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Sega Dreamcast does have a hardware copy protection system. It's just that the system BIOS has a back door that allows it to boot games from regular CDs. Xbox has a similar back door, but in order to use the back door, you must be able to "sign" the code as being allowed to use it - not going to happen any time soon.
-- Myria 05:51, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think it would also be interesting to include some discussion of some of the dangers of using modchips (premature laser failure, bad solder=broken console)
Someone added a bit on the DS and these supposed modchips that load DS roms from the GBA slot. I'm aware of this procedure, but it is done through Passme decives, not modchips. If I am mistaken and there is a DS modchip, maybe that part should be sourced. Otherwise, I'm removing the paragraph. -- Thaddius 16:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
There are some elements of this article (eg the last link in the links section) that look like advertising, should they be removed or are they genuinely useful? Jamamala 18:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph makes it seem as if modchips are used just to be able to play pirated games and such, but it doesn't mention that oftentimes people do it to extend the capability of whatever they are modding.
"(...) the law does say that if a chip bypasses copyright protection as well as regional protection, then it is legal. (...)" Please back up this very important statement with a citation of the respective law or remove the paragraph entirely. I myself will refrain from editing this paragraph any more, as it is constantly being laced with incorrect and suppositious information that I can only assume stems from wishful thinking. 85.181.68.2 13:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I have updated this damn article three times and each time I go back the ESA has deleted the information I implemented. Modchips of all kinds are legal in Australia, FACT. Bypassing copyright protection in order to bypass regional protection is legal, FACT. Somebody needs to ban these idiots from Wikipedia. If you don't believe me, read the friggin source I keep providing and call the Australian Attorney Generals office. Not everybody lives in the USA, laws are different in Australia. Stop spreading ignorance you bafoon! [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Copyright Amendment Act of 2006, as found on the Federal Attorney Generals website.
You are wrong, plain and simple. My brother currently operates a console repair store and he also sells modchips upon request. He operates in the Brisbane CBD and displays a sign outside of his shop reading "MOD CHIPS FOR BACKUPS AVAILABLE". He has received legal advice numerous times from the Attorney General and three different lawyers. Each time he has been told that provided the chips he sells also bypass regional coding, then they are legal. It is as simple as that, give it up. You lose this round. Don't bother arguing about it because the law is the law. If you delete my entry again I will be reporting you for vandalism. MikeZombie777 23:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I am referring modchips in which have to bypass TPM/ACTPM to be able to bypass regional coding. This is what I would like to be included in the Australian Legality section. I don't suppose it ever crossed your mind to dig up the legislation yourself, did it? Instead you're just sitting here telling me it's illegal when reforms implemented last year have specifically made it LEGAL. Regardless, I've provided enough sources and I don't see any reason to provide more. The Attorney General has said that it is legal, various lawyers have said it is legal, so I think enough is enough. These specialized people are far more qualified to pass judgment on the law than any of you on Wikipedia are, so just give it a rest. By the way, all three of you have been reported for vandalism.
MikeZombie777 23:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the alleged "reporting for vandalism" hasn't actually happened, at least not in the appropriate place. I've been trying to ignore this spat, as I do for most unproductive discussion, but this is just to let other editors opposing the addition of unsourced commentary to the article (who are in the majority) know not to be intimidated. Chris Cunningham 01:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that in the Sega Saturn section, but no where else in the article, it refers to illegally copied games as "backups". Something should probably be changed here.
I have seen many oversimplifications and plain wrong information when it comes to legal status in some countries, and I'd very much like to improve that. I started with the section on Italy's court ruling, putting some things in perspective. Next up, I'll try to clear up the obviously sensitive matter of Australian legality, which is still misleading at best.
Is there a special reason why the EUCD -- the "European Copyright Directive", Europe's version of the DCMA which has been adopted by all EU states but Sweden and Spain -- is not even mentioned anywhere? Freddy Yak! 14:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I realize that Australian legality is a sensitive issue (see the heated discussion above), but the section was inaccurate at best. I moved the outdated court ruling down and put it into perspective with old and new legislation. I elaborated on the first paragraph which actually didn't make any statements regarding legality. And, above all, I corrected the sentence about the legality of modchips circumventing both copyright and region protection mechanisms, which was misleading as it declared this practice legal (which, unless a court rules otherwise, it isn't, see first paragraph). If any issues arise with my edit, I hope they can be resolved in a mature manner (unlike, again, see discussion above). -- Freddy Talk 14:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Sega Dreamcast does have a hardware copy protection system. It's just that the system BIOS has a back door that allows it to boot games from regular CDs. Xbox has a similar back door, but in order to use the back door, you must be able to "sign" the code as being allowed to use it - not going to happen any time soon.
