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This page has absolutely nothing about Bobbi joining the Great Lakes Avengers. Can we get something about this? IronMan54 16:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I could have sworn her death was completely an accident. As in they were just running from Mephisto's fireballs and whammo, she got one in the back. Lots42 10:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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I changed the sentence that said that "October 12th" was the date Mockingbird miscarried. Its is actually the date they guessed that their child would have been born. So I've added a couple sentences to reflect that. 74.12.144.178 00:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I read Astonishing Tales #6 last night, and Bobbi Morse, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. was nowhere to be found. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 13:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Just to head off any possible complaints about the changes I made to the first appearance and creator credits in the article here is some of my reasoning:
First off the first appearance: as the article points out the character that eventually becomes Mockingbird appears for the first time, albeit unrecognizably, in Astonishing Tales #6. The previous claim that she first appeared in Astonishing Tales #12 seems to be based on two misapprehensions –
1. That it is the appearance that was created first. This may be true as the “Man-Thing!” story in that issue was actually produced much earlier then the rest of the issue as it was intended for the unpublished version of Savage Tales #2. It should not matter though as generally the first published appearance is what is meant by “first appearance”. For instance Superman may have been a newspaper strip proposal before he appeared in Action Comics #1, but publishing that newspaper strip proposal today would not make the newer comic his “first appearance”. 2. That this is the first time that she is identified as “Barbara Morse” and so starts to gain significant traits of the character. This too is flawed for several reasons. First she appears as “Barbara” in earlier stories so the exact point where Thomas and co. decided to combine these characters is unclear. Also the “Doctor Barbara Morse” in Astonishing Tales #12 is hardly the finished version of the character, as she has a ways to develop before becoming the “Mockingbird” we recognise her today.
As such it is clear in these early years the character was in constant state of development and so, although she looks and acts very differently than she would later, Astonishing Tales #6 is the character’s first appearance.
For the same reasons I have changed the way that “creator” credits are assigned for the character. A survey of her history clearly indicates that this is a character who has been “developed” over long periods rather than “created” at a single definable point. Over the years significant contributions to the character have been made by Gerry Conway & Barry Smith (who introduced the initial idea of a girl looking for Ka-Zar and travelling to the Savage Land to find him), Len Wein & Neal Adams (who created scientist Dr. Barbara Morse), Roy Thomas (who decided to combine Conway’s character with Wein’s), Mike Friedrich (who made her into a full-SHIELD agent and later a superhero in her own right for the first time), Archie Goodwin & George Evans (who collaborated with Friedrich in turning her into a superhero) and Steven Grant & Mark Gruenwald (who created the Mockingbird persona and costume). It is arguable that later creators also made significant contributions, though I would maintain that after Grant and Gruenwald’s Marvel Team-Up #95 she is pretty much the same character as she is today.
Finally, the superherobox only allows for “creators” to be listed so I found it necessary to list all the names above, even though - as I’ve said - I think it is more appropriate to say that the character has been “developed” rather than “created”. Hueysheridan ( talk) 21:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Jessica Jones (the intro to her article cited very recent comics, which I've never read), so I'll have to recuse myself there. Certainly Goodwin as editor of the one story with Morse in her Huntress persona is on the same level as Mort Weisinger's involvement with the creations of the Phantom Zone, Kandor, the Arctic-located Fortress of Solitude and so much more of the Superman mythos, and probably a lower level. And does whoever turned Dick Grayson from Robin into Nightwing belong in the creator slot in his infobox? That's definitely the same thing as the guys who turned Huntress into Mockingbird (and that was done only because DC had debuted Helena Wayne during the intervening period in which Marvel didn't use Bobbi, while at the age of about 25 Grayson just looked ridiculous in his original costume). -- Tbrittreid ( talk) 22:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I added a partial bibliography and it was promptly deleted because it was "incomplete and unnecessary". While I have to agree that it was incomplete, I think it would be extremely useful to both collectors and casual fans. Davelecave ( talk) 20:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
@ 65.126.152.254:"Whatever writer Gerry Conway’s original ideas were for this character, subsequent creators developed her to such a degree that she is unrecognisable as this earlier figure. In particular, no later story makes reference to any psychic abilities that these quotes might describe."
