie is highly regarded in the community of Art and Media? Or just in the community where he lives? Or is he saying El Naschie is highly regarded in the community of physicists? If the former, this should be clarified. If the latter, what are his qualifications are for making such a statement? Surely a more suitable source for such a statement could be found. Also, could we have some clarification on the meaning of the phrase "always spoken of as a possible Nobel prize candidate"? This seems like a strange quote, and not really a matter of opinion. A prize in what category? Literature? Peace? Medicine? Physics? Who speaks of it? I've heard that Gerard t'Hooft has been quoted as saying favorable things about El Naschie (though perhaps not about his ideas in physics), so wouldn't it be better to quote him, if indeed the quote is intended to be discussing the view in the physics community? It just seems to me that if we're trying to give quotes on how El Naschie is viewed in the physics community we should quote someone in the physics community, rather than the center for Art and Media. Flau98bert ( talk) 20:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the source of the Baez quote? Is it from his blog? Flau98bert ( talk) 07:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I only heard about the El Naschie controversy some days ago and, after reading up on the available online material, in particular the Nature libel judgment, see the current state of the Wikipedia article as somewhat problematic.
The sentence in the lede (always a difficult bit) stating that El Naschie "is known for publishing many papers in theoretical physics", is an example: Where's the source for that? Going by the articles cited in the reference section (which, since such coverage is one standard way of establishing WP:Notability, are surely the way of telling what that notability is for), it would appear that what El Naschie is known for in wider circles is the controversy - his controversial editorship and so on. I see no sign that the quantity of his published articles has ever caught public attention on its own, independent of the controversy.
There's another aspect we might want to include in the lede, though, which concerns his role in the controversy about academic rankings. This was reported on e.g. in the New York Times [1] and the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung [2]. At the very least, it should be mentioned somewhere in the main text.
Then, there's the question of the Turok testimony. It's referred to, and described, in the Guardian article quoted in the main text [3], so surely it should be admissible in the current section on publications, next to the Baez and Weibel quotes. Even further, since the Guardian reference establishes notability of Turok's testimony, it should be admissible following WP:BLPPRIMARY to include quotation from the original court transcript on that particular subject matter.
On a more subtle matter of balance, I think we should be consistent when introducing the Weibel and Baez quotes. Currently, Baez is introduced using his profession, Weibel using his affiliation. I'd even matters out by making this " Mathematical physicist professor John C. Baez of UC Riverside" and "artist and art theoretician Peter Weibel of the Center for Art and Media Karlsruhe". That still leaves the question why an artist/art theoretician is qualified to comment on this topic in the first place, of course.
Markus Poessel ( talk) 12:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Since the discussion has somewhat ground to a halt, I'll implement those parts about which there appears to be some consensus: Flau98berts version with my extra sentence tacked on, removing the "Dr." as per WP:CREDENTIALS, and stating Weibel's profession just as we do for Baez. Additional improvements are doubtlessly possible, but at least for me, don't have a high priority right now. Markus Poessel ( talk) 09:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to state in the article that El Naschie's thesis can no longer be found? I'm sure that's true of many other 1970s graduates and no particular disgrace. The source given seems to me to be quite convincing that he did indeed graduate with a thesis of that title. — David Eppstein ( talk) 17:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's really the case with that but, ironically, El Naschie considers himself an engineer first while physics is just a hobby for him. Therefore I would label him a hobby physicist, at most. -- BoBSlo ( talk) 01:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Elnaschie, who is presumably the subject of the article, has twice added the following to the article itself. As David Eppstein has pointed out, this page is where it belongs. So I have put it here. Maproom ( talk) 00:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
your staff or who ever is writing these untrue and inacurat things about me have been pushed to do . here is my real CV and you should SEARCH the CV OF THOSE WHO ARE DEFAMING ME AND CONSPIRING EVEN WHEN THEY ARE DOCORATED.AT A MINIMUM AND AT 72 I HAVE THE WRITE TO BE FORGOTTEN. Short C V. M.S. El Naschie was born in Cairo, Egypt in 1943. In 2012 he ran for the Presidency of Egypt. Between these two important dates he went to Germany where he received his high school and University education in Hannover. After attaining a Diploma in structural engineering and working for a few years as a consulting engineer, he moved to the UK where he obtained a Doctor of Philosophy from University College, London in 1974 under the supervision of Prof. J.M.T. Thompson, FRS and became a member of the Stability Research Group founded by Lord Henry Chilver. Subsequent important stations in his career are a full professorship in Kind Saud University, a Visiting Professor in Cornell and a Senior Visiting Professor and Scholar in the University of Cambridge. At a seminal point of time he was associated with Nobel Laureate Ilya Prigogine, Sir Herman Bondi,Sir Jams Lighthell Nobel Laureate G'tHooft and Prof. S. Al Athel, Minister of Science of Saudi Araia. In his long research career Prof. El Naschie published more than a thousand papers and articles in engineering sciences, mathematics, theoretical physics, cosmology, political science, history and art and had at one time or another his own weekly TV science program on Egyptian TV and a daily column in Rose Al-Youssef. Prof. El Naschie was a long time scientific advisor to the Egyptian and Saudi Arabian governments. Prof. El Naschie is acknowledged as one of the three pioneers of fractal spacetime theory along with Garnet Ord and Laurent Nottale and is the creator of the physical E-infinity theory of high energy physics. He was honoured for his achievements in Arabia, Germany and the USA. He was elected a Fellow of the Institute of Physics in the U.K. and was honoured in Germany by the bestowal of the title of Distinguished Fellow of the Frankfurt Association for the Advancement of Fundamental Research, Johann Wolfgang Goethe University, Frankfurt. He presently works on the development of zero vacuum point energy reactors to utilize and amplify spacetime topological effects such as the Casimir effect and dark energy. El Naschie has recently given a new insightful interpretation of E = mc2 of Einstein where it was shown to have quantum roots, namely E = mc2/22 and E = mc2(21/22). At present(2-3-2015) his h-index is 62 and his i-10 index is 625. His Research gate index is 56.85 and impact index is 559.48
Why is the above written in Pidgin-English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.89.142 ( talk) 18:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Then who wrote all of his dubious physics papers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.176.193 ( talk) 17:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I see the Arabic version of El Naschie's name given in the article as محمد النشائي, which my browser (Chrome, on Windows) renders mainly as white boxes. This is odd, as it renders whole pages of ar:Wikipedia correctly. And it renders it correctly here. Maproom ( talk) 17:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
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