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There is no country called "West Bank." Who administers the territory in question? Is it on land that Israel won in a defensive war against Jordan and which Jordan ceded control? Wouldn't it be "Israel" until it becomes something else? Doesn't the description of the location make it clear it is in the West Bank?
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The West Bank, a part of Palesintian Occupied Territories. 86.186.60.250 ( talk) 12:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Including the following summary of international law is excessive in an article describing the characteristics of a single settlement among Israel's 100 settlements. Including this long diatribe rather than simply linking to the wiki article on the subject is an abuse of wiki's NPOV policy. Jdkag ( talk) 18:49, 15 April 2012 (UTC) Like all Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories, Mitzpe Shalem is considered illegal under international law, though Israeli disputes this. The international community considers Israeli settlements to violate the Fourth Geneva Convention's prohibition on the transfer of an occupying power's civilian population into occupied territory. Israeli government counters this by contending that the Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to the Palestinian territories because they were not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state. [1] This view has been rejected on the basis of an interpretation of rulings by the International Court of Justice and the International Committee of the Red Cross, [2] on Israel's West Bank barrier, though the rulings do not actually comment on any settlements themselves.
Mitzpe Shalem residents have been carrying on with the peaceful existence of their community for more than 40 years, far from any occupied Arab community that could feel oppressed or impinged by their activities mentioned in this article. Unfortunately, the anti-Israeli view is that if anti-Israeli propaganda is not over the top, in-your-face, then the article is pro-Israeli. I thought I had suggested a reasonable compromise. The lack of willingness to compromise, that is, to co-exist with others on this page, reflects the Palestinian inability to achieve peaceful co-existence with Israel. It is the reason that Mitzpe Shalem will remain a peaceful illegal settlement for another 40 years or more, as a two state settlement could be achieved only if the Palestinians were capable, culturally and religiously, of compromising with Jews. Jdkag ( talk) 20:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC) By the way, I thought that my compromise was following the WP to the letter, whereas the current text does not follow the WP. Jdkag ( talk) 20:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
References
BBC_GC4
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).
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There is no country called "West Bank." Who administers the territory in question? Is it on land that Israel won in a defensive war against Jordan and which Jordan ceded control? Wouldn't it be "Israel" until it becomes something else? Doesn't the description of the location make it clear it is in the West Bank?
Tundrabuggy (
talk)
16:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
The West Bank, a part of Palesintian Occupied Territories. 86.186.60.250 ( talk) 12:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Including the following summary of international law is excessive in an article describing the characteristics of a single settlement among Israel's 100 settlements. Including this long diatribe rather than simply linking to the wiki article on the subject is an abuse of wiki's NPOV policy. Jdkag ( talk) 18:49, 15 April 2012 (UTC) Like all Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories, Mitzpe Shalem is considered illegal under international law, though Israeli disputes this. The international community considers Israeli settlements to violate the Fourth Geneva Convention's prohibition on the transfer of an occupying power's civilian population into occupied territory. Israeli government counters this by contending that the Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply to the Palestinian territories because they were not under the legitimate sovereignty of any state. [1] This view has been rejected on the basis of an interpretation of rulings by the International Court of Justice and the International Committee of the Red Cross, [2] on Israel's West Bank barrier, though the rulings do not actually comment on any settlements themselves.
Mitzpe Shalem residents have been carrying on with the peaceful existence of their community for more than 40 years, far from any occupied Arab community that could feel oppressed or impinged by their activities mentioned in this article. Unfortunately, the anti-Israeli view is that if anti-Israeli propaganda is not over the top, in-your-face, then the article is pro-Israeli. I thought I had suggested a reasonable compromise. The lack of willingness to compromise, that is, to co-exist with others on this page, reflects the Palestinian inability to achieve peaceful co-existence with Israel. It is the reason that Mitzpe Shalem will remain a peaceful illegal settlement for another 40 years or more, as a two state settlement could be achieved only if the Palestinians were capable, culturally and religiously, of compromising with Jews. Jdkag ( talk) 20:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC) By the way, I thought that my compromise was following the WP to the letter, whereas the current text does not follow the WP. Jdkag ( talk) 20:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
References
BBC_GC4
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).