-- Myria 05:51, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think it would also be interesting to include some discussion of some of the dangers of using modchips (premature laser failure, bad solder=broken console)
Someone added a bit on the DS and these supposed modchips that load DS roms from the GBA slot. I'm aware of this procedure, but it is done through Passme decives, not modchips. If I am mistaken and there is a DS modchip, maybe that part should be sourced. Otherwise, I'm removing the paragraph. -- Thaddius 16:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
There are some elements of this article (eg the last link in the links section) that look like advertising, should they be removed or are they genuinely useful? Jamamala 18:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph makes it seem as if modchips are used just to be able to play pirated games and such, but it doesn't mention that oftentimes people do it to extend the capability of whatever they are modding.
"(...) the law does say that if a chip bypasses copyright protection as well as regional protection, then it is legal. (...)" Please back up this very important statement with a citation of the respective law or remove the paragraph entirely. I myself will refrain from editing this paragraph any more, as it is constantly being laced with incorrect and suppositious information that I can only assume stems from wishful thinking. 85.181.68.2 13:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I have updated this damn article three times and each time I go back the ESA has deleted the information I implemented. Modchips of all kinds are legal in Australia, FACT. Bypassing copyright protection in order to bypass regional protection is legal, FACT. Somebody needs to ban these idiots from Wikipedia. If you don't believe me, read the friggin source I keep providing and call the Australian Attorney Generals office. Not everybody lives in the USA, laws are different in Australia. Stop spreading ignorance you bafoon! [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Copyright Amendment Act of 2006, as found on the Federal Attorney Generals website.
You are wrong, plain and simple. My brother currently operates a console repair store and he also sells modchips upon request. He operates in the Brisbane CBD and displays a sign outside of his shop reading "MOD CHIPS FOR BACKUPS AVAILABLE". He has received legal advice numerous times from the Attorney General and three different lawyers. Each time he has been told that provided the chips he sells also bypass regional coding, then they are legal. It is as simple as that, give it up. You lose this round. Don't bother arguing about it because the law is the law. If you delete my entry again I will be reporting you for vandalism. MikeZombie777 23:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I am referring modchips in which have to bypass TPM/ACTPM to be able to bypass regional coding. This is what I would like to be included in the Australian Legality section. I don't suppose it ever crossed your mind to dig up the legislation yourself, did it? Instead you're just sitting here telling me it's illegal when reforms implemented last year have specifically made it LEGAL. Regardless, I've provided enough sources and I don't see any reason to provide more. The Attorney General has said that it is legal, various lawyers have said it is legal, so I think enough is enough. These specialized people are far more qualified to pass judgment on the law than any of you on Wikipedia are, so just give it a rest. By the way, all three of you have been reported for vandalism.
MikeZombie777 23:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the alleged "reporting for vandalism" hasn't actually happened, at least not in the appropriate place. I've been trying to ignore this spat, as I do for most unproductive discussion, but this is just to let other editors opposing the addition of unsourced commentary to the article (who are in the majority) know not to be intimidated. Chris Cunningham 01:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that in the Sega Saturn section, but no where else in the article, it refers to illegally copied games as "backups". Something should probably be changed here.
I have seen many oversimplifications and plain wrong information when it comes to legal status in some countries, and I'd very much like to improve that. I started with the section on Italy's court ruling, putting some things in perspective. Next up, I'll try to clear up the obviously sensitive matter of Australian legality, which is still misleading at best.
Is there a special reason why the EUCD -- the "European Copyright Directive", Europe's version of the DCMA which has been adopted by all EU states but Sweden and Spain -- is not even mentioned anywhere? Freddy Yak! 14:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I realize that Australian legality is a sensitive issue (see the heated discussion above), but the section was inaccurate at best. I moved the outdated court ruling down and put it into perspective with old and new legislation. I elaborated on the first paragraph which actually didn't make any statements regarding legality. And, above all, I corrected the sentence about the legality of modchips circumventing both copyright and region protection mechanisms, which was misleading as it declared this practice legal (which, unless a court rules otherwise, it isn't, see first paragraph). If any issues arise with my edit, I hope they can be resolved in a mature manner (unlike, again, see discussion above). -- Freddy Talk 14:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)