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@ Lithopsian: I apologize if I offended you, but I believed that this would be an uncontroversial change. During the Apollo-era, they were Mobile Launchers. During the Shuttle-era, they were Mobile Launch Platforms.
I have documented several examples of NASA referring to these three structures during and after the Shuttle-era as "Mobile Launch Platforms" below:
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/mobile_platform.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/nov/HQ_04384_SRB.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/multimedia/120_rolloutgallery.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/multimedia/sts117_rollout-gallery2.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2004/04-285.html
Here are some examples of third-party organizations calling them by that name:
- https://www.space.com/22482-nasa-mobile-launch-platforms.html
- https://gizmodo.com/nasa-to-sell-giant-shuttle-launch-platforms-wont-help-1189413348
- https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/features/omega-partnerships-support-kennedy-space-centers-and-air-forces-vision-for-space-coast
The ngrams data also clearly shows that "Mobile Launch Platform" is in wider use than "Mobile Launcher Platform."
Given these facts, I believe a move to "Mobile Launch Platform" is the correct action to take, as it's more in-line with Wikipedia's name policy. - Jadebenn ( talk)
- No offence. WP:BRD and all that. You were bold, I reverted (the edits, and maybe the page names soon), now we're discussing. As I've requested a revert of the page moves, an admin will likely move them back and there will be a formal discussion of what the names should be. At the end of that, the outcome will be implemented and there is usually no going back. As for the articles themselves, I reverted the name changes because they were uncited. Wikipedia requires WP:RELIABLE references for any claims that it makes and you gave none. The few references already in the articles that described the formal names and the history of them supported the original names. You could edit the articles again, with better references, but it risks getting reverted again and accusations of edit warring. Probably best to present your evidence in the move discussion, assuming that's what happens. Or perhaps put together a "history" or "nomenclature" section at Mobile Launcher Platform to fully document things? Lithopsian ( talk) 22:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- I have withdrawn my objection to moving the articles back to their original name. Once that has occurred I'll put together a formal move request for:
- Part of my reasoning is that the current article may be miscapitalized (it may be more correct to use "Mobile launch platform" or "Mobile launcher platform"), and irrespective of the decision on the name itself, the debate on capitalization should definitely occur somewhere a consensus can be reached. - Jadebenn ( talk) 01:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- @ Lithopsian: I have gone ahead and created a formal move request. - Jadebenn ( talk) 01:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mobile Launcher Platform which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 01:46, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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@ Lithopsian: I apologize if I offended you, but I believed that this would be an uncontroversial change. During the Apollo-era, they were Mobile Launchers. During the Shuttle-era, they were Mobile Launch Platforms.
I have documented several examples of NASA referring to these three structures during and after the Shuttle-era as "Mobile Launch Platforms" below:
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/multimedia/mobile_platform.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/nov/HQ_04384_SRB.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/multimedia/120_rolloutgallery.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/multimedia/sts117_rollout-gallery2.html
- https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2004/04-285.html
Here are some examples of third-party organizations calling them by that name:
- https://www.space.com/22482-nasa-mobile-launch-platforms.html
- https://gizmodo.com/nasa-to-sell-giant-shuttle-launch-platforms-wont-help-1189413348
- https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/features/omega-partnerships-support-kennedy-space-centers-and-air-forces-vision-for-space-coast
The ngrams data also clearly shows that "Mobile Launch Platform" is in wider use than "Mobile Launcher Platform."
Given these facts, I believe a move to "Mobile Launch Platform" is the correct action to take, as it's more in-line with Wikipedia's name policy. - Jadebenn ( talk)
- No offence. WP:BRD and all that. You were bold, I reverted (the edits, and maybe the page names soon), now we're discussing. As I've requested a revert of the page moves, an admin will likely move them back and there will be a formal discussion of what the names should be. At the end of that, the outcome will be implemented and there is usually no going back. As for the articles themselves, I reverted the name changes because they were uncited. Wikipedia requires WP:RELIABLE references for any claims that it makes and you gave none. The few references already in the articles that described the formal names and the history of them supported the original names. You could edit the articles again, with better references, but it risks getting reverted again and accusations of edit warring. Probably best to present your evidence in the move discussion, assuming that's what happens. Or perhaps put together a "history" or "nomenclature" section at Mobile Launcher Platform to fully document things? Lithopsian ( talk) 22:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
- I have withdrawn my objection to moving the articles back to their original name. Once that has occurred I'll put together a formal move request for:
- Part of my reasoning is that the current article may be miscapitalized (it may be more correct to use "Mobile launch platform" or "Mobile launcher platform"), and irrespective of the decision on the name itself, the debate on capitalization should definitely occur somewhere a consensus can be reached. - Jadebenn ( talk) 01:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- @ Lithopsian: I have gone ahead and created a formal move request. - Jadebenn ( talk) 01:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mobile Launcher Platform which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 01:46, 24 November 2019 (UTC)