Gerry Conway's original ideas were dropped. Subsequent creators developed her to such a degree that she is unrecognisable as this earlier figure. And no later story makes reference to any psychic abilities. All of that is fact and can easily be seen by reading through the article and checking the other sources. Cebr1979 ( talk) 22:38, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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This page has absolutely nothing about Bobbi joining the Great Lakes Avengers. Can we get something about this? IronMan54 16:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I could have sworn her death was completely an accident. As in they were just running from Mephisto's fireballs and whammo, she got one in the back. Lots42 10:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 21:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I changed the sentence that said that "October 12th" was the date Mockingbird miscarried. Its is actually the date they guessed that their child would have been born. So I've added a couple sentences to reflect that. 74.12.144.178 00:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I read Astonishing Tales #6 last night, and Bobbi Morse, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. was nowhere to be found. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 13:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Just to head off any possible complaints about the changes I made to the first appearance and creator credits in the article here is some of my reasoning:
First off the first appearance: as the article points out the character that eventually becomes Mockingbird appears for the first time, albeit unrecognizably, in Astonishing Tales #6. The previous claim that she first appeared in Astonishing Tales #12 seems to be based on two misapprehensions –
1. That it is the appearance that was created first. This may be true as the “Man-Thing!” story in that issue was actually produced much earlier then the rest of the issue as it was intended for the unpublished version of Savage Tales #2. It should not matter though as generally the first published appearance is what is meant by “first appearance”. For instance Superman may have been a newspaper strip proposal before he appeared in Action Comics #1, but publishing that newspaper strip proposal today would not make the newer comic his “first appearance”. 2. That this is the first time that she is identified as “Barbara Morse” and so starts to gain significant traits of the character. This too is flawed for several reasons. First she appears as “Barbara” in earlier stories so the exact point where Thomas and co. decided to combine these characters is unclear. Also the “Doctor Barbara Morse” in Astonishing Tales #12 is hardly the finished version of the character, as she has a ways to develop before becoming the “Mockingbird” we recognise her today.
As such it is clear in these early years the character was in constant state of development and so, although she looks and acts very differently than she would later, Astonishing Tales #6 is the character’s first appearance.
For the same reasons I have changed the way that “creator” credits are assigned for the character. A survey of her history clearly indicates that this is a character who has been “developed” over long periods rather than “created” at a single definable point. Over the years significant contributions to the character have been made by Gerry Conway & Barry Smith (who introduced the initial idea of a girl looking for Ka-Zar and travelling to the Savage Land to find him), Len Wein & Neal Adams (who created scientist Dr. Barbara Morse), Roy Thomas (who decided to combine Conway’s character with Wein’s), Mike Friedrich (who made her into a full-SHIELD agent and later a superhero in her own right for the first time), Archie Goodwin & George Evans (who collaborated with Friedrich in turning her into a superhero) and Steven Grant & Mark Gruenwald (who created the Mockingbird persona and costume). It is arguable that later creators also made significant contributions, though I would maintain that after Grant and Gruenwald’s Marvel Team-Up #95 she is pretty much the same character as she is today.
Finally, the superherobox only allows for “creators” to be listed so I found it necessary to list all the names above, even though - as I’ve said - I think it is more appropriate to say that the character has been “developed” rather than “created”. Hueysheridan ( talk) 21:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Jessica Jones (the intro to her article cited very recent comics, which I've never read), so I'll have to recuse myself there. Certainly Goodwin as editor of the one story with Morse in her Huntress persona is on the same level as Mort Weisinger's involvement with the creations of the Phantom Zone, Kandor, the Arctic-located Fortress of Solitude and so much more of the Superman mythos, and probably a lower level. And does whoever turned Dick Grayson from Robin into Nightwing belong in the creator slot in his infobox? That's definitely the same thing as the guys who turned Huntress into Mockingbird (and that was done only because DC had debuted Helena Wayne during the intervening period in which Marvel didn't use Bobbi, while at the age of about 25 Grayson just looked ridiculous in his original costume). -- Tbrittreid ( talk) 22:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I added a partial bibliography and it was promptly deleted because it was "incomplete and unnecessary". While I have to agree that it was incomplete, I think it would be extremely useful to both collectors and casual fans. Davelecave ( talk) 20:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
@ 65.126.152.254:"Whatever writer Gerry Conway’s original ideas were for this character, subsequent creators developed her to such a degree that she is unrecognisable as this earlier figure. In particular, no later story makes reference to any psychic abilities that these quotes might describe."
Gerry Conway's original ideas were dropped. Subsequent creators developed her to such a degree that she is unrecognisable as this earlier figure. And no later story makes reference to any psychic abilities. All of that is fact and can easily be seen by reading through the article and checking the other sources. Cebr1979 ( talk) 22:38, